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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: vaskidmark on July 13, 2015, 05:17:24 PM
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http://chicago.suntimes.com/nationworld/7/71/767528/pentagon-readying-plan-lift-transgender-ban
http://lgbtweekly.com/2015/07/13/pentagon-set-to-announce-plan-to-lift-transgender-military-ban/
http://www.stripes.com/news/us/pentagon-readying-plan-to-lift-transgender-ban-1.357765
Stick a fork in it. Within two years we are going to lose not only to the Dutch but to the French.
The only pride that will be left in the .mil will be when they march happily - joyfully - gleefully -
what's that word I'm searching for?
"Support your troops"? Not no more, sweetie.
stay safe.
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I get a little bit tired of (actually very offended by) people writing off or insulting the men and women who serve in our military, every time their benighted leadership does something stupid.
Can we not say stuff like "I don't support the troops"? =|
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I am betting some folks serving today, are planning to or getting out due to this as well and other things. I know one E9 that has already put in his paperwork, and several other service members that are waiting for the next president because they do not want Obama's signature on their papers
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So, what will be the appropriate salutation for a TG officer?
"Yes, You."
"Good Morning. Question Mark."
"Thank you, Sir'am/Ma'ir."
Or, practically, will all personnel be restricted to addressing others exclusively by rank?
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I get a little bit tired of (actually very offended by) people writing off or insulting the men and women who serve in our military, every time their benighted leadership does something stupid.
Can we not say stuff like "I don't support the troops"? =|
An apparent misunderstanding due to a failure to communicate.
"Support your troops" should have been "Support Your Troops" to indicate it is referring to the advertising/PSA wording. I had, in my mind, the intent to indicate that unconditional Chauvinistic support for the institution of the military is no longer possible. It was not my intent to suggest that support of the individual servicemembers should cease.
stay safe.
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So, what will be the appropriate salutation for a TG officer?
While taking note that you are avoiding reference to the rank insignia they wear, I gleefully look forward to the brouhaha erupting in the Navy/Marines when it has been traditionally permitted to address every commissioned officer below the rank of Rear Admiral/Major General as "Mister". That tradition was continued when they broke the sex barrier and I have not heard any gnashing of teeth/falling of tears over it.
Highest traditions of the naval service, and all that. Are you really going to mess with 230+ years of military custom that was carried over from centuries and centuries of British naval behavior. First they did away with flogging. Then they took away the daily rum ration. And now take away the possibility of the enlisted to avoid insubordination charges while expressing their insubordination?
stay safe.
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I've used the generic "mister" clause on a few female officers. Cranky they become.
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Mister just comes from master anyway, and anyone who thinks you can't call a woman "master" has clearly been severely squandering their Friday nights.
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No. The premise that a few transgendereds being allowed in the military will somehow destroy it is idiotic. Piss poor funding and leadership is a far greater threat.
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No. The premise that a few transgendereds being allowed in the military will somehow destroy it is idiotic. Piss poor funding and leadership is a far greater threat.
I would disagree. The British Army had truly awful leadership for centuries and was poorly funded throughout most of its existence. Yet, it managed to be quite effective imposing the will of King & Parliament. (Hey, that sounds a bit like the USMC...)
The Gaystapo and Tranny Auxiliaries are a sign of rot at the core of the institution. Anyone with a decent set of morals and tradition will look at .mil as not worthy of their sacrifice. There will be fewer quality and motivated men enlisting and taking commissions. Many that do will look at themselves as more mercenary professionals than previous cohorts. Time in .mil will be little more than a means to an end than an end in itself. Gov't and .mil will seek out warm bodies to fill the ranks from outside the USA, men who have no cultural affinity for America.
In the end, this may be part of the objective, as these new sorts will be more willing to shoot and kill Americans with whom they have no or little sympathy.
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I would disagree. The British Army had truly awful leadership for centuries and was poorly funded throughout most of its existence. Yet, it managed to be quite effective imposing the will of King & Parliament. (Hey, that sounds a bit like the USMC...)
Well it was a volunteer army but then punishments of being shot, whipped or sent away to rot in prison are a pretty good motivator.
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Well it was a volunteer army but then punishments of being shot, whipped or sent away to rot in prison are a pretty good motivator.
Firefly paraphrase/
"Last year's party was better."
