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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on November 13, 2015, 03:52:07 PM
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While he has said some outrageous stuff already, he's now alluded to Carson's temperament being like that of child molesters. If nothing else, he should have learned that every attack on Carson so far has only made Carson's numbers stronger. He's been able to get away with stuff like making fun of Fiorina's looks, but "child molester" is one of the vilest comparisons one person can make about another.
He might have been able to get away with it if he was attacking the Democratic opposition, but I think this will cost him some big numbers. Maybe not with Trumpites, but certainly fence sitters.
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He already disparaged our prisoners of war, and that didn't hurt him.
And along with the pedophile comment, he questioned the intelligence of Iowans and Americans.
His supporters won't care. I suspect the people that go for Trump are those who just see any criticism as political correctness run amok.
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I don't know if he's done.
I am (and have been) willing to vote for him IF he's the nominee, but I don't trust him.
He hasn't changed that position one way or another.
He may be done, but I'm not sure that this is enough to do so. His current supporters may rightly understand it at just more Trumpean bombast and hyperbole.
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I dunno. I agree with both of you that his outrageous comments have not hurt him yet. It's just my personal opinion that the "child molester" comparison is pretty sick and crosses the line (or at least should) even for his more ardent supporters.
Regardless of my agreement with many of his points, I had and have no plans to vote for him even if he gets the nomination, because someone who gets his feelings hurt that easy and has to go for the teenage girl responses simply has no business in the oval office, IMO. I don't want someone that volatile anywhere near stuff that can level continents.
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I dunno. I agree with both of you that his outrageous comments have not hurt him yet. It's just my personal opinion that the "child molester" comparison is pretty sick and crosses the line (or at least should) even for his more ardent supporters.
Regardless of my agreement with many of his points, I had and have no plans to vote for him even if he gets the nomination, because someone who gets his feelings hurt that easy and has to go for the teenage girl responses simply has no business in the oval office, IMO. I don't want someone that volatile anywhere near stuff that can level continents.
I don't want anyone deluded enough to be a Leftist anywhere near the "nuclear football" yet we have had them, and will continue to have them as POTUS now and then.
As awful as Trump is or would be, probably the POTUS equivalent of Jesse Ventura as governor of Minnesota, it would be better than Bernie, Hillary, or Jeb! from avoiding both (some of) the Leftists, and the "Legacy/Establishment" candidates.
Although I'm kind of laughing at myself for feeling this way too... because arguably, that was what propelled Hitler to power, granted it was not the popular vote, but the fact that half of Germany was more worried about the Communists than the NAZI's, and the other half was just desperate for someone who was loud, forceful, and would "Stand up for Germany"... :rofl:
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I think he has all the support that he's going to get.
He has high negatives. As the other candidates drop out their supporters will mostly shift to non-Trump candidates and so while his percentage will remain the same theirs will grow and eclipse him.
This will enrage him and he'll go further off the rails and soon he will lose a lot of support. Maybe not the the economically ignorant blockheads that form the core of his support but the folks who like the plain speakin' tough talkn' act he puts on. Once they see that he may well be literally insane as well as a huge danger to the country if elected they'll back off.
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Ben, they don't care. The Trump voter simply doesn't care. So he kinda-sorta-but-not-really said that another candidate could be compared to a child molester, in a certain way. Trump supporters don't care about that. And like makattak said, they understand that it's just Trump being hyperbolic about everything, anyhow.
Were it some other candidate than Mrs. Clinton, I probably wouldn't vote for Trump. If it's her or Trump, though, I'd probably vote for him. I despise her more than Obama, so that's saying something.
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Hillary is still a viable candidate, so don't rule Trump out for his verbal diarrhea.
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As awful as Trump is or would be, probably the POTUS equivalent of Jesse Ventura as governor of Minnesota, it would be better than Bernie, Hillary, or Jeb! from avoiding both (some of) the Leftists, and the "Legacy/Establishment" candidates.
This, so much
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Hillary is still a viable candidate, so don't rule Trump out for his verbal diarrhea.
Sadly not just viable, but it looks like she has a large majority of the super delegate votes wrapped up. They're having a democratic debate tomorrow, and apparently half the news organizations didn't even know about it. The DNC is wrapping things up for her with a big red bow.
I'm not sure that I would vote for Trump (or several others in the Republican field) over voting a write-in, even with Hillary running. I'm just feeling about done with "better than the dem".
