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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Scout26 on November 13, 2015, 05:11:58 PM
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Reports of at least 26 killed in multiple attacks throughout the city. Hostages taken at a Concert. Details to follow.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/13/french-police-report-shootout-and-explosion-in-paris/
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CNN is reported 18 dead so far:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html
No word yet about whether drawings of Mohammed were involved.
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Rerfreshed the above (Fox) link and it went to 36 dead and over 100 hostages.
I bet this will be the tipping point where France (at least) goes zero to Jackboot, RFN. I would hope that the rest of Europe is witness to what happens when you accept invaders refugees who don't assimilate...
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I've read 45 dead =(.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11995227/Paris-shooting-Many-feared-dead-live.html
At least 40 dead and the attackers shouted "Allahu Ackbar!" as they opened fire.
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Also, like scout said, this will probably be the tipping point. The French deals with their problems with absolute ruthlessness.
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As I posted on FB. "Religion of Peace, my hairy white ass..."
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At least 40 dead and the attackers shouted "Allahu Ackbar!" as they opened fire.
Obama will be calling it workplace violence any minute now.
Bet the French are wishing they'd put more effort into being the top vacation spot for American soldiers on leave right now. They could use five or six for an incident this size. Maybe even a couple of Marines.
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I bet this will be the tipping point where France (at least) goes zero to Jackboot, RFN. I would hope that the rest of Europe is witness to what happens when you accept invaders refugees who don't assimilate...
Probably not. They will probably apologize to their invaders.
The rest of europe, with the exception of germany and G.B.? I think they are ahead of the curve in understanding the problem.
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Every time I refresh, the death toll rises. The Telegraph is now saying 60+ dead.
Seems a bit soon to be revenge for the death of Jihadi John. This must have been in the planning stage for some time.
The Europeans' reaction will be . . . interesting.
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Every time I refresh, the death toll rises. The Telegraph is now saying 60+ dead.
CNN too.
OTOH, I'll worry if the death toll starts dropping. Terrorists with pet zombies is pretty high on my "problems I may not be ready to handle" list.
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As I posted on FB. "Religion of Peace, my hairy white ass..."
Truth with that. Let's hope the frogs go full tilt boogie jihad to eliminate all Islamic people's
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I hope this doesn't spread.
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Hollande just announced that the borders are closed.
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So? There's enough militants already in the country to keep attacks like this going for weeks if not months.
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So? There's enough militants already in the country to keep attacks like this going for weeks if not months.
They closed the borders to prevent terrorists from possibly escaping. Atleast that's what was claimed.
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So? There's enough militants already in the country to keep attacks like this going for weeks if not months.
If not longer. And that's just Paris.
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Report just in that there over 100 dead in the concert hall alone.
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Religion of peace rides again. [barf]
Never a Martel around when you need one.
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Fox News now reports (unconfirmed) that the Syrian refugee camps are being set on fire by arsonists. If true, can't say I'll worry about them.
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Fox News now reports (unconfirmed) that the Syrian refugee camps are being set on fire by arsonists. If true, can't say I'll worry about them.
I worry about them, they leave one country where they are being killed for who they are only to arrive in a "western" country where they also need to fear for their lives because people are setting fire to camp because of who they are.
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I worry about them, they leave one country where they are being killed for who they are only to arrive in a "western" country where they also need to fear for their lives because people are setting fire to camp because of who they are.
True. Me too.
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Meanwhile, here in the Yoo Eass of Ay: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/syria-refugees-u-s-centres-1.3308576
And people ask me why I might think it's a good idea to carry a gun everywhere I go ... dang, I only carry a 1911, there are plenty if times I wish I were carrying a AR-15.
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I worry about them, they leave one country where they are being killed for who they are only to arrive in a "western" country where they also need to fear for their lives because people are setting fire to camp because of who they are.
Uh no. They had to travel through several muslim friendly countries to get to places like sweden and germany, and then it was mainly men who came.
Q: What do you call it when thousands of men between the ages of 17 and 45 come across your border?
A: An invasion.
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I worry about them, they leave one country where they are being killed for who they are only to arrive in a "western" country where they also need to fear for their lives because people are setting fire to camp because of who they are.
incentive to police their own? Harsh but true, the true refugees are being used as cover by the not nice ones.
You can't fight someone else's battles for them and that is part of the problem here. No it's not fair, and yes, they might not succeed, but the way things are is definitely not going to work either.
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I worry about them, they leave one country where they are being killed for who they are only to arrive in a "western" country where they also need to fear for their lives because people are setting fire to camp because of who they are.
Probably time to start policing their own. I keep hearing how 99.9% of muslims are peace loving, shouldn't be that hard to quell the ones doing this *expletive deleted*it.
And celebrating these atrocities doesn't make me any more inclined towards sympathy.
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Uh no. They had to travel through several muslim friendly countries to get to places like sweden and germany, and then it was mainly men who came.
Q: What do you call it when thousands of men between the ages of 17 and 45 come across your border?
A: An invasion.
Most of those "friendly" countries are eastern European *expletive deleted*it holes.
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Uh no. They had to travel through several muslim friendly countries to get to places like sweden and germany, and then it was mainly men who came.
Q: What do you call it when thousands of men between the ages of 17 and 45 come across your border?
A: An invasion.
AFAIK Syrians didn't have a say in having their country blown to hell.. and "Muslim friendly countries" might not be so friendly. AND... European governments could have protected their borders and said NO to mass immigration.
