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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Hawkmoon on October 13, 2015, 10:02:30 AM
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6688733/Brit-74-faces-350-lashes.html
Just sayin'
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I thought I heard a lot of those people do that there (in private). Who did he piss off?
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6688733/Brit-74-faces-350-lashes.html
Just sayin'
Sonicwall thinks that's naughty.
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I thought I heard a lot of those people do that there (in private). Who did he piss off?
That was his mistake. It was in his car. If he had kept it behind closed doors he would have been fine. My guess is he was actually selling it to others and got lucky he didn't get a worse sentence.
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Whatever went down, the idjit had worked there for TWENTY-FIVE YEARS. It ain't like he didn't know the Saudis don't like booze.
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Whatever went down, the idjit had worked there for TWENTY-FIVE YEARS. It ain't like he didn't know the Saudis don't like booze.
This right here ^^^^.
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That was his mistake. It was in his carboat. If he had kept it behind closed doors he would have been fine. My guess is he was actually selling it to others and got lucky he didn't get a worse sentence.
Do stupid things, win stupid prizes.
Of course he might have the lashes administered the same as the Thais did* to some old foreign geezer who "might" have been misunderstood when he said something that "might" have insulted the king (like I just did by not capitalizing the 'k'). 100 lashes administered 5 at a time, with a day off between lashings. Stretched the geezer out on a table, brought the rattan cane down from full overhead solely by the power of gravity.
Then they confiscated everything he owned except the clothes on his back and his passport and put him on the first plane heading in the general direction of home.
stay safe.
* - I somehow doubt it.
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^^^^^Where did you get boat?
Karl, who has seven grandchildren, was arrested in Jeddah on August 25 last year after bottles of home-made wine were found in his car boot.
UK term for car trunk.
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Boot, not Boat.
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Das Boot?
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^^^^^Where did you get boat?
UK term for car trunk.
From my Presbyterian eyes. Might need to get the prescription checked.
stay safe.
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Be a great time for every foreign oil worker to just up and leave.
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From my Presbyterian eyes. Might need to get the prescription checked.
stay safe.
Sorry, I forgot you were on the feasibility committee for dirt. :)
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You go to a foreign country, you are bound by their laws. Break those laws, pay the punishment. Always drives me nuts when you see people on TV complaining because their loved one got busted breaking the law in Iran or somewhere, got the book thrown at them in accordance with their laws, and complain about how this is unfair, and their loved one shouldn't be punished that way. We do the same thing to foreign citizens who break laws here. Why shouldn't they?
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You go to a foreign country, you are bound by their laws. Break those laws, pay the punishment. Always drives me nuts when you see people on TV complaining because their loved one got busted breaking the law in Iran or somewhere, got the book thrown at them in accordance with their laws, and complain about how this is unfair, and their loved one shouldn't be punished that way. We do the same thing to most foreign citizens who break laws here. Why shouldn't they?
FIFY
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Don't get me wrong, I agree that stupid laws are stupid. But you're a complete retard if you play stupid games in certain countries. I wouldn't touch an ounce of booze outside of designated safe zones in any of the more repressive Arabic countries. Even then I'd be leery. They very clearly express the unwritten rules. Don't do anything in public, or else we WILL make an example of you.
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You go to a foreign country, you are bound by their laws. Break those laws, pay the punishment. Always drives me nuts when you see people on TV complaining because their loved one got busted breaking the law in Iran or somewhere, got the book thrown at them in accordance with their laws, and complain about how this is unfair, and their loved one shouldn't be punished that way. We do the same thing to foreign citizens who break laws here. Why shouldn't they?
I almost agree with you, but I wonder if you could point to a similar case in this country, within the past 100 years? 50 years? I mean, something equivalent to beating an old man (possibly to death), for a similar crime.
Don't get me wrong. What the guy did was out-and-out stupid. But we protest laws (and punishments) we disagree with in our own country all the time.
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That's the difference between the USA and many other places in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd World. The concept of prohibiting cruel and unusual punishment was a radical one from the git-go, and over the years the concept of what is cruel or* unusual has evolved.