Though if anything would get me to vote "better than the dem (again!), it would be Hillary Clinton.
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Sadly not just viable, but it looks like she has a large majority of the super delegate votes wrapped up. They're having a democratic debate tomorrow, and apparently half the news organizations didn't even know about it. The DNC is wrapping things up for her with a big red bow.
I'm not sure that I would vote for Trump (or several others in the Republican field) over voting a write-in, even with Hillary running. I'm just feeling about done with "better than the dem".
Though if anything would get me to vote "better than the dem (again!), it would be Hillary Clinton.
Yep, another election of not voting for the democrat.
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Sadly not just viable, but it looks like she has a large majority of the super delegate votes wrapped up. They're having a democratic debate tomorrow, and apparently half the news organizations didn't even know about it. The DNC is wrapping things up for her with a big red bow.
I'm not sure that I would vote for Trump (or several others in the Republican field) over voting a write-in, even with Hillary running. I'm just feeling about done with "better than the dem".
Though if anything would get me to vote "better than the dem (again!), it would be Hillary Clinton.
She has to win the primary or caucus in those states first. I got a feeling Sanders may get a few of those.
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He's old and she allegedly has a condition and possible legal issues. Neither of them might even make it to the convention.
Helloooooooooooo Joe!
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I don't know if he's done but his tactics are screwier than Custer's at the Little Bighorn.
Attack Hillary, Trump, don't get so vicious with a fellow traveler.....you may want him in your cabinet.
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Attack Hillary, Trump, don't get so vicious with a fellow traveler.....you may want him in your cabinet.
Or as your VEEP
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Trump's stock just went up with nativists not possessed with deep thought. France proves immigration needs to be tightly controlled. Anyone who will not discuss immigration and take firm steps to fix it cannot be a candidate. Not that I believe Trump could ever deport 11 million, nor should he, but the build a wall chorus just got louder.
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Trump gets much of his support from folks who wan America to stay America and not become some third world dung hole. The worst ruling class this country has ever had has for the last few decades done its best to swamp Americans with immiscible immigrants. Many Americans have gotten fed up with their schools transformation into holding pens for the dregs of humanity while Americans pay for the privilege.
Also, those who see the damage "free" trade has done support Trump. Last, Trump has made noise about not socializing/nationalizing the losses of the financial sector, which has grown from having its fingers in 10pct to 30pct of the economy.
The first (and to a lesser degree, the second and third) are existential issues. If Trump or Cruz gets elected and actually addresses them effectively, we may avoid the consequences of making amelioration impossible via legal & political means.
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I had thought his numbers may have topped out. Until Paris.
Now with the deaths of possibly several hundred at the hands of Non-Native terrorists, the call to secure the borders is beginning to grow louder. And if not done soon may bring out the torches and pitchforks. "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" as spouted by the D's and Establishment R's is deader then Charles Martel. And any R that talked about NOT deporting them is sunk. No way will they get the nomination, which is why the establishment is panicking and looking to draft Romney. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: Which is also a deadletter. The establishment either needs to get on board with the rest of the party or they are done.
While Ted's plan doesn't outright say "Deport them all" the things in there will cause many to self deport and most of balance to be deported.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/260708-trump-rises-in-wake-of-paris-attacks
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I had thought his numbers may have topped out. Until Paris.
Now with the deaths of possibly several hundred at the hands of Non-Native terrorists, the call to secure the borders is beginning to grow louder. And if not done soon may bring out the torches and pitchforks. "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" as spouted by the D's and Establishment R's is deader then Charles Martel. And any R that talked about NOT deporting them is sunk. No way will they get the nomination, which is why the establishment is panicking and looking to draft Romney. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: Which is also a deadletter. The establishment either needs to get on board with the rest of the party or they are done.
While Ted's plan doesn't outright say "Deport them all" the things in there will cause many to self deport and most of balance to be deported.
All of that.
There are almost certain to be more 'Paris events' in europe ans the US during this election cycle.
While initially I really enjoyed Trump's message and his calling out of rino candidates for their wishy-washy hand-wringing stances, I don't trust him as a person. I have a feeling he's a democratic operative punking the republican base.
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Yes, I may need to reevaluate, taking my own bias out of the equation. If we have any type of attack here, especially if related to Syrians, or people posing as Syrians on documentation, that's going to be a game changer and I think regardless of his abilities, it will greatly boost Trump based on his rhetoric, regardless of if he'd be able to do anything as president or not. Though I'd rather see it boost Cruz.