So what does that mean? On the one hand you have NATO governments destabilizing the ME through subterfuge and material support of terror groups, stoking the fires of war, and then on the other hand those very same governments fail to secure their own borders and allow their meddling mess to come back home. Seems to me the people need to throw out their rulers.
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Probably time to start policing their own. I keep hearing how 99.9% of muslims are peace loving, shouldn't be that hard to quell the ones doing this *expletive deleted*it.
And celebrating these atrocities doesn't make me any more inclined towards sympathy.
.1% of 1,570,000,000 is a lot of people and make it seem like a majority like number. 1.57 Billion is the estimated number of Muslims worldwide.
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.1% of 1,570,000,000 is a lot of people and make it seem like a majority like number. 1.57 Billion is the estimated number of Muslims worldwide.
Works both ways. That many more of their brethren to stomp this bullshit.
Not that I really think it would work, but if a tiny fraction is radical enough to do this, a larger one is complicit and happy to watch. (and celebrate, it seems).
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3317776/Machine-gun-fire-heard-central-Paris-police-flood-scene-not-far-Charlie-Hebdo-shootings.html
From the article:
The terrorists shouted 'Allah Akbar' and 'this is for Syria' as they burst in and opened fire, witnesses have said
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Works both ways. That many more of their brethren to stomp this bullshit.
Not that I really think it would work, but if a tiny fraction is radical enough to do this, a larger one is complicit and happy to watch. (and celebrate, it seems).
Naturally. Just as gun owning Michiganders are responsible for Tim McVeigh.
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Naturally. Just as gun owning Michiganders are responsible for Tim McVeigh.
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Complacent or feared for their lives?
Something could be said of the Germans in the 1930s and not stepping up to stop a minority fraction of their population.
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Good grief!
This attack on Paris is huge, perpetrated by members of a relatively small, closed off community. Don't tell me someone didn't hear a rumor.
When I say police their own, at least for the ones in Europe, that could be as simple as just informing authorities of rumors.
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Now being reported by Sky News as at least 120 dead in the theater and 40 killed elsewhere. There were 1200+ people listening to a band from California performing there.
Five shooters killed, apparently.
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.1% of 1,570,000,000 is a lot of people and make it seem like a majority like number. 1.57 Billion is the estimated number of Muslims worldwide.
Is there a single place in the world that you'd live in that has a majority muslim population? didn't think so.
Once you wrap your head around the idea that islam is not a religeon but a military/political movement, it'll make sense.
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Most of those "friendly" countries are eastern European *expletive deleted*it holes.
Why isn't Turkey taking them in? hmmm?
Greece is purposely aiding them and letting them through, that point I'll give you. Its their payback to the EU for the concessions greece had to give in order to be bailed out by the germans.
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Is there a single place in the world that you'd live in that has a majority muslim population? didn't think so.
Once you wrap your head around the idea that islam is not a religeon but a military/political movement, it'll make sense.
I would live in UAE or Azerbaijan if there were an economic opportunity for me.
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Why isn't Turkey taking them in? hmmm?
Greece is purposely aiding them and letting them through, that point I'll give you. Its their payback to the EU for the concessions greece had to give in order to be bailed out by the germans.
Turkey has taken a lot of them.
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I would live in UAE or Azerbaijan if there were an economic opportunity for me.
I've been to the UAE several times. Ok they are moderate, rich, whatever. The people are still racist and they don't like anyone not them. they will tolerate you as long as you are handy. Oh, and not many trees to look after either. :P
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Silver lining for the idiots in charge here. France enacted martial law including the right to confiscate weapons. With that in mind I'm sure some in government are hoping for an attack here.
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Is there a single place in the world that you'd live in that has a majority muslim population? didn't think so.
Once you wrap your head around the idea that islam is not a religeon but a military/political movement, it'll make sense.
Lots of western people enjoy Dubai =D
I think that it is a mistake to view any of this as a purely religious issue. One and a half billion people do not all think the same way or know each other for that matter. Sorry, but the problem isn't as simple as "because mooslim". Now if you want to blame a group of Muslims for all the bad things going on, I would take a hard look at the Saudi Royalty, but since they are officially allies of the US government, our attention is usually nudged in a different direction. Sure, Syrians are the problem ;/
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I worry about them, they leave one country where they are being killed for who they are only to arrive in a "western" country where they also need to fear for their lives because people are setting fire to camp because of who they are.
Maybe the problem is "who they are"?
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Most of those "friendly" countries are eastern European *expletive deleted*it holes.
In which, last I checked, they aren't shooting at each other (much)...
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Death toll now up to 150, and latest reports are that there were attacks in at least seven locations.
Meanwhile, our fearless intelligence community is hard at work:
At this hour, there is no credible or specific threat in the United States, according to a U.S. government official. An FBI spokesperson said the agency and the Department of Homeland Security were closely monitoring the unfolding events.
And I'm sure that, right up until the moment the shooting started, there were no "credible or specific" threats in Paris. I don't know which pisses me off more -- that our government thinks we're all that stupid, or that they're mostly right.
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Turkey has taken a lot of them.
Turkey has not "taken them in" They are in refugee camps along the border. Turkey has been moving them through to Greece partly because they hate Greece and also to relieve pressure on their southern border.
The "refugees" know which countries have the best freebies, which is why they want to head to Hungary, Sweden, Germany, Denmark, and the like. They don't want to stay in Greece, Blugaria, Romania, or any of the former Yugoslavia states, no freebies there, and they are hated. (See: Battle of Mohács, The Siege of Vienna [which is where crescent rolls come from], the Battle of Vienna, and the War of the Holy League/Great Turkish War. History is important in this part of the world, so there's no excuse for being ignorant of it.)
