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Title: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: Bogie on November 10, 2006, 10:28:50 AM
And Knopfler did the 5.1 mix for the DVD-A side of the disk...
 
I think it's actually 21 years ago... I remember it came out in Springish of '85, and I was in basic... Had it on a boom box one Sunday in the barracks, and my DI called me a wussie, because it wasn't soem heavy metal hair band that was big then, but that nobody else has heard from since...
 
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 10, 2006, 11:52:34 AM
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my DI called me a wussie, because it wasn't soem heavy metal hair band
It ain't what he called rock and roll. 

Hope that's not too obscure. 
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: mtnbkr on November 10, 2006, 12:31:27 PM
And Knopfler did the 5.1 mix for the DVD-A side of the disk...
 
I think it's actually 21 years ago... I remember it came out in Springish of '85, and I was in basic... Had it on a boom box one Sunday in the barracks, and my DI called me a wussie, because it wasn't soem heavy metal hair band that was big then, but that nobody else has heard from since...
I was in 7th or 8th grade. Smiley

Quote from: fistful of dollars
It ain't what he called rock and roll. 
Sultans of Swing.

Noooo, I haven't been listening to Dire Straits in the car lately...

Chris
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: BillBlank on November 10, 2006, 01:14:44 PM
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.

First CD (not album) I bought was G 'N R appetite for destruction in '88, the second one was Brothers in arms. Off to Amazon I go.
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: DJJ on November 10, 2006, 05:04:06 PM
They let you have a boom box in basic?
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: Lee on November 10, 2006, 05:12:33 PM
Great album.  I was in the 27th grade at the time.  laugh
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: brimic on November 10, 2006, 05:52:36 PM
Money For Nothing  is still one of my favorite songs, its even better as I get older. cheesy
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: Bogie on November 10, 2006, 08:01:44 PM
Our platoon had all of those nice little ribbons that they gave out tied onto our flag. ALL of them. I don't know, but I think we broke the curve on someone at battalion's training chart. We got ourselves a 4 hour beer pass about 3/4 of the way through too... Which pretty much went horribly wrong, but hey... Our smart guys helped the not-so-smart, and the PT crazies dragged guys like me... Heckuva team there for a little while...

And it wasn't that big a boom box...
 
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: zahc on November 11, 2006, 06:17:24 AM
I bought Brothers in Arms on vinyl at a thrift store for 3 dollars, apparently in new condition. What a great sounding album. It still distresses me that modern pop music tends to sound so horrible. It's no wonder people illegally download mp3s...I wouldn't buy the stuff either.
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: K Frame on November 11, 2006, 09:49:24 AM
god, I am so going to the music store this evening...
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: mtnbkr on November 11, 2006, 11:15:59 AM
god, I am so going to the music store this evening...
Hit the Tower Record in Tysons.  With their "Going out of business" sale going on, you'll save at least 30%, if not more.

Chris
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: K Frame on November 11, 2006, 08:14:21 PM
And I keep telling you that I'll gladly pay the 30% as the "staying the *expletive deleted*ck out of Tysons/Rt. 7 the closer we get to the holidays" tax.
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: mtnbkr on November 12, 2006, 01:01:31 AM
newsflash:  You live in NoVa, traffic is nasty around every shopping center and any significant travel route.  Holiday traffic hasn't even started yet.

Chris
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: Bogie on November 12, 2006, 04:28:41 AM
Something tells me that Mikey is one of those folks who walks into Wally World on November 15th, sees the holiday crap, hears the holiday crap, and commences with a screamfest at the manager over the spirit of the season...
 
Most music these days is mastered for radio or download. Which means heavy compression. Which means it sounds like crap.
 
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: K Frame on November 12, 2006, 08:21:14 AM
You have reading comprehension problems, Chris?

Note how I said "the closer we get to the holidays"?

Not "Now that we're in the holiday season"?

You forget one thing.

I've lived in DC metro for 16 years, and in Northern Virginia for 13 years.

I also commuted the Route 7 corridor, at various times over those 16 years, every working day for nearly 7 years total over that time, both in the early 1990s and recently, as well.

I know EXACTLY what traffic is like in this area, and I know EXACTLY what happens to the traffic patterns on Route 7 the deeper we get into the year.

I hate to tell you this, but it's a steady build up through the end of the year after the summer season is over.

Traffic on Route 7 will continue to build, and get worse, especially on the weekends, throughout the end of the year.

16 years ago you were what, worrying about puberty and pimples? Well, OK, you still are...  cheesy

But, since you're so enamored with the Tower Records on Route 7, please be a good boy, run down there, and pick me up a copy of the album.

I'll just go to the Tower at Fairfax Town Center out in Penderbrook.