"What did they have last year?"
"Standards."
/Firefly paraphrase
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Mister just comes from master anyway, and anyone who thinks you can't call a woman "master" has clearly been severely squandering their Friday nights.
Or they know how to speak English. Hint: what do you think "Mrs." stands for? It ain't "master."
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Mister just comes from master anyway, and anyone who thinks you can't call a woman "master" has clearly been severely squandering their Friday nights.
I thought you were supposed to call her "Mistress" ???
:angel:
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In the end, this may be part of the objective, as these new sorts will be more willing to shoot and kill Americans with whom they have no or little sympathy.
:rofl:
You really think the average politician thinks past the next election cycle, or on how to get a lucrative contract passed they can graft on?
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:rofl:
You really think the average politician thinks past the next election cycle, or on how to get a lucrative contract passed they can graft on?
It is not the average politician that implemented this. How many congresscritters have made trannies in the ranks a big deal? How much public debate? And no laws have been passed to mandate this.
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The Gaystapo and Tranny Auxiliaries are a sign of rot at the core of the institution. Anyone with a decent set of morals and tradition will look at .mil as not worthy of their sacrifice. There will be fewer quality and motivated men enlisting and taking commissions. Many that do will look at themselves as more mercenary professionals than previous cohorts. Time in .mil will be little more than a means to an end than an end in itself. Gov't and .mil will seek out warm bodies to fill the ranks from outside the USA, men who have no cultural affinity for America.
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Read some history.
Multiethnic empires have a way of slipping into the same grooves, time after time. Roman, Ottoman, Austrian, Russian, Han Chinese, and others used various ethnic groups to suppress others. Also a diminution of core nation participation in the military establishment of the day that coincides with a professionalization of the military establishment.
Not sure why some think the USA not subject to the same forces that shaped previous grand polities.
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For some reason popular culture has made homosexuality and gender confusion "cute". It's cool to support it, it is wrong to question it, discrimination against it will probably land you in prison in the near future and and it appears to be actively promoted by new policies.
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For some reason popular culture has made homosexuality and gender confusion "cute". It's cool to support it, it is wrong to question it, discrimination against it will probably land you in prison in the near future and and it appears to be actively promoted by new policies.
I suspect discrimination, however slight, against any BLTG LBGT BLGT GLBT...(oh hell, what ever is the correct acronym) will get one thrown in prison now if one has the offensive temerity to stand by your moral tenets.
My guess is that the Christian bakers that were fined $135K because they didn't want to participate in an event that was offensive to them would be imprisoned RFN if they stood up and said they will not pay the immoral fine.
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Recent news . . .
Family on TV with 19 kids . . . one of whom is a molester.
Wall to wall coverage of what Bruce Jenner did to himself . . .
Rainbow flags at the US embassy, and rainbow lighting at the White House . . .
Recent SCOTUS decision on Obamacare that ignores the law's plain language . . .
Court decisions that mandate bakers service gay events . . .
Now this. :facepalm:
Is it just me, or have media & government becoming one unending freak show?
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Our society and the way we have allowed it to degrade is the freak show.
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Read some history.
Multiethnic empires have a way of slipping into the same grooves, time after time. Roman, Ottoman, Austrian, Russian, Han Chinese, and others used various ethnic groups to suppress others. Also a diminution of core nation participation in the military establishment of the day that coincides with a professionalization of the military establishment.
Not sure why some think the USA not subject to the same forces that shaped previous grand polities.
I was thinking of some fairly recent history, namely of the repeal of the don't ask don't tell. There was much handwringing, people were predicting all sorts of immediate falling apart of the military. And then, nothing happened. I am thinking with this, also nothing much will happen. The sky didn't fall then, and it's not going to fall now.
As to the rest of it, what does that have to do with this? LGBT is not an ethnicity.
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Now this. :facepalm:
Is it just me, or have media & government becoming one unending freak show?
It can't be a freak show. Nobody is biting the head off a chicken. Although all the anurismic esplody heads I am certain will be coming soon might just qualify.
Question - if you slap the sword swallower on the back does it count as sepiku? ('Cause I'm thinking of some folks who just might swallow a sword while theit head is encased.)
stay safe.
stay safe.
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It can't be a freak show. Nobody is biting the head off a chicken. Although all the anurismic esplody heads I am certain will be coming soon might just qualify.