Plus again, the vast majority of these "refugees" are military age men. Idle hands and all that....
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Death toll now up to 150, and latest reports are that there were attacks in at least seven locations.
Meanwhile, our fearless intelligence community is hard at work:
And I'm sure that, right up until the moment the shooting started, there were no "credible or specific" threats in Paris. I don't know which pisses me off more -- that our government thinks we're all that stupid, or that they're mostly right.
Topped off the mags of the 1911's and Sig P227. AR mags are already filled. Given that Wheaton is Born Again Christian Central, I would not be surprised if they tried *expletive deleted*it here.
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Uh no. They had to travel through several muslim friendly countries to get to places like sweden and germany, and then it was mainly men who came.
Q: What do you call it when thousands of men between the ages of 17 and 45 come across your border?
A: An invasion.
This
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Lots of western people enjoy Dubai =D
I think that it is a mistake to view any of this as a purely religious issue. One and a half billion people do not all think the same way or know each other for that matter. Sorry, but the problem isn't as simple as "because mooslim". Now if you want to blame a group of Muslims for all the bad things going on, I would take a hard look at the Saudi Royalty, but since they are officially allies of the US government, our attention is usually nudged in a different direction. Sure, Syrians are the problem ;/
*expletive deleted*ck dubai and the people who patronize it. Its a modern center of slavery.
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Let's not forget...
This morning our prescient commander in chief said that ISIS is contained and decapitated...
I feel better already.
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Turkey has not "taken them in" They are in refugee camps along the border. Turkey has been moving them through to Greece partly because they hate Greece and also to relieve pressure on their southern border.
The "refugees" know which countries have the best freebies, which is why they want to head to Hungary, Sweden, Germany, Denmark, and the like. They don't want to stay in Greece, Blugaria, Romania, or any of the former Yugoslavia states, no freebies there, and they are hated. (See: Battle of Mohács, The Siege of Vienna [which is where crescent rolls come from], the Battle of Vienna, and the War of the Holy League/Great Turkish War. History is important in this part of the world, so there's no excuse for being ignorant of it.)
Plus again, the vast majority of these "refugees" are military age men. Idle hands and all that....
Wrong on refugees not staying in Turkey
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/11/turkey-syria-ankara-allows-refugees-to-remain.html#
No *expletive deleted*it on Muslims (or any middle easterners) not being welcome in the *expletive deleted*it hole eastern European countries.
All the news stories I have read or heard depicts refugees of all ages, not just military aged males.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/stretching-facts-on-syrian-refugees/
maybe lay off the right wing web sites and talk radio?
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I've been to the UAE several times. Ok they are moderate, rich, whatever. The people are still racist and they don't like anyone not them. they will tolerate you as long as you are handy. Oh, and not many trees to look after either. :P
Former girlfriend's dad ran a powerplant in the UAE circa 1997. He said anytime the power went out for any significant amount of time, all the Americans and Europeans had to go to safe rooms lest the mob that swarmed the plant take their frustrations out on them. Once the power was back on, it was like nothing had ever happened. The way he described it could have been a Twilight Zone episode.
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So? There's enough militants already in the country to keep attacks like this going for weeks if not months.
Indeed.
I worry about them, they leave one country where they are being killed for who they are only to arrive in a "western" country where they also need to fear for their lives because people are setting fire to camp because of who they are.
Only a small minority are Syrians fleeing Syria. The rest are from N Africa, Sub-Sarahan Africa, Bosnia, and other places. They are not refugees but "economic migrants" fleeing the dung hills they have made of their own countries for the land of welfare and free housing.
They need fear their camps being fired not becoase of who they are, but because they invaded someone else's home.
Most of those "friendly" countries are eastern European *expletive deleted*it holes.
Where they were not being murdered by ISIS & Assad or bombed by the Russians or America. Once they picked up from Turkey and moved west, they were no longer refugees, but mere illegal aliens looking to suck on the welfare teat of the west.
Wrong on refugees not staying in Turkey
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/11/turkey-syria-ankara-allows-refugees-to-remain.html#
And you just undercut your argument that these are pore, starvin' refugees. As soon as they leave Turkey and go west, they are no longer refugees, but invaders/economic migrants engaging in a volkswanderung.
Former girlfriend's dad ran a powerplant in the UAE circa 1997. He said anytime the power went out for any significant amount of time, all the Americans and Europeans had to go to safe rooms lest the mob that swarmed the plant take their frustrations out on them. Once the power was back on, it was like nothing had ever happened. The way he described it could have been a Twilight Zone episode.
They might have lots of oil money, but they can not buy civilization.
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Let's not forget...
This morning our prescient commander in chief said that ISIS is contained and decapitated...
I feel better already.
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So Obama is worrying about the JV Team now? [popcorn] :angel:
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maybe lay off the right wing web sites and talk radio?
Perhaps you shouldn't rely on leftwing websites for your proof to jump to your conclusions. Are you now saying that the BBC, Berliner Zeitung, Frankfurter Allegemaine, and Deutsche Welle are right wing ??
I may not be able to speak it all that well anymore, but I sure as hell can read it pretty damn good.
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Does it really matter if the fake refugees are a minority or a majority in these countries?
It doesn't take all that many to do what they did to Paris, relatively speaking, and as long as they continue to have the means to enter the countries in question and do what they are doing, this problem will not end.