In the worst jail/prison in America you are going to get fed a life-sustaining number of calories in a nutritious proportion, a bed all your own to sleep on, and medical care at least equivalent to what the folks on welfare get. In the best jail/prison in some other countries you are going to need an outside contact who will pretty much bring you what you minimally need to survive and pay enough money to bribe the keepers so that you get some level of protection from the predators on both sides of the bars.
Many other countries/cultures do not see some of the punishments they deal out as either cruel or unusual. And I'm thinking of places like Japan which is supposedly firmly in the 21st century as opposed to Arabic countries that are firmly rooted in the 7th century.
stay safe.
* - the interpretation of the 8th Amendment is fascinating as it has evolved from protection of cruel and unusual to either cruel or unusual. Back until the mid-19th century flogging was admitted to be cruel but it was not unusual. By the 1980s hiring out inmates as day laborers was unusual but not cruel.
My favorite story regarding these distinctions was the inmate who began all of his grievance complaints with "I have been subjected to cruel and usual punishment by ...." Told him that as long as he persisted along that line he had no case because he was only protected from cruel and unusual punishment. He never figured it out.
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I almost agree with you, but I wonder if you could point to a similar case in this country, within the past 100 years? 50 years? I mean, something equivalent to beating an old man (possibly to death), for a similar crime.
Don't get me wrong. What the guy did was out-and-out stupid. But we protest laws (and punishments) we disagree with in our own country all the time.
There was the railroad killer in Texas that got the death penalty. There have been a few other Mexican citizens on death row in Texas.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/27/AR2006062700983.html
I don't know if that fits what you are looking for.
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There was the railroad killer in Texas that got the death penalty. There have been a few other Mexican citizens on death row in Texas.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/27/AR2006062700983.html
I don't know if that fits what you are looking for.
Uh, no. The old British guy's crime is imbibing, not killing.
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"Religious" law that he broke.
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You go to a foreign country, you are bound by their laws. Break those laws, pay the punishment. Always drives me nuts when you see people on TV complaining because their loved one got busted breaking the law in Iran or somewhere, got the book thrown at them in accordance with their laws, and complain about how this is unfair, and their loved one shouldn't be punished that way. We do the same thing to foreign citizens who break laws here. Why shouldn't they?
In general I'D agree....but what about those cases where hikers "accidently" cross borders and get dinged for spying when it's clear that the charge is bogus and/or political?
Do you really approve of Mexico arresting a U.S. Marine for accidently crossing into Mexico with his issue M4 and being stuck in a hell-hole Mexican grey bar hotel?
There are two sides to this issue, you know.
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In general I'D agree....but what about those cases where hikers "accidently" cross borders and get dinged for spying when it's clear that the charge is bogus and/or political?
Do you really approve of Mexico arresting a U.S. Marine for accidently crossing into Mexico with his issue M4 and being stuck in a hell-hole Mexican grey bar hotel?
There are two sides to this issue, you know.
What about female Pennsylvania residents who accidentally cross into New Jersey with a gun in the glove box (and a PA carry permit)?
Oh, wait -- I forgot we were discussing foreign countries. Never mind -- just another case like the Marine in Mexico.
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What about female Pennsylvania residents who accidentally cross into New Jersey with a gun in the glove box (and a PA carry permit)?
Oh, wait -- I forgot we were discussing foreign countries. Never mind -- just another case like the Marine in Mexico.
That was no accident. She knowingly took the pistol into NJ. She just didn't know the law. Her bad.
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What about female Pennsylvania residents who accidentally cross into New Jersey with a gun in the glove box (and a PA carry permit)?
Oh, wait -- I forgot we were discussing foreign countries. Never mind -- just another case like the Marine in Mexico.
Eh, difference is, I'd argue what she did was not illegal under the Second Amendment and that NJ's law is invalid. ;)
I do respect the concept of sovereignty for countries. It's in no way hypocrisy to say a country has good or bad laws, but it's the height of stupidity to pretend they can't enforce said laws because reasons.
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Do you really approve of Mexico arresting a U.S. Marine for accidently crossing into Mexico with his issue M4 and being stuck in a hell-hole Mexican grey bar hotel?
He had his privately owned firearms in his car. If he had his issued M4 in his POV, he'd be in a world of *expletive deleted*it on both sides of the border.