Question - if you slap the sword swallower on the back does it count as sepiku? ('Cause I'm thinking of some folks who just might swallow a sword while theit head is encased.)
stay safe.
stay safe.
Circus geeks FTW:
The billed performer's act consisted of a single geek, who stood in center ring to chase live chickens. It ended with the performer biting the chickens' heads off and swallowing them.[1] The geek shows were often used as openers for what are commonly known as freak shows. It was a matter of pride among circus and carnival professionals not to have traveled with a troupe that included geeks. Geeks were sometimes alcoholics or drug addicts, and could be paid with liquor – especially during Prohibition – or with narcotics.
Perhaps some enlisted/commissioned dude in the service could have his "re-assignment" surgery done live on pay per view. Maybe by a gay circus geek could help the surgeon. The Dept of Defense could use the profits from the PPV to finance other re-assignment surgeries in a self-funding cycle of PPV surgeries until the public tired of that particular diversion.
[It can be a tough row to hoe to stay ahead of Poe's Law.]
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Recent news . . .
Family on TV with 19 kids . . . one of whom is a molester.
Wall to wall coverage of what Bruce Jenner did to himself . . .
Rainbow flags at the US embassy, and rainbow lighting at the White House . . .
Recent SCOTUS decision on Obamacare that ignores the law's plain language . . .
Court decisions that mandate bakers service gay events . . .
Now this. :facepalm:
Is it just me, or have media & government becoming one unending freak show?
Here's another: I'm a justice of the peace in my state. Terms run concurrent with the term of the presidency (I suspect that's a coincidence, but I have no way of knowing). At my last swearing in, I asked if I would be required to officiate at gay weddings, and I was told that I would not. More recently I read stories (such as the bakery, and also the wedding chapel that was fined for not performing a gay wedding) that led me to be concerned. So I went back to my appointing authority (city/town clerk, in my state) and asked again. This time I was advised to lie.
They didn't outright say "Lie." They "suggested" that I simply tell same sex couples that I am not available on the date they want. Which, of course, won't work if I am approached by one half of the pair in an ambush, and not told about the same sex nature of the couple until after I've acknowledged that the date is available.
I'm pretty sure I won't stand for reappointment next cycle. I might even have to resign before the end of this cycle.
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Hawk, what would you "pronounce" them ???
Butch and dyke? Fag and queer ?
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Hawk, what would you "pronounce" them ???
Butch and dyke? Fag and queer ?
Pitcher and catcher?
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Regardless of your views on the subject of same sex marriage, why not go with what a lot of other marriage-officiators are doing in response to the feminist/sexist bs?
"I now pronounce you married. That'll be $25. Next!"
stay safe.
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Regardless of your views on the subject of same sex marriage, why not go with what a lot of other marriage-officiators are doing in response to the feminist/sexist bs?
"I now pronounce you married. That'll be $25. Next!"
stay safe.
Dad's second marriage was performed by a guy with an obvious pseudonym, as obvious as "Wolf Blitzer" would be in a war correspondent: Reverend Bible. :P
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Butch and dyke? Fag and queer ?
Pitcher and catcher?
Seems this place needs a name change. I suggest Armed Polite (except when it comes to teh geyz) Society.
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Seems this place needs a name change. I suggest Armed Polite (except when it comes to teh geyz) Society.
The irreverence here extends far and wide beyond sexual orientation, which should be obvious even with cursory research.
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Seems this place needs a name change. I suggest Armed Polite (except when it comes to teh geyz) Society.
If those of the LGBTUVWXYZ persuasion want respect, and not resentment, then they really should tell their friends on the left to stop with the scorched-earth campaign on anyone with a rational view of sex and gender. Your gey friends are getting the blame for it all.
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Seems this place needs a name change. I suggest Armed Polite (except when it comes to teh geyz) Society.
So ... what? Husband and Husband? Wife and wife?
Makes no sense, because those words have specific meanings, just like "marriage" used to have a meaning.
Enlighten me then :laugh:
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Regardless of your views on the subject of same sex marriage, why not go with what a lot of other marriage-officiators are doing in response to the feminist/sexist bs?
"I now pronounce you married. That'll be $25. Next!"