This does not end well for either the countries that are being overwhelmed by refugees or the actual refugees, regardless of how many are actually Muslim extremists.
And yes, I do believe the actual refugees need to be held at least partially accountable for their brethren and countrymen. If this continues, eventually they are going to run out of places to run too simply because there is no place left safe from the people they are running from.
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I would live in UAE or Azerbaijan if there were an economic opportunity for me.
So the answer is still none?
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So the answer is still none?
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How many majority Christian countries would you live in?
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It finally happened, I was pesimistically waiting for an attack like this in France, I'd rather be wrong. Shooting in a concert hall and in the Stade de France and 4 other places at the same time, including suicidal explosive belts. We d'on't get any information about who, why and how, it is 08h45 now and no information other than on what has happened. This is not good and will end worse.
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Glad to see you're posting (and around to do so).
Being more familiar then us with French feelings right now, how hard do you think your government is going to be in response to this?
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If people are smart they won't let the government, who through foolish foreign policy and negligent domestic practices set up a situation that allowed this event, throw all their civil liberties into the flames and take away all their Rights, or what Rights they have left.
"They hate us for our Freedoms"... So lets git rid of them freedoms to be safe!
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I suspect that is pretty much what would happen here in the event of such an attack.
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Ah, the "Arab spring" comes home to roost. I'm sure we'll be next.
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How many majority Christian countries would you live in?
Honest question: do you consider Australia and/or the U.S. to be majority Christian countries?
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Perhaps you shouldn't rely on leftwing websites for your proof to jump to your conclusions. Are you now saying that the BBC, Berliner Zeitung, Frankfurter Allegemaine, and Deutsche Welle are right wing ??
I may not be able to speak it all that well anymore, but I sure as hell can read it pretty damn good.
Berliner Zeitung and Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung: I don't read German very well.
BBC
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24900116
This might be the paragraph where people are pulling the military aged male from:
http://www.dw.com/en/survey-leaves-no-doubt-syrians-are-fleeing-assad/a-18775789
Heiko Giebler, who managed the survey as a scientific mentor from the Social Science Research Center Berlin, considers the results to be valid. "The point is not the percentage," he said, "but the clear trends." The public perception of young men being the largest group of refugees in Germany has been confirmed by the fact that the majority of respondents claim to be male and between the ages 16 and 25.
Perhaps the 16-25 year old males are the only % of the refugees that can communicate in a 2nd language to the survey team? Maybe the females, middle aged, elderly and children are too scared to respond. Maybe the males stood up to protect the other refugees? Also if you look at the survey they want to be rid of Assad and just find peace and comfort somewhere.
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So the answer is still none?
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I wouldn't move anywhere unless there is an economic gain for me. Whether this be Wyoming or UAE.
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Glad to see you're posting (and around to do so).
Being more familiar then us with French feelings right now, how hard do you think your government is going to be in response to this?
Other than being outraged and sad as the population would be, the politicians put a lot of efford into saying we're at war now (with the islamic state) rather than experiencing a terrorist attack, which sounds a lot like preparing an intervention over there (Syria) which we really don't need now. Either the extremists are really, really smart or we're just really dumb in good old Europe: First we're under siege by a ton of Syrian refugees, than we have terrorist attacks which is bringing one more reason as if we needed one to go back to Syria: That's what I call a lose, lose & lose situation.
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Ah, the "Arab spring" comes home to roost. I'm sure we'll be next.
I recall discussing this with micro "ragequit" balrog and suggesting that busting off the lid that the average arab dictator kept on his population would not end well.
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Perhaps the 16-25 year old males are the only % of the refugees that can communicate in a 2nd language to the survey team? Maybe the females, middle aged, elderly and children are too scared to respond. Maybe the males stood up to protect the other refugees? Also if you look at the survey they want to be rid of Assad and just find peace and comfort somewhere.
And maybe unicorns lick ice cream cones with a prehensile tongue out of their fourth point of contact.
"To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle."
----George Orwell
Orwell, wise as he was, did not consider those that did not want ot see reality, but striggled mightily to not see what was in front of their nose.
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And maybe unicorns lick ice cream cones with a prehensile tongue out of their fourth point of contact.
"To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle."
----George Orwell
Orwell, wise as he was, did not consider those that did not want ot see reality, but striggled mightily to not see what was in front of their nose.
If I only saw what you see: It isn't white, male, American born, protestant and heterosexual it is lower than human.
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If I only saw what you see: It isn't white, male, American born, protestant and heterosexual it is lower than human.
Keep banging your high chair with your spoon and flinging your strained peas. Eventually someone will care.
Someone other than me.
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If I only saw what you see: It isn't white, male, American born, protestant and heterosexual it is lower than human.
Yeah, I think the French media has it all wrong- it was actually Christian protesters who carried out the attacks, again.
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If I only saw what you see: It isn't white, male, American born, protestant and heterosexual it is lower than human.
Acknowledge your privilege, roo_ster! :mad:
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Yeah, I think the French media has it all wrong- it was actually Christian protesters who carried out the attacks, again.
Q: What goes CLOP CLOP CLOP CLOP CLOP CLOP--------BANG!!!!!
A: Amish suicide carriage bomber.
(Still, I wonder how they managed to travel to continental Europe. Rowboat?)
Acknowledge your privilege, roo_ster! :mad:
Who am I to argue with evolution?
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And maybe unicorns lick ice cream cones with a prehensile tongue out of their fourth point of contact.
"To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle."
----George Orwell
Orwell, wise as he was, did not consider those that did not want ot see reality, but striggled mightily to not see what was in front of their nose.
