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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MillCreek on September 15, 2015, 03:48:07 PM
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http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/innovation/campaign-launched-against-harmful-sex-robots-n427751
Call me when the sex bots also learn to cook.
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Kathleen Richardson, a robot anthropologist and ethicist at De Montfort University in Leicester, U.K., is leading the campaign and warned that sex robots might come in the guise of children, as well as adult women.
"When I first started looking into the subject I thought, 'oh sex robots, that's harmless and perhaps these robots would reduce demand for real women and children,'" she told CNBC on Tuesday.
1 - a freaking professor of robot anthorpology? And they let it discuss ethics, too?
2 - projection much, prof?
3 - reduce the demand? Really? Who does she think are going to be the customers of these things?
Just one more reason to call and ask the doc to up the dosage and phone the pharmacy to deliver it.
stay safe.
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On the upside, having zealous moonbats like this one direct their energies toward combating issues that don't yet exist means fewer of them to screw around trying to manipulate our lives today.
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Googling those sexbot manufacturers gets real creepy, real fast.
I think it(sex bots) will in fact mean less people get in relationships. On the other hand the kind of folks that would buy a sex bot, we might not want in relationships.
I note that it's a recurring theme in a lot of scifi that robots and AI take up slots in the "Sex Trades". At what point will folks start agitating that the AI is being exploited?
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I just don't see the appeal. even with the French Maid outfit.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/innovation/campaign-launched-against-harmful-sex-robots-n427751
Call me when the sex bots also learn to cook.
I'd settle for just a sammich.
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I love the video of the 'bots falling over. I wonder how many of the people/orgs building robots program them to pick themselves up.
I suspect "sex robots" would have the same effect on society as pornography, or prostitution. Just another way of getting one's happies outside the bounds of a relationship.
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This one seems pretty "real"
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I note that it's a recurring theme in a lot of scifi that robots and AI take up slots in the "Sex Trades". At what point will folks start agitating that the AI is being exploited?
Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex had a few of these themes brought up, most notably Season One, Episode 3:
A series of android suicides prompts Section 9 to investigate the manufacturer, Genesis Androids. While Aramaki questions the plant manager, Kusanagi and a Tachikoma covertly hack into the plant's database to try to uncover any possible wrongdoings by the manufacturer. As it turns out, all the androids were of the same model, an obsolete product known as the GA07-JL android, dubbed the Jeri by its small but loyal fanbase. The Genesis Jeri-model android was popular because of the ease with which an end-user could modify it to their own specifications. While the plant manager half-jokingly comments that the Jeris have grown despondent because of their obsolete status, Kusanagi discovers that a virus has been inserted into the mainframe, probably by an end-user who had sent his Jeri back to Genesis for refurbishing, which infected other Jeris sent in for maintenance and compelled them to destroy themselves.
Section 9 eventually discover that the culprit is Marshall McLachlan, the son of the Canadian ambassador to Japan. After the embassy revokes McLachlan's diplomatic immunity, the team confront and arrest him, and learn that he had fallen so much in love with his Jeri that he considered her an actual person instead of an android, and wanted to eliminate the other Jeris so that she would be unique.
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Blah blah blah.
The day human's stop taking advantage of new technologies in order to get off will be the day I worry about the future.
"Look, I like naked women! I'm a bloke! I'm supposed to like them! We're born like that. We like naked women as soon as we're pulled out of one. Halfway down the birth canal we're already enjoying the view. Look, it's the four pillars of the male heterosexual psyche. We like: naked women, stockings, lesbians, and Sean Connery best as James Bond. Because that is what being a bloke is. And if you don't like it, darling, join a film collective. I want to spend the rest of my life with the woman at the end of the table here. But that does not stop me wanting to see several thousand more naked bottoms before I die. Because that's what being a bloke is. When Man invented fire, he didn't say "Hey, let's cook!" He said: "Great! Now we can see naked bottoms in the dark!" As soon as Caxton invented the printing press we were using it to make pictures of - hey! - naked bottoms. We've turned the Internet into an enormous international database of... naked bottoms. So, you see, the story of male achievement through the ages, feeble though it may have been, has been the story of our struggle to get a better look at your bottoms. Frankly, girls, I'm not so sure how insulted you really ought to be."
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I'm hardly shocked that an ethics professor takes an unethical position. I find sexbots to be creepy as all hell. Give it a couple decades and it probably won't be. Some folks will latch onto it, probably in an unhealthy manner. But the overwhelming majority won't. Professor is a nut. Yes, creepy folks will continue to be creepy and creepy folks will use new technology to be even more creepy.
I don't think banning sexbots or robotic companions or whatever will achieve any of the goals Ms Richardson wants. And there's zero evidence to support that it will.
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Modern feminism really takes root, especially the non traditional views of rape, and sexbots will be much more popular.