At some point people who say the phrase, "radical Islam" may no longer be MSM pariahs.
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Yes, I may need to reevaluate, taking my own bias out of the equation. If we have any type of attack here, especially if related to Syrians, or people posing as Syrians on documentation, that's going to be a game changer and I think regardless of his abilities, it will greatly boost Trump based on his rhetoric, regardless of if he'd be able to do anything as president or not. Though I'd rather see it boost Cruz.
At some point people who say the phrase, "radical Islam" may no longer be MSM pariahs.
My step-grandmother emailed me the other day that the current administration is going to orchestrate an attack here on US soil so that POTUS can declare a State of Emergency and issue an executive order maintaining himself in the White House until the emergency is averted. He will draw blood from an "enemy," gaining support, and next thing you know, boom, he's the Emperor of the New American Empire.
As to the OP, I worry. Trump has always been out for Trump. What's his play here? Is there some hidden agenda, or is it all just an ego stroke to become one of the most powerful men in the world?
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My step-grandmother emailed me the other day that the current administration is going to orchestrate an attack here on US soil so that POTUS can declare a State of Emergency and issue an executive order maintaining himself in the White House until the emergency is averted. He will draw blood from an "enemy," gaining support, and next thing you know, boom, he's the Emperor of the New American Empire.
I'm not sure the military would allow that.
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France kinda sorta did that today by extending "special powers" for 3 months. :police:
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The U.S. Constitution does not contain any "special powers" clause that would allow the POTUS to declare anything that would delay the expiration of his term of office.
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I'm not sure the military would allow that.
And I'm pretty sure that a goodly portion of them would be willing to.
The "struggle" between field grade and above vs. senior NCO will be, to say the least, dramatic. Fortunately, field grade and above do not know how to lead and merely rely on the august majesty of the tin on their shoulders.
stay safe.
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France kinda sorta did that today by extending "special powers" for 3 months. :police:
Their "It's just a piece of paper" is different from the one we have. They have changed it more often than a runway model changes outfits at fashion week.
The U.S. Constitution does not contain any "special powers" clause that would allow the POTUS to declare anything that would delay the expiration of his term of office.
Lincoln came pretty close to that.
stay safe.
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The U.S. Constitution does not contain any "special powers" clause that would allow the POTUS to declare anything that would delay the expiration of his term of office.
THAT will stop Obama -- who has meticuously obeyed every subtle nuance of the Constitution since assuming office! ;/ [popcorn]
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A Republican majority in the Senate and Congress and 31 R controlled legislatures, 32 R governors, and 68 out of 98 state legislatures will hamper his plans.
And I think those numbers will increase in the next election making it even worse for him if he has any actual plans to do so.
He would have to be insane to even try.
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Yeah, that would cause a civil war. Even attempting it would be suicide.
And contrary to VA's opinion, I'm still in the contact with a couple of friends of mine who are at the tip of Field Grade. They'd be ready to go full-tilt boogie against the White House, and kicking some folks to the curb, should Obama try something as suggested.
The military hates Obama with a passion.
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Doesn't the officer corps skew heavily southern, conservative and Christian? Not Obama's biggest fan club.
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I seem to remember hearing the same crap about "W" except it was coming from the left.
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Yes, I may need to reevaluate, taking my own bias out of the equation. If we have any type of attack here, especially if related to Syrians, or people posing as Syrians on documentation, that's going to be a game changer and I think regardless of his abilities, it will greatly boost Trump based on his rhetoric, regardless of if he'd be able to do anything as president or not.
I stand by my original assessment: Trump voters just don't care. =)
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I seem to remember hearing the same crap about "W" except it was coming from the left.
+1, except exponentially nuttier. W would cause a massive hurricane that would destroy 1/2 the US and then declare martial law....
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Every new act of terrorism every crime against American committed by an illegal immigrant it's like as soon as trumps numbers begin to drop there's heinious act that drives them back up and drive people into his camp
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Fox News opines that voters are no longer looking for a presidential candidate but for a commander in chief who will get a handle on terrorism.
Could be.
stay safe.
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Fox News opines that voters are no longer looking for a presidential candidate but for a commander in chief who will get a handle on terrorism.
Could be.
I think I agree with that. Plus, someone who truly isn't a Washington insider, as opposed to a party apparatchik who just claims to be an outsider. Think how refreshing it would be for us to have a president who is owed more than he owes ...