True, and I'll tell you what is it that we are not seeing in front of our noses and that is Western government meddling in other sovereign countries sponsoring instability, and at the same time Western unwillingness to protect their own borders.
The enemies are within and I am not talking about refugees. If this was carried out by Al Qaeda, ISIS or similar responsibility falls squarely on US, UK and other NATO intelligence agencies, organizations that have been working closely with these jokers, getting them weapons, training, know how and most gravely, protection instead of taking them down..
Orwell also taught us about the use of boogie men in far off places to justify and perpetuate fear and perpetual war which of course enabled blind fanaticism and oppression at home "for your safety". Ring a bell?
This tragedy is is going to be milked for everything it is worth to get France and other EU countries into the charade (War on US-Saudi funded ISIS). The US government knows it needs all allies on board now that Russia has joined the mix.
I don't believe that people leaving the middle east are all "freeloading men of military age" looking for free stuff. That's just ignorant. Have a look at what is going on over there.
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Other than being outraged and sad as the population would be, the politicians put a lot of efford into saying we're at war now (with the islamic state) rather than experiencing a terrorist attack, which sounds a lot like preparing an intervention over there (Syria) which we really don't need now. Either the extremists are really, really smart or we're just really dumb in good old Europe: First we're under siege by a ton of Syrian refugees, than we have terrorist attacks which is bringing one more reason as if we needed one to go back to Syria: That's what I call a lose, lose & lose situation.
Invite the world, invade the world.
On Sunday, five years less a day after Saudi and Egyptian terrorists killed 3,000 Americans, the New York Times reported in More Muslims Arrive in U.S., After 9/11 Dip:
"In 2005, more people from Muslim countries became legal permanent United States residents—nearly 96,000—than in any year in the previous two decades." [By Andrea Elliott, September 10, 2006]
Of course, no foreign Muslim can hurt us here in America unless we let him into America. But the Bush Administration, instead of securing the borders, is ginning up another round of war fever.
Iran in 2006 is being compared to Germany in 1938
Instead of cutting off immigration from muslim countries and rousting those within France. Nice to know that France's political class is as foolish and mendacious as ours.
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True, and I'll tell you what is it that we are not seeing in front of our noses and that is Western government meddling in other sovereign countries sponsoring instability, and at the same time Western unwillingness to protect their own borders.
Indeed. You'd almost think our political class did not have our best interests in mind.
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I see Hollande has stated that the French response will be "merciless". This is someone who is generally pegged as an "it takes a village" left, socialist, progressive person. Yet even if all that is true about him, he still sees this attack for what it was, and he doesn't talk about "capturing and bringing to justice" as if they are civil criminals. He talks about retribution that will make the terrorists look for softer targets. If only our own Presidents of recent vintage (both dem and rep) were that hardline. "Understanding your enemy" is a bit different than "having understanding for your enemy".
John Bolton has a few good points on the attacks. I do disagree somewhat with his third point. I still value my freedom over my safety, and the personal liberty conversation would not be so much in the forefront if our intelligence programs focused less on being politically correct and more on intelligence, like, you know, profiling (not to include grandmas). Every person in the US is not a potential enemy or terrorist. We know for the most part how to profile for the most effect, but we choose not to offend people (unless they are "white, redneck domestic terrorists" - then we seem to have no problems profiling).
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/11/14/paris-attacks-important-lessons-must-heed-from-french-tragedy.html
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All I can say is thank God for my Uplula Loader and, even with it, my thumb is killing me. Well, break's over, still have a few left to go.
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All I can say is thank God for my Uplula Loader and, even with it, my thumb is killing me. Well, break's over, still have a few left to go.
Are you concerned about a coordinated terrorist attack in Smallville, LA?
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Nope, but why take chances? I AM just down the road from a large AFB with Nukes...
When I am out of the house I carry unless I am going to the VA Hospital (and that pisses me RTFO!). Here at home, "Lil' Brother" is very close at hand (at my feet in my bag with it's pouch open where access ts fast and easy actually) and the long gun is snug in the gun locker with its friends. I'm just rethinking my strategy and will be leaving the SUB2K out when we are home "just in case." This gives both Terri and I good firepower and a weapon each.
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Paris terrorist was a Syrian refugee, says Greece government official
A Greek government official revealed the man, who died in the seige on the French capital, had passed through the southern European country last month.
A passport was found near the body of the gunmen, revealed he arrived in mainland Europe from the Greek island of Leros, suggesting he arrived in there by boat.
Citizen Protection Minister Nikos Toskas, in charge of police forces, has released the following statement: "On the case of the Syrian passport found at the scene of the terrorist attack, we announce that the passport holder had passed from Leros on October 3 where he was identified based on EU rules.
Sure glad he was IDed in accord with EU rules, otherwise something awful might have happened.
How many of these jokers did Obama say he wanted to bring to America, again?
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Paris terrorist was a Syrian refugee, says Greece government official
Sure glad he was IDed in accord with EU rules, otherwise something awful might have happened.
How many of these jokers did Obama say he wanted to bring to America, again?
200,000 over the next 2 years.
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Are you concerned about a coordinated terrorist attack in Smallville, LA?
The one place I almost always carry is in church, in a little hamlet a lot smaller than Smallville. It's not that I think anything is going to happen, but if it does there is only one exit and we'll have to shoot our way out or everybody dies.