Because in the process of clinging to my guns and religion, I obstinately cling to the (apparently obsolete) notion that "marriage" involves one man and one woman.
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Because in the process of clinging to my guns and religion, I obstinately cling to the (apparently obsolete) notion that "marriage" involves one man and one woman.
Me too, except for the religion part. I'm plenty "sex positive" and I don't care if they want civil unions or whatever, but I didn't get "married" for any damn tax advantages. I did so because it was the proper thing to do, and commit myself to her and our future children.
At this point in time I regret involving the state in our relationship just on principle.
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So ... what? Husband and Husband? Wife and wife?
How about you just, you know, ask?
I'm with vaskidmark. Just do it. Is what you do considered a religious ceremony or the enactment of a government sanctioned contract?
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How about you just, you know, ask?
'Cause he knows he's not going to buy their cock-and-bull answer? Because he knows marriage isn't just some made-up stuff that's whatever you want it to be?
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How about you just, you know, ask?
I did.
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'Cause he knows he's not going to buy their cock-and-bull answer? Because he knows marriage isn't just some made-up stuff that's whatever you want it to be?
No, it's not whatever you want it to be. It's a contract defined by law and enforced by the government. It's whatever THEY want it to be. Churches can have different rules on it, which is where some people trying to get 'remarried' discover that the Catholic Church still considers them married, irregardless that the State of California(or wherever) has given them a divorce that's recognized by the federal government.
As for 'cock and bull' answer, I meant the whole 'what do you call each one'. That's a bit life finding out if somebody wants to be called Mr., Dr., Sir, Sgt, their first name, whatever.
It's not worth getting your blood pressure up over, because it's certainly more personal to the ones who want to get married, and thus they're willing to push further.
As long as they're both consenting, informed adults, why should YOU care about THEIR personal lives?
I did.
It probably varies by couple. *shrug* Didn't find out my last commander was gay until he introduced his husband at the change of command ceremony. I almost broke formation when the introduction was made...
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Didn't find out my last commander was gay until he introduced his husband at the change of command ceremony.
Just have to wonder which one of them ends up barefoot in the kitchen =|
=D
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How can you have trannys in the military when you still have communal showers? How is that gonna work? Are they going to Chapter out any woman that complains about the dude with tits showering next to them?
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I'm not predjudiced against anyone no matter what the heck they believe in or believe they are ....
whatever they are doing to the military really stinks - its like they want to lose the next war, ruin morale, and make the world safe for global despotism
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I'm not predjudiced against anyone no matter what the heck they believe in or believe they are ....
whatever they are doing to the military really stinks - its like they want to lose the next war, ruin morale, and make the world safe for global despotism
I don't believe that is there actual goal but I can't think of too many things they could do differently it I was.
While I admit my sample is pretty small as I've only known a very few of the trans types but every last one of them was mental case with a bag of -isms and -otics that would make a bag of worms look pleasant.
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Hawk, what would you "pronounce" them ???
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Something like "th-ehm," I guess. How do you pronounce it?
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Something like "th-ehm," I guess. How do you pronounce it?
/th(shwa)m/ - with no pause in the middle to create two syllables.
stay safe.
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Is what you do considered a religious ceremony or the enactment of a government sanctioned contract?
That's why I'm going to have to stop being a JP. A justice of the peace is a creature of civil government and, as such, has to abide by the law of the land in providing services to the populace. As a minister, in theory I should be allowed to follow my religious beliefs without fear of persecution prosecution.
If I become a notary public, that allows me to perform almost all the other functions I can perform as a JP -- plus I get (to buy) a nifty seal. But the JP appointment is free, whereas I have to pay a fee to become a notary.
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If I become a notary public, that allows me to perform almost all the other functions I can perform as a JP -- plus I get (to buy) a nifty seal. But the JP appointment is free, whereas I have to pay a fee to become a notary.
JP must be something different in your state. In Montana it is an elected position which presides over a court with jurisdiction over misdemeanors: everything from barking dogs to traffic offenses to "possession" offenses. The JP can sentence short jail terms and community service (but he/she doesn't get to hold court in a saloon and hang people ;) ).
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JP must be something different in your state. In Montana it is an elected position which presides over a court with jurisdiction over misdemeanors: everything from barking dogs to traffic offenses to "possession" offenses. The JP can sentence short jail terms and community service (but he/she doesn't get to hold court in a saloon and hang people ;) ).