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The ironic/funny thing is that there's the potential for the porn/sex industry to do for bipedal autonomous human-like robotics what the porn/sex industry did for:
Film cameras
Small/portable film movie cameras and projectors
Home video recording and playback
DVD's
The Internet
And I figure there's always going to be people against the enjoyment or pleasure of others, just out of sheer cussedness. Someone on another forum opined that only prostitutes would really be opposed to sex-bots. I pointed out that there would be tons of people against them:
- People who are sexually frustrated, but don't find sex-bots appealing, so they don't want those who would to enjoy them.
- People who are sexually satisfied with an actual relationship with another person, and want those they consider inferior, due to looks, social status, social skills etc. to continue suffering.
- Feminists who will be opposed to the stereotypical female behaviors or apperances sex-bot users might prefer.
Goes on and on..
ETA.. I think we're only at the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the outrage and butthurt. it'll be the non-human sex-bots that REALLY piss people off. Furry dog-girl-bots, or a My Little Pony bot. [tinfoil]
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I loves me them sexy four inch high wheels on a wombot.
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The ironic/funny thing is that there's the potential for the porn/sex industry to do for bipedal autonomous human-like robotics what the porn/sex industry did for:
Film cameras
Small/portable film movie cameras and projectors
Home video recording and playback
DVD's
The Internet
And I figure there's always going to be people against the enjoyment or pleasure of others, just out of sheer cussedness. Someone on another forum opined that only prostitutes would really be opposed to sex-bots. I pointed out that there would be tons of people against them:
- People who are sexually frustrated, but don't find sex-bots appealing, so they don't want those who would to enjoy them.
- People who are sexually satisfied with an actual relationship with another person, and want those they consider inferior, due to looks, social status, social skills etc. to continue suffering.
- Feminists who will be opposed to the stereotypical female behaviors or apperances sex-bot users might prefer.
Goes on and on..
ETA.. I think we're only at the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the outrage and butthurt. it'll be the non-human sex-bots that REALLY piss people off. Furry dog-girl-bots, or a My Little Pony bot. [tinfoil]
You forgot people like us, who would make fun of them.
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1 - a freaking professor of robot anthorpology? And they let it discuss ethics, too?
2 - projection much, prof?
3 - reduce the demand? Really? Who does she think are going to be the customers of these things?
Modern feminism really takes root, especially the non traditional views of rape, and sexbots will be much more popular.
Jamis answered #3 for you.
Many men in first world countries are not particularly interested in women raised in first world countries. For the men who can not afford to travel to foreign countries to talk up the local ladies, this may end up being a sad, sordid substitute.
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the kind of folks that would buy a sex bot, we might not want in relationships.
[D]ogmush makes a very valid point.
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You forgot people like us, who would make fun of them.
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Oh yah, I feel like we're doing that just bringing it up. However, "making fun ≠ banning"...
Probably the nastiest phase of the argument is going to be over those who'll inevitably want an "underage model". :P
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What will we do when some guy wants to marry his robot?
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What will we do when some guy wants to marry his robot?
Some dude already married his My Little Pony.
And since an inanimate object can't be held legally responsible for signing contracts, I think it's a moot point. *shrug*
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Why go to all that trouble? Mine and I simply have an understanding.
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Some dude already married his My Little Pony.
And since an inanimate object can't be held legally responsible for signing contracts, I think it's a moot point. *shrug*
I don't want to turn this into another conversation about marriage laws. I really don't. But I am amazed at how blind we've become to what has happened in the past few years.
Sigh.
Saying that an inanimate object can't be party to a contract is as true as saying that a marriage requires both sexes. And therefore it is just as likely to be the new hate-think, officially anathematized.
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And once the sex-bots get AI all bets are off.....................
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Why go to all that trouble? Mine and I simply have an understanding.
Ah, friends with benefits. ;)
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What will we do when some guy wants to marry his robot?
Make a TV series out of it (ok, cyborg, but super hot Russian cyborg). =D
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I recalled this incident when I lived in Boulder a looong time ago, where a cowboy wanted to marry his horse. I was going to comment on it without documentation, but lo ! I found a reference to it!
http://www.npr.org/2014/07/18/332344999/colo-clerk-recalls-issuing-same-sex-marriage-licenses-in-1975
County Clerk at-the-time, Clela Rorex, recalls,
"One day I walked into my office. I was standing and looking out my window, and this horse trailer drives up and some media vans. This cowboy gets out. All of a sudden it just dawned on me: He was gonna ask for a marriage license for his horse," Rorex says. "My deputy and I were flipping through the marriage code like crazy, you know, 'What are we gonna do?' "
"So the cowboy comes in and asked for a marriage license, and I started taking information. I ask him his name and Dolly's name — Dolly was the horse. And I said, 'And how old is Dolly?' He said, 'Eight.' And I put my pen down, calm as could be, and said, 'Well, I'm sorry, but that's too young without parental approval,' " Rorex recalls with a laugh.
So would wombots have to be "aged" for 16 years after their manufacture?
I didn't realize it was that memorable an event, what with folks riding their horses into town and skiing to work in snowstorms at the time, but with the gay marriage thing nowadays, I guess others have brought it up, too --there are a number of search engine hits on it.