Right after that church shooting in... Charleston, was it? a slightly grungy stranger came in halfway thru the church service (he heard almost all the sermon) and sat on the back row. He ducked out real fast at the end before I got a chance to greet him. My wife said later that when he came in she wondered "what if he was a terrorist or lunatic?" I told her I was sitting behind him to the left (at the soundboard) and I had him covered -- and I *didnt* think about it because I thought about it ahead of time, months ago, and was prepared.
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The one place I almost always carry is in church, in a little hamlet a lot smaller than Smallville. It's not that I think anything is going to happen, but if it does there is only one exit and we'll have to shoot our way out or everybody dies.
Right after that church shooting in... Charleston, was it? a slightly grungy stranger came in halfway thru the church service (he heard almost all the sermon) and sat on the back row. He ducked out real fast at the end before I got a chance to greet him. My wife said later that when he came in she wondered "what if he was a terrorist or lunatic?" I told her I was sitting behind him to the left (at the soundboard) and I had him covered -- and I *didnt* think about it because I thought about it ahead of time, months ago, and was prepared.
No doubt. What with Ferguson being ten miles down the road, and 7 churches being lit on fire in the area, we've been keeping a lookout, too.
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Honest question: do you consider Australia and/or the U.S. to be majority Christian countries?
No, which was sort of my point. Most people don't want to live in any deeply religious place.
Why would ISIS attack the US? It's senseless to worry - the US is their main ally against Assad and Russia. They won't be attacking us any time soon.
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No, which was sort of my point. Most people don't want to live in any deeply religious place.
Why would ISIS attack the US? It's senseless to worry - the US is their main ally against Assad and Russia. They won't be attacking us any time soon.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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No, which was sort of my point. Most people don't want to live in any deeply religious place.
Most people don't want to be deeply religious.
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No, which was sort of my point. Most people don't want to live in any deeply religious place.
Why would ISIS attack the US? It's senseless to worry - the US is their main ally against Assad and Russia. They won't be attacking us any time soon.
That's literally delusional. You may want to get a doctor to check that out... =|
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On a less contentious note: the U.S. Army football team took the field today, displaying Old Glory and the French tri-color:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/army-runs-out-on-field-with-both-france-and-u-s--flags--video-175451419.html
https://twitter.com/Gkatt_17/status/665576305082179586/video/1
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No, which was sort of my point. Most people don't want to live in any deeply religious place.
Why would ISIS attack the US? It's senseless to worry - the US is their main ally against Assad and Russia. They won't be attacking us any time soon.
I don't think we will see heavy attacks like what we saw in France. Maybe some isolated incidents.
But not because they don't hate us and want to destroy us. More of their limitations are that they just can't walk across the Atlantic.
I don't think ISIS is much on the logic when it comes to those they wish to kill. They just want to kill.
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They don't have to walk across anything. Obama is flying them in by the thousands on our dime.
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No, which was sort of my point. Most people don't want to live in any deeply religious place.
Why would ISIS attack the US? It's senseless to worry - the US is their main ally against Assad and Russia. They won't be attacking us any time soon.
"Them thar is friendly Indians!!" ~~ George A. Custer, upon arriving at the Little Bighorn, in a really old ..... "joke."
Yeah. ISIS is our friend. We've been sending them bomb bouquets on occasion as get-to-know-you gifts.
I don't know when/if they will attack us ... but if they can hit Paris, hitting Washington DC isn't that much harder.
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They don't have to walk across anything. Obama is flying them in by the thousands on our dime.
Yep.
http://www.walb.com/story/30428985/syrian-refugees-beginning-to-arrive-in-new-orleans
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That's literally delusional. You may want to get a doctor to check that out... =|
Have a look: http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf
ISIS has never hit Israel or the US - so long as we help weaken their main opponent (by giving arms and training through related Islamic terror groups) it's unlikely they'll attack.
Russia and other countries actually attacking Isis are the prime targets.
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No, which was sort of my point. Most people don't want to live in any deeply religious place.
Why would ISIS attack the US? It's senseless to worry - the US is their main ally against Assad and Russia. They won't be attacking us any time soon.
I'm not sure cold rational calculation is what drives them.
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If only someone could've seen that intervention against Assad in Syria would lead to this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10125455/Syrias-Bashar-al-Assad-warns-Europe-to-pay-price-for-arming-rebels.html
said: "Terrorists will train for combat and return home equipped with extremist ideology. For Europe, there is no alternative to cooperation with the Syrian government, even if Europe doesn't like it."
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Have a look: http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf
ISIS has never hit Israel or the US - so long as we help weaken their main opponent (by giving arms and training through related Islamic terror groups) it's unlikely they'll attack.
Russia and other countries actually attacking Isis are the prime targets.
The only monkey wrench in that theory is that Russia's CAS missions have for the most part targeted not ISIS, but the other anti-Bashar rebel groups such as FSA & Al Nusra, as those groups are the ones in closest proximity to Assad's strongholds.
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ISIS has never hit Israel or the US - so long as we help weaken their main opponent (by giving arms and training through related Islamic terror groups) it's unlikely they'll attack.
They usually wait a decade or two. See Afghanistan; Al Qaeda
By the way, Gaddafi also warned that we were providing CAS in Libya for what he assured was Al Qaeda . Geez, maybe we should pay attention to what these guys have to say, instead of listening to Dear Leader.
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Have a look: http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf
ISIS has never hit Israel or the US - so long as we help weaken their main opponent (by giving arms and training through related Islamic terror groups) it's unlikely they'll attack.
Russia and other countries actually attacking Isis are the prime targets.