Didn't know about that one, did you?  grin
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: K Frame on November 12, 2006, 08:22:06 AM
Something tells me that Mikey is one of those folks who walks into Wally World on November 15th, sees the holiday crap, hears the holiday crap, and commences with a screamfest at the manager over the spirit of the season...
 
Most music these days is mastered for radio or download. Which means heavy compression. Which means it sounds like crap.
 



You need something else to tell you something.

Whatever is telling you what you think you know is wrong.
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: mtnbkr on November 12, 2006, 08:56:39 AM
I know EXACTLY what traffic is like in this area, and I know EXACTLY what happens to the traffic patterns on Route 7 the deeper we get into the year.
I hate to tell you this, but it's a steady build up through the end of the year after the summer season is over.
Traffic on Route 7 will continue to build, and get worse, especially on the weekends, throughout the end of the year.
I'll just go to the Tower at Fairfax Town Center out in Penderbrook.
Didn't know about that one, did you?  grin
I've only been here 10 years, 6 of that working in the very area you claim expertise on.  I have no clue what traffic is like. Tongue

I've actually shopped at the Fairfax Tower more than the Tysons one.  Traffic's just as bad around it as it is around the Tyson's one and I think you're closer to the one in Tysons. Smiley

Chris
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: mtnbkr on November 12, 2006, 09:16:47 AM
Wouldn't want you to think I wasn't aware of ALL the Tower Record sites in Va...

20F 6200 Little River Turnpike (Duke St.)
Alexandria, VA 22312
(703) 256-2500

1601 Willow Lawn Drive #304 B
Richmond, VA 23230
804-673-6424
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: Bogie on November 12, 2006, 09:22:57 AM
Hey, Mikester...

Grin for a moment. It's a Good Thing...
 
Yesterday afternoon, I approached the manager of my local wally world, and asked the nice fellow where the Easter display was... I do NOT think he was amused...
 
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: K Frame on November 12, 2006, 11:47:19 AM
"Claim expertise on."

Yep, reading comprehension problems. Nowhere did I claim expertise. Only a slate of knowledge stretching back neary 13 years.

Yeah, working in the AREA, Chris.

I worked in the AREA of your office, to. I occasionally got down your way trying to find a back road to escape route 7, but I certainly didn't get that way every day.

To understand it, you actually have to travel it.

Given that your office is on 123, and you head for what, 495, most days, how often have you actually driven Route 7 WEST of 123, heading east.

As I said, I did every day for nearly 7 years, and traffic gets markedly worse along the whole Route 7 corridor the closer we get to the holidays. I'm not just imagining it, either. It's been written up in the Times, the Post, and a number of local newspapers over the years.


"Traffic's just as bad around it as it is around the Tyson's one..."

You are definitely smoking something. Traffic around the Town Commons is heavy, but it's not nearly as bad as the Route 7 corridor.

You can actually get onto Monument, West Ox, and 50 in a timely fashion. With the shops, car dealerships, service road along side Route 7, and multiway traffic on both the service road and 7, you can find yourself locked in a no-win situation for an amazing amount of time. In that area there are also no viable alternate routes. There's Gosnell, but that's often backed up solid from 7 all the way up to 123. You can swing up Westpark or Tyco, but that doesn't do you a lot of good as they both feed into International, which takes you either back to Route 7, or to the aforementioned 123.

Last year, because of a bad accident on 495 and a thunderstorm, the whole Tysons area was a freakshow. In order to get home I had to head west on 7 to Lewinsville, head towards McLean, swing down Idylwood, and cut through to Cedar. All to avoid Route 7.

Route 7 is a corridor. If you look at a map, you'll see that until you get inside 123 and down towards 495, you have hardly any cross routes. That's why the area is such an incredible bitch. The mall, 66, and the Dulles Toll Road have destroyed most of the cross routes that used to exist. With them gone, once you're in the funnel, you're toast.

And, given that since the early 1990s nearly 50,000 new houses have gone in along the Route 7 corridor... You do the math.

Around Christmas time, if there's even a hint of snow, or a drop of rain, it can take an hour to go from the Tower to 123, a monumental drive of less than 1.5 miles...

So did you get me my CD or not?

I'm trade you. Cubanel (no Jalapenos, sorry) corn bread and Cider Spice Cake for it.

Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: K Frame on November 12, 2006, 11:48:07 AM
Hey, Mikester...

Grin for a moment. It's a Good Thing...
 

What makes you think I'm not grinning?

See?

All teeth...
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: mtnbkr on November 12, 2006, 12:15:06 PM
To understand it, you actually have to travel it.
Given that your office is on 123, and you head for what, 495, most days, how often have you actually driven Route 7 WEST of 123, heading east.

