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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: T.O.M. on July 10, 2015, 10:05:17 AM
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/07/09/michigan-judge-bullies-children-in-open-court-for-refusing-to-see-their-dad/
This is one of a hundred articles about this.
Now you all know me as the resident defender of the robe, the one who comes to the defense of judges who appear to be crazy, egotistical maniacs who issues rulings and decisions that appear to make little sense. So it should impact you when I say this in all sincerity...
This woman is an idiot.
I've been asked a few times to hold a teen in contempt for refusing to participate in a visitation. My standard response is to ask the lawyer or parent how time in jail is going to help a relationship that is apparently damaged to the point where the kid doesn't want to spend time with that parent. But to stick a 9 or 10 year old in lock-up for a few weeks for this is simply unconscionable. Even is Mom here is the bad guy, and has poisoned the kids against Dad, putting the three in lock up isn't going to fix things between the kids and dad. hell, ordering the kids to go to lunch that day with Dad wasn't going to fix it either. Looks like a case of a judge who doesn't like being told no and has too much of an ego to let it go.
Fire away at her, kids. I'll be over here watching...
[popcorn]
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Honestly, I want to know why the mother wasn't put in lock-up until the kids decide to have lunch with dad.
Seems to be putting the onus on the proper cause, if the Judge believes she's been poisoning the children against him.
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I do think Ken White hits the nail exactly on the head with this column. Do read it, it's very good.
http://popehat.com/2015/07/09/judge-lisa-gorcyca-doesnt-hate-kids-judge-lisa-gorcyca-hates-failure-to-submit/
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Whaddaya mean, gov't can't fix family problems? Are they not smart enough? I bet it is because we have not given folk like the good judge in the article enough power and authority.
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Honestly, I want to know why the mother wasn't put in lock-up until the kids decide to have lunch with dad.
Seems to be putting the onus on the proper cause, if the Judge believes she's been poisoning the children against him.
Also, the judge was essentially threatening the children with jail time if they didn't submit, including the younger kids which strikes me as nuts. That fact that they more or less did not says a lot to me. The 15 year old flat out saying he saw his Dad hit his Mother makes me think the Mother isn't just poisoning the kids (or at least that is not all of it).
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On another side of this: What is the recourse for the kids/Mother? Will a higher judge review this at all? How difficult is that?
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Respect my authoritah.
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On another side of this: What is the recourse for the kids/Mother? Will a higher judge review this at all? How difficult is that?
This. I hope little miss priss has her tenure as judge cut short. She does not need to be anywhere near a courtroom.
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On another side of this: What is the recourse for the kids/Mother? Will a higher judge review this at all? How difficult is that?
An appellate court can set aside her order, and can issue an emergency order. Argue Due Process, Sixth Amendment Right to Counsel, etc., request a release order and that the case be returned for further hearing. Now that the world is watching, Her Honor might proceed a bit differently (especially since she's an elected judge).
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An appellate court can set aside her order, and can issue an emergency order. Argue Due Process, Sixth Amendment Right to Counsel, etc., request a release order and that the case be returned for further hearing. Now that the world is watching, Her Honor might proceed a bit differently (especially since she's an elected judge).
It is California. Chances are if she doesn't step down or forced to from higher powers, she will be re-elected.
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She watchin' too many Judge Judys or somethin'?
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It is California. Chances are if she doesn't step down or forced to from higher powers, she will be re-elected.
It's Michigan, actually, near Detroit (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g09GtnWdBjc).
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Even if mom is poisoning the kids, why isn't she the one in jail then? My thoughts on the judge are neither civil, nor polite, so I'll refrain from going in depth on them. But I'm sure tall can use your imaginations to think of creative things I might be thinking.
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1st thought: Just because there are no charges pending against the Dad and he appears to be a stand up guy in the community, that doesn't mean he is a good father. The kids could have perfectly reasonable reasons, other than spousal abuse, to not see their father. In fact, the father's seeming indifference to the children's plight (going to Israel? Really?) suggests to me that there could be significant emotional abuse and neglect.
2nd thought: I agree that, if this is the mother's fault, the mother should be on punished. However, using her punishment as leverage against the children is not acceptable. If she is incarcerated for poisoning the children against the father, it needs to be clear to the children that her punishment cannot be altered by their behavior.
3rd: Being high handed and a control freak with teenagers is not even remotely acceptable. As an authority figure, the judge needs to be able to understand and work with rebellious teenagers. Her actions and behavior are not helping this situation, nor will they do any good when dealing with any rebellious and stubborn teenager.
Yes, she has the power to act like that. Yes, the teenagers should (and in many cases, need) to learn to respect that power. That doesn't mean it's going to work. All she's doing is pissing off a kid to a point where they will never respect her, anyone like her or authority figures in general. You treat a teenager like that, you create a monster and you accomplish nothing.
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Just wondering - do judges have 24/7 armed guards like POTUS?
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Just wondering - do judges have 24/7 armed guards like POTUS?
No. Maybe SCOTUS justices, but the rest of us are on our own. I've been asked to teach a seminar on personal safety next year because of this issue.
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No. Maybe SCOTUS justices, but the rest of us are on our own. I've been asked to teach a seminar on personal safety next year because of this issue.
I think you're safer that way honestly. I think the average, security conscious concealed carrier has better security than the average blissninny with accompanyment of a bored cop. We'd have to have North Korea levels of militarization/GDP to provide protection for any but the highest levels of gov't officials.
A better way of dealing with wretched behavior at this level is for friends/family/neighbors to simply give her the contempt and disrespect she deserves. Hopefully a recall election is in the offing as well.
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Detention order reversed. The kids are off to summer camp now. (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=deb_1436650358)
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Detention order reversed. The kids are off to summer camp now. (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=deb_1436650358)
The judge keeps making excuses for sending the kids to juvie, and it's BS.
Hell, the fact that the kids were willing to go to juvie rather than have lunch with their father is pretty telling that something is really wrong.
And while I highly doubt the mother is without sin (I'll bet she's trash talking the man left and right) I'll say again, there are a lot of legitimate reasons those children could have for not wanting to be involved with their father that wouldn't come out in court or be something he would be considered criminally at fault.
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No. Maybe SCOTUS justices, but the rest of us are on our own. I've been asked to teach a seminar on personal safety next year because of this issue.
I was thinking that - sometimes - application of the traditional "tar and feathers" would be quite instructive . . . but bodyguards probably wouldn't allow the ceremony to proceed.