As others have noted, ISIS simply doesn't have the power to make an attack on the US easy. That doesn't mean they wouldn't attack us if given an opportunity, and their rhetoric spells out exactly that.
This is like thinking a caged lion is friendly because he hasn't attacked you while you stand outside his cage. He doesn't lack the will, he simply lacks the means.
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Also if you look at the survey they want to be rid of Assad and just find peace and comfort somewhere.
Do you expect them to stand up and say, "Hi, I'm here to bomb your national football stadium"?
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They usually wait a decade or two. See Afghanistan; Al Qaeda
By the way, Gaddafi also warned that we were providing CAS in Libya for what he assured was Al Qaeda . Geez, maybe we should pay attention to what these guys have to say, instead of listening to Dear Leader.
Yes, wonderful foreign policy the last several years isn't it.
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I don't think we will see heavy attacks like what we saw in France. Maybe some isolated incidents.
I disagree. I think we will see heavy attacks. I'm not sure if they'll be coordinated, like in Paris, or a series of seemingly isolated attacks, but I have no doubt they are coming.
What I am undecided about is
- Whether they will focus on large, well-known targets to make a statement, or hit smaller, less-known (or unknown) targets as a way of letting us know that nobody is safe, anywhere; and
- Whether they will strike on a major holiday such as Thanksgiving or Christmas, to make a statement, or attack on some random day as a way of letting us know that nobody is safe at any time.
I'm leaning toward the notion of an attack on the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade.[/list]
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As others have noted, ISIS simply doesn't have the power to make an attack on the US easy. That doesn't mean they wouldn't attack us if given an opportunity, and their rhetoric spells out exactly that.
The Columbine killers didn't have the support that ISIS can provide in the US.......
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We have already seen a few isolated attacks. More would not surprise me. Another reason to consider how many rounds your carry gun holds and how many spare mags you have.
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The Columbine killers didn't have the support that ISIS can provide in the US.......
What support can they provide in the US?
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It was reported yesterday that our "intelligence" community was investigating 1,000 (that ONE THOUSAND) possible ISIS attack threats. At the same time, our
overlords leaders assured us that there was no "credible" threat.
That doesn't really mean there is no credible threat. That means we haven't found enough evidence to make the threat(s) "credible). If they know about 1,000 potential plots, how many must there be that we don't have any inkling about? I'd guess at least a factor of ten.
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What support can they provide in the US?
More than you can imagine. And that is all I will say.
bob
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The hard to swallow truth is that ISIS is the US/Saudi government's proxy army. Petraeus moving into the CIA had a good deal to do with this. They arm them, fund them, support them and try to use them to carry out US foreign policy. If you want to be safe from them, you are going to have to do some political restructuring (to put it kindly) right here at home.
Because c'mon now, continuing down this path is going to get us all killed, seriously. The current establishment is sponsoring terror groups that WILL end up attacking Americans, and they are flirting with direct engagement with nuclear armed nations. And for what?
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What support can they provide in the US?
Oh you know, the usual.
Weapons, armor, logistics, safe houses, area's to train, target recon.
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The current establishment is sponsoring terror groups that WILL end up attacking Americans, and they are flirting with direct engagement with nuclear armed nations. And for what?
The Bamster (who coined that phrase; was it Rush Limbaugh?) said he wanted to "fundamentally change" America. What kind of change and what kind of fundamentalism did you expect?
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What support can they provide in the US?
Funding, among the other things Dogmush mentioned. A handful of aholes with AKs and suicide vests pulled this last one off, that doesn't really need a whole lot of command/control.
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What MechAg said. We've already had some workplace violence, so why do we speak of this in hypotheticals?
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Thread loses a lot when you aren't familiar with what "CAS" means, and Das Gookel don't help. ???
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Thread loses a lot when you aren't familiar with what "CAS" means, and Das Gookel don't help. ???
CAS = Close Air Support. Think airplanes bombing people and stuff.
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CAS = Close Air Support. Think airplanes bombing people and stuff.
I know what close air support means, but had no idea of the acronym, and not enough context to cipher it out. Thanks.
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CAS = Close Air Support. Think airplanes bombing people and stuff.
Smartass. :lol: But thanks. :-*
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Terrorists get CAS in our country already- johnny jihad attacks and kills everyone in an office and the media is Close by to Support them by putting on the Air that it was workplace violence.
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158 and counting...
SUB2000 comes out of the safe and ALL the mags that fit it and the S&W Model 59 including the 2 32 round ones are topped off and seated.
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Hero,
Can I ask what the optic is on the Kel Tec?
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Simmons Model 51105
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About to be the same for us too.
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I asked the question about what support ISIS can provide just to see what it was y'all were thinking of. We have already seen what semi-auto firearms can do when everyone in the area is disarmed. A few marines in France reminded us that unarmed men can still fight if they have the right mindset. We have also seen what happens when someone armed is there to oppose them. The main thing I can see that would panic people here is real explosives used in widespread attacks. If we started seeing a bunch of suicide vests or car bombs, that would be more difficult to deal with.
The other point I heard today is on point: France is already targeting people and searching places. They already knew who half these people were but for some reason failed to act. I have a feeling we would be in the same boat. If heavy attacks started, more than likely it would involve people our govt was already watching. Similar to the 911 aftermath. The question is would anything significant change to put a lid on it afterward.
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A Paris style attack in the US would suck for everybody except the goat pokers responsible.
Look at what we lost after 9/11.
I really hope it doesn't come to it but in a way I'm surprised it hasn't happened already. The small scale attacks we have had so far have all been more or less brushed under the rug by the administration and the willing toadies in the main stream media and labeled as pretty much anything but "terrorist attack".