Yes, it's different here. JPs can administer oaths, take depositions, attest to the authenticity of signatures on documents signed before them, a couple of other things I've forgotten for the moment ... and perform weddings. For most JPs, the only part they're interested in is the weddings part, and most run it as a for-profit business. I may be the only JP in my state who wasn't interested in that as my reason for becoming a JP.
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If those of the LGBTUVWXYZ persuasion want respect, and not resentment, then they really should tell their friends on the left to stop with the scorched-earth campaign on anyone with a rational view of sex and gender. Your gey friends are getting the blame for it all.
Ya know, "scorched earth" and "butthurt" are not the same thing.
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I'm not predjudiced against anyone no matter what the heck they believe in or believe they are ....
whatever they are doing to the military really stinks - its like they want to lose the next war, ruin morale, and make the world safe for global despotism
They are doing to the military what they would do to everyone, had they authority to do so.
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Ya know, "scorched earth" and "butthurt" are not the same thing.
Is it possible for you to respond with substance?
Thus far your contribution has been to accuse others of butthurt & tinfoil hattery, exhibit historical ignorance, and to whine about terms the LGBTBBQ community uses freely amongst itself (but were used by folk who are not presumably part of that community).
Oh, and in a constitutional republic, abridgment of constitutionally enumerated liberties is scorched earth--or whatever analog you wish to use for political violence. Freedom of conscience / religious liberty is the sort of thing that folk are morally justified in using violence to gain/regain/preserve.
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Yes, it's different here. JPs can administer oaths, take depositions, attest to the authenticity of signatures on documents signed before them, a couple of other things I've forgotten for the moment ... and perform weddings.
Around here, add official pronouncement of death to that. Always makes for an odd scene when you have 2-3 EMTs, several volunteer firefighters with various amounts of training in first (or more) aid, a couple deputies and troopers with similar training to the FFs, and some old guy who can barely put on a bandaid shows up to confirm that the pile of goo slowly being absorbed by a spill control barrier will not benefit from further lifesaving measures.
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Around here, add official pronouncement of death to that. Always makes for an odd scene when you have 2-3 EMTs, several volunteer firefighters with various amounts of training in first (or more) aid, a couple deputies and troopers with similar training to the FFs, and some old guy who can barely put on a bandaid shows up to confirm that the pile of goo slowly being absorbed by a spill control barrier will not benefit from further lifesaving measures.
I'm not dead!
I'm getting better.
I don't want to go on the cart.
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Is it possible for you to respond with substance?
I've tried. However, given the responses I get from you when I do, I don't see any reason to try any more. You will dismiss out of hand anything that isn't some form of agreement with you. Might as well have a chuckle.
You want to be oppressed, go ahead and be oppressed. To someone who knows what actual repression of religion is, you are a lot like that vegan who compares a pig farm to a death camp.
religious liberty is the sort of thing that folk are morally justified in using violence to gain/regain/preserve.
Gee, I think some folks a ways East of here will agree...
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I've tried. However, given the responses I get from you when I do, I don't see any reason to try any more. You will dismiss out of hand anything that isn't some form of agreement with you. Might as well have a chuckle.
You want to be oppressed, go ahead and be oppressed. To someone who knows what actual repression of religion is, you are a lot like that vegan who compares a pig farm to a death camp.
Gee, I think some folks a ways East of here will agree...
You could have just responded with a "No."
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I would disagree ... There will be fewer quality and motivated men enlisting and taking commissions. Many that do will look at themselves as more mercenary professionals than previous cohorts. ... Gov't and .mil will seek out warm bodies to fill the ranks from outside the USA, men who have no cultural affinity for America.
In the end, this may be part of the objective, as these new sorts will be more willing to shoot and kill Americans with whom they have no or little sympathy.
I am intrigued by your views and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
[tinfoil]
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I don't see any holes! (Except the obligatory ones for the gams.) Welsher! :mad:
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Just a reminder, while I realize some folks really really dislike homosexuals for various reasons, please use reasonably polite language and decorum. Besides it being polite, which itself is a pretty good thing, it doesn't help your own cause to not use reasonably polite language.
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She don't look like a nun.....
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They are doing to the military what they would do to everyone, had they authority to do so.
They are working on it....