Prior to moving out to Manassas, I lived in Ashburn and traveled to Tysons via Rt7 daily.  Sure, I took the toll road from time to time, but it sucks as much as Rt7 and I had to pay the toll for that abuse.

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You can actually get onto Monument, West Ox, and 50 in a timely fashion. With the shops, car dealerships, service road along side Route 7, and multiway traffic on both the service road and 7, you can find yourself locked in a no-win situation for an amazing amount of time.

I can get from the Post Office off of Tyco (I think that's the street) to the shopping center in question in about 10-15 minutes during lunch on a workday.  I've done it frequently.  Traffic's heavy, but it moves.

As for the area around Fairfax Town Center, it took me a good 20 minutes to travel from the shopping center where REI is located to Fairfax Town Center the other afternoon.  That's about the same distance as mentioned above.

Traffic sucks, but it sucks everywhere around here.  Rather than throw my hands up in frustration, I slip a Dire Straits CD in and drive (had to get back on topic).  I eventually get where I'm going.

Chris
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: K Frame on November 12, 2006, 08:41:54 PM
I gave you cake.

I gave you corn bread.

Did you give me a Dire Straits CD?

Welscher.

Trust me on this, Chris.

Had you regularly traveled Route 7 in the early 1990s, as compared to when you were in Ashburn, you'd think that you were traveling in another world.
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: mtnbkr on November 13, 2006, 02:03:28 AM
I gave you cake.
I gave you corn bread.
Did you give me a Dire Straits CD?
Welscher.
I gave you chicken enchiladas and a toddler butt whoopin' instead.  Cheesy
I could've given you a CD, but you would've gone home hungry.  The TBW was free.

Chris
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: Larry Ashcraft on November 13, 2006, 08:37:40 AM
We saw Dire Straits at Red Rocks Amphitheatre during their Brothers in Arms Tour.  What a show!  I can't believe it was 20 years ago.

I need to get that CD.
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: K Frame on November 13, 2006, 09:56:20 AM
"I need to get that CD."

Be sure to go to the Tower records on Route 7 in Vienna, Virginia.

You'll be amazed that there is absolutely no evidence of anything even remotely resembling an automobile within a 5 mile radius... Smiley
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: Gewehr98 on November 13, 2006, 06:15:20 PM
That makes me bring up a somewhat related question, Bogie...

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And Knopfler did the 5.1 mix for the DVD-A side of the disk...

I finally dug my older Yamaha DSP-1 and Natural Sound M35 4-channel power amp out of the boxes and added 4 more channels to my JoLida 502A/ESS AMT-1B front end last week.

I was watching the re-released Monty Python's Holy Grail DVD, and listening to it in Dolby Surround run through the Yamaha and two amplifiers. (The DSP-1 is too old for Dolby Digital 5.1)  Then we watched Pink Floyd's The Wall on VHS, again through the surround system.  Too much fun.  When I stopped the tape, the RCA patch box automatically makes the digital cable tuner feed the primary, so whatever was on that channel again came through in surround.

But what freaked me out was when I took my iPod, plugged it into the RCA autopatcher, and whichever MP3 songs I had loaded into it also delivered discrete Dolby surround!  WTF? 

I had never considered that record labels would also include Dolby surround tracks on music releases!  Granted, my Buffalo Springfield, Guess Who, and Led Zeppelin selections don't have surround data, but I was really surprised to see the majority of what I had in MP3 selections did!  So I then took a stack of my commercial music CDs and began playing them through the surround system.  Aargh!  Now I have to re-listen to my entire music collection and discover what I hadn't been hearing by listening to the minimalistic front two channels. 

So now I have to figure out when music releases started adding the extra data.  I figure around the debut of the first iteration of Dolby analog surround, about 1982, right?   

And I will be buying that re-release of Brothers in Arms, you damn betcha!
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: Bogie on November 13, 2006, 09:22:13 PM
Either that, or the processor synthesizes it... A lot like the old "Carver Sonic Holography" dealie did back in the early eighties (had a friend with one...).
 
Title: Re: Now Playing... Dire Straits Brothers in Arms 20th Anniversary Remaster
Post by: Gewehr98 on November 14, 2006, 05:30:00 AM
No, it's real Dolby surround. The Yamaha DSP-1 does synthesize a 6-channel soundstage to whichever ambience you're looking for, but only if you tell it to in the non-Dolby modes.  If you set the machine for Dolby Surround, the only parameter you have is the delay to the back channels, which I have set at the factory 20 milliseconds.  If there's no Dolby data when set for that mode, the back channels are dead quiet - Which is what I expected listening to music CDs before I was surprised. Hence my digging through stacks of CDs and vinyl listening for Dolby tracks I never knew were there.  grin

I remember the Carver Sonic Holograph and Magnetic Field Power Amps.  Pretty damned expensive piece of rig, there.