Terry
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http://www.iflscience.com/technology/defence-sex-machines-why-trying-ban-sex-robots-wrong
Why we should not ban sex bots.
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Fistful, it has to be able to sign on the "x" and uphold the contractual obligations.
I'm pretty sure the sexbots can't be programed to deal with stuff like being next of kin after death and making various decisions required of a spouse, or at least, not yet.
And by the time the sexbots can... I think the world will have bigger issues than people wanting to marry their sexbots... Like, skynet kind of issues...
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Fistful, it has to be able to sign on the "x" and uphold the contractual obligations.
And it used to have to be the opposite sex-bot. Do you not see how one taboo is as easily overcome as the other?
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The type of folks to buy such bots, at the moment, are the type of folks not at risk to be in a relationship or be in the position to change their views on genders.
20 years from now, might be a different story.
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Some dude already married his My Little Pony.
And since an inanimate object can't be held legally responsible for signing contracts, I think it's a moot point. *shrug*
Just because she's inanimate and just sort of lays there from the get go shouldn't mean they can't still get married.
Sent from my iPhone. Freaking autocorrect.
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And it used to have to be the opposite sex-bot. Do you not see how one taboo is as easily overcome as the other?
I predict sexbots with interchangeable parts. ;/
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Just because she's inanimate and just sort of lays there from the get go shouldn't mean they can't still get married.
Sent from my iPhone. Freaking autocorrect.
This! There's a lot of inanimaphobic microagression going on in this thread.
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I predict sexbots with interchangeable parts. ;/
I predict sex-bots that have the likeness of real world people. Either licensed/sanctioned, or bootleg. There might be copyright issues with your appearance or likeness. Famous people might have to produce sex-bots of themselves, whether for sale or not to simply to establish copyright on themselves. People might start scrubbing social media for photos and audio/video of their intended target and have some place make a custom copy.
I further predict non human sex-bots, fantasy creatures, and replica real-world animals, and then a thorny legal issue of sex-bots depicting underage people.
Oh, and all the same for virtual reality, which might actually come faster, or negate the need for a physical bot altogether should the haptic feedback technology or direct neural stimulation improve.
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^^^So I could have my very own T'Pol, from Enterprise? Hmmm.
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^^^So I could have my very own T'Pol, from Enterprise? Hmmm.
I hear there's a sale on Kes 'bots.
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Late to this party, but I read the title as 'Join the campaign against box sets!'
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^^^So I could have my very own T'Pol, from Enterprise? Hmmm.
Yeah, at least until the lawyers from Jolene Balock and Paramount kick down your door and serve you with a DCMA subpoena, plus parallel suits naming you in infringement of copyright and trade-dress, and emotional damage to poor Jolene.
All because you bought the counterfit bot from AliBaba and made the mistake of updating her character set and KSF.cfg (Kama-Sutra File... as they'll come to be known) from am old copy that didn't have all the old corporate spy ware stripped out.
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Yeah, at least until the lawyers from Jolene Balock and Paramount kick down your door and serve you with a DCMA subpoena, plus parallel suits naming you in infringement of copyright and trade-dress, and emotional damage to poor Jolene.
All because you bought the counterfit bot from AliBaba and made the mistake of updating her character set and KSF.cfg (Kama-Sutra File... as they'll come to be known) from am old copy that didn't have all the old corporate spy ware stripped out.
That's not so far-fetched. A local scumbag lawyer -- not redundant, he stood out among scumbags -- who made a name for himself suing people under DCMA for illegally downloaded porn. I think the way it worked was he would offer to quietly settle out of court for $$$$$ (extortion, basically)
Look up "Prenda Law"
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Looking at this, and her other postings and projects she's done, I think she already might consider herself a sexbot...
http://m.imgur.com/a/c4WNF
If she could clean guns, help with the more mundane parts of brass prep and reloading I might be interested.
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Looking at this, and her other postings and projects she's done, I think she already might consider herself a sexbot...
http://m.imgur.com/a/c4WNF
If she could clean guns, help with the more mundane parts of brass prep and reloading I might be interested.
Jamis will be in his bunk.
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Fistful, it has to be able to sign on the "x" and uphold the contractual obligations.
I'm pretty sure the sexbots can't be programed to deal with stuff like being next of kin after death and making various decisions required of a spouse, or at least, not yet.
And by the time the sexbots can... I think the world will have bigger issues than people wanting to marry their sexbots... Like, skynet kind of issues...
I don't want to get into the legalities of "next of kin" as a limited power of attorney or committee or guardian could take care of all that icky stuff.
See? I didn't want to but some of you are going to insist I just did.
stay safe.
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Looking at this, and her other postings and projects she's done, I think she already might consider herself a sexbot...
http://m.imgur.com/a/c4WNF
If she could clean guns, help with the more mundane parts of brass prep and reloading I might be interested.
Eh, known a couple ladies in that motif. They tend to be off the market in a hurry. And a waiting list a mile long if they come back onto the market.