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I do respect the concept of sovereignty for countries. It's in no way hypocrisy to say a country has good or bad laws, but it's the height of stupidity to pretend they can't enforce said laws because reasons.
I agree completely.
It's also the height of stupidity to be (apparently) running a gin mill in a country that is known for anot allowing consumption of alcoholic beverages. Especially if you've lived and worked there for 25 years.
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He had his privately owned firearms in his car. If he had his issued M4 in his POV, he'd be in a world of *expletive deleted*it on both sides of the border.
No, he was carrying his M4 and accidently crossed the border without realizing it. IIRC he even disassembled the M4 hoping the Mexican authorities would take it into account but they didn't.
The incident you refer to is a different, and in fact, a more recent one.
Both, however, are illustrative enough of the dogmatic application of harsh Mexican laws to innocent Americans who accidently run afoul of them.
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No, he was carrying his M4 and accidently crossed the border without realizing it. IIRC he even disassembled the M4 hoping the Mexican authorities would take it into account but they didn't.
The incident you refer to is a different, and in fact, a more recent one.
Both, however, are illustrative enough of the dogmatic application of harsh Mexican laws to innocent Americans who accidently run afoul of them.
I'm calling BS on this one too. Got a link?
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Not after ______many years. Look, if you don't want to believe me, that's fine. Either way I'm not going to become embroiled in a Internet squabble.
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Look. The Marine knew he was headed into Mexico and that there was no turnaround before he crossed the border. But he chose to continue moving forward instead of stopping, walking back to the USBP/CBP station, explaining his dilemma and seeing if there was anything that could be done.
Cause a traffic jam and maybe have your car dinged or keep going forward?
While in the midst of the situation it is often difficult to consider all possibilities, the most difficult one apparently being to stop right where you are and try to think your way through the situation.
It's a teaching moment.
stay safe.
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I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT INCIDENT.
:facepalm:
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Inside voice please.
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Not after ______many years. Look, if you don't want to believe me, that's fine. Either way I'm not going to become embroiled in a Internet squabble.
I'm not interested in a squabble, but I'm mildly curious. Was it this guy, or someone else?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/05/02/marine-mexico-guns-jail/8636079/
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I'm not interested in a squabble, but I'm mildly curious. Was it this guy, or someone else?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/05/02/marine-mexico-guns-jail/8636079/
Honestly the same thing as Fistful. Honest curiosity. Short of taking my rifle and booking it off base instead of turning it in to the armory immediately a FX, I can't see how that would be possible.
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I'm not interested in a squabble, but I'm mildly curious. Was it this guy, or someone else?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/05/02/marine-mexico-guns-jail/8636079/
Honestly the same thing as Fistful. Honest curiosity. Short of taking my rifle and booking it off base instead of turning it in to the armory immediately a FX, I can't see how that would be possible.
OK, I am going to (ONE LAST TIME AND I WILL USE WHATEVER "VOICE" I DANG WELL CHOOSE) try to clear up one thinmg.
I am aware of the case of the marine who had his own firearm(s) in his vehicle and got messed up at an intersection leading into Mexico and turned himself in, and wound up in a prison, to be released later.
I was NOT refering to that incident.
I was refering to an incident even further back. I do not recall how he wound up with his service rifle but I think he was on duty and possibly on some type of military exercise (which might 'splain the presence of his issue M-4, as opposed to say, a Bushmaster he bought at a local Academy Sports.
Somehow he becomes separated from his squad/platoon/unit/USMC/Boy scouts/girl scouts (what-the-hell-ever he was) and wound up on the wrong side of the U.S. Mexico border.... a dim memory suggests Texas/Mexico ...but I could be wrong. THIS guy was NOT driving a car. Or a SUV. Or even a tobogan.
Or even a little red wagon.
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Possibly this guy? http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12/18/pal-jailed-marine-jon-hammar-recounts-pal-last-day-freedom-in-mexico/
The fellow Marine who was with Jon Hammar when Mexican customs officials arrested him for carrying an illegal shotgun said his friend made every effort to follow the law, but got bad information from officials on both sides of the border.
Ian McDonough, 27, told FoxNews.com that four U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents told Hammar before he crossed into Mexico that as long as the required permit, which he completed, was submitted and he declared the gun to Mexican authorities, there would be no problem in bringing the vintage shotgun across the border.
"Jon was told to fill out a form with his name and the specs of the rifle and show it to the customs agent on the Mexican side," said McDonough, who was traveling with Hammar in an RV to Costa Rica, where they planned to hunt and surf. "I don't know what they expected Jon to do after they gave him the registration form and sent him on his way."
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As they made their way into Mexico in a vintage Winnebago after stopping at U.S. Customs in Brownsville, Texas, Hammar and McDonough were met by a Mexican official who told them to proceed over the bridge and into Mexico where they would meet a customs agent.
McDonough said Hammar readily told the Mexican customs officials he had the shotgun to declare and showed them the form he was given on the U.S. side.
"They told us to go into a building to fill out some forms," McDonough said, thinking they were probably going to have to pay a small fine.
But things quickly turned sour.
"I told Jon, ‘I think we are going to get arrested,’" McDonough said.
The two Americans were told to get in a truck with police, who took them on a 30-minute drive through Matamoros to the city jail.
It almost sounds like he was given the forms needed for his return to the US to prove the gun was not being imported.
He asked cops what the laws were and what he should do instead of doing his own research/getting competent legal advice. I know most people are not as well versed/informed as the typical APSer on firearms issues but still he bears a whole lot of the responsibility.
stay safe.
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OK, I am going to (ONE LAST TIME AND I WILL USE WHATEVER "VOICE" I DANG WELL CHOOSE) try to clear up one thinmg.
I am aware of the case of the marine who had his own firearm(s) in his vehicle and got messed up at an intersection leading into Mexico and turned himself in, and wound up in a prison, to be released later.
I was NOT refering to that incident.
It is NOT that important.
The better approach, with a bunch of know-it-alls like us, is to casually say something like, "Oh, you assumed I meant Tahmooressi? Mercy me, I thought for sure you'd know that I was talking about so-and-so. You do remember him, don't you? Bless your heart."
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...and I was picking, not to damned serious, with the "inside voice" comment. Looking back, I'm wondering if ya should consider cutting back on caffeine though.
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It is NOT that important.
Now, I'd never have guessed that considering the response to my first post.....but hey, I'm willing to forgive and forget. :angel:
The better approach, with a bunch of know-it-alls like us, is to casually say something like, "Oh, you assumed I meant Tahmooressi? Mercy me, I thought for sure you'd know that I was talking about so-and-so. You do remember him, don't you? Bless your heart."
Didn't I do that like, twice...or was it thrice? Silly me.
...and I was picking, not to damned serious, with the "inside voice" comment. Looking back, I'm wondering if ya should consider cutting back on caffeine though.
TTtthere's Nothing wrong withhhh my
caffiene levelzes!!!! :laugh:
OK, ok, I'll knock it off.
~~For now~~
But, PLEASE...if I say I "don't mean that incident," next time, trust me, I mean it. If I futz up I will admit it. :angel:
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All this reconciliation and I don't even get to use this:
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No harm no foul. Didn't mean to be condescending for my part either. I do hate the propagation of stupid urban legends as fact though.
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So which incident did you mean Tommy?
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So which incident did you mean Tommy?
[inserts earplugs]
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So which incident did you mean Tommy?
Funny AND obvious trolling. It's like the Groundhog Day effect, running right back to where we started.
[inserts earplugs]
bring any extra?
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Funny AND obvious trolling. It's like the Groundhog Day effect, running right back to where we started.
bring any extra?
Note: Posting things about politics you disagree with isn't trolling.
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So which incident did you mean Tommy?
The one I was talking about. :P :P
Seriously, at this point even Inspecter Lestrade ought to be able to figure it out.
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I tried several iterations on google and couldn't find it.
I did find this, though.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/11/01/mexico.border/
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Note: Posting things about politics you disagree with isn't trolling.
If you have a better term for re instigating an argument I'm all ears.
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Did we ever figure out who the Marine that disassembled his issued M4 and wandered into Mexico was and when?
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I almost agree with you, but I wonder if you could point to a similar case in this country, within the past 100 years? 50 years? I mean, something equivalent to beating an old man (possibly to death), for a similar crime.
There've been more than one case of Arabs resident in the US getting busted for holding domestic help they brought with them in what amounted to slavery.