A Paris level attack would bring on stupidity that makes the Patriot Act look like a good idea.
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Another question Gun Talk Radio was talking about is for us personally: Does concern over these events change what you are carrying on a daily basis? Does it make you consider different guns? More capacity? More magazines? A backup gun? A truck gun? Just thinking about changes you might make or things you wouldn't consider before that you are considering now.
One question I thought was interesting was if you were carrying and someone on a balcony with a rifle was shooting at people, could you shoot well enough to hit them? Do you practice at longer ranges with your pistol?
Another thought was whether you would consider keeping a rifle of some kind in the car or nearby?
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A Paris style attack in the US would suck for everybody except the goat pokers responsible.
Look at what we lost after 9/11.
I really hope it doesn't come to it but in a way I'm surprised it hasn't happened already. The small scale attacks we have had so far have all been more or less brushed under the rug by the administration and the willing toadies in the main stream media and labeled as pretty much anything but "terrorist attack".
A Paris level attack would bring on stupidity that makes the Patriot Act look like a good idea.
It might depend on where it is, but you might see a different reaction by the "victims".
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As bad as a Paris-style attack would be here, my personal nightmare is a Beslan type of school assault and hostage situation. <shiver>.
The backlash would be horrendous, and the assault on our remaining liberties would be unrelenting.
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As bad as a Paris-style attack would be here, my personal nightmare is a Beslan type of school assault and hostage situation. <shiver>.
The backlash would be horrendous, and the assault on our remaining liberties would be unrelenting.
The backlash would be long overdue-we all know who the enablers of terrorist immigration are. The assault on our remaining liberties would be pointless- there already are a lot of really seething pissed off americans who will cross over the breaking point.
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Stress: it's a killer.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11998297/Suicide-bomber-blew-himself-up-because-of-stress-says-Ibrahim-Abdeslams-family.html
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That's taking "Dindu Nuffin!" to a whole new level right there.
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As bad as a Paris-style attack would be here, my personal nightmare is a Beslan type of school assault and hostage situation. <shiver>.
The backlash would be horrendous, and the assault on our remaining liberties would be unrelenting.
Anybody unsure about that just ask Putin. He apparently has decided to lash back - Read more: http://controversialtimes.com/news/russia-responds-to-isis-with-banned-white-phosphorus-attack-video/#ixzz3rgnVZi3A
To understate the obvious - that stuff is nasty. It probably will have little effect except on the radicalized islamist jihadists it actually touches but it seems like a much better feel-good response than Neville Obama's nuclear "Peace in our time" deal with Iran.
stay safe.
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Anybody unsure about that just ask Putin. He apparently has decided to lash back - Read more: http://controversialtimes.com/news/russia-responds-to-isis-with-banned-white-phosphorus-attack-video/#ixzz3rgnVZi3A
To understate the obvious - that stuff is nasty. It probably will have little effect except on the radicalized islamist jihadists it actually touches but it seems like a much better feel-good response than Neville Obama's nuclear "Peace in our time" deal with Iran.
stay safe.
I'm good with that. The russians don't *expletive deleted*ck around.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12000928/The-worlds-determination-to-defeat-Isil-is-a-myth.html
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As bad as a Paris-style attack would be here, my personal nightmare is a Beslan type of school assault and hostage situation. <shiver>.
The backlash would be horrendous, and the assault on our remaining liberties would be unrelenting.
I fear you're right. Although I'm somewhat heartened by the "Shoot back, dammit!"-response that's been growing among the American public since the VT shooting.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12000928/The-worlds-determination-to-defeat-Isil-is-a-myth.html
Why do I keep equating ISIS with the Mongols?
The western pundits seem to be concerned about 'territory' where ISIS isn't concerned about 'territory' or 'borders', but more about conquering/converting/killing and becoming stronger.
I agree with that article- the West doesn't have the political will to defeat ISIS, or anyone else for that matter.
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I agree with that article- the West doesn't have the political will to defeat ISIS, or anyone else for that matter.
They sure seem willing to defeat you and me.
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They sure seem willing to defeat you and me.
If people like you and I and a few dozen million people stood together, we could have that and a lot of other existential problems fixed by 8AM tomorrow.
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If people like you and I and a few dozen million people stood together, we could have that and a lot of other existential problems fixed by 8AM tomorrow.
Yeah, but in so doing, we'd probably screw it all up by neglecting to include gendered, trans-racial voices of color as a part of the dialog, or something. Can't have that.
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Yeah, but in so doing, we'd probably screw it all up by neglecting to include gendered, trans-racial voices of color as a part of the dialog, or something. Can't have that.
Well that would be one of those problems getting fixed in the process.
The lion tamers already know that we'd eat them for lunch if we figured out that they are helpless against our claws, teeth, and strength, its just a matter of enough of us figuring that out and taking it all back in a coordinated manner.
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Another question Gun Talk Radio was talking about is for us personally: Does concern over these events change what you are carrying on a daily basis? Does it make you consider different guns? More capacity? More magazines? A backup gun? A truck gun? Just thinking about changes you might make or things you wouldn't consider before that you are considering now.
Yes and no.
Aloha Snackbar is probably not coming to my little neck of the woods.
We're new to carry here. My carry practice is evolving. Yes, I'm upsizing slightly, to carrying the XDS when possible, with the longer magazine in a carrier.
Truck gun? In this neighborhood? No.
One question I thought was interesting was if you were carrying and someone on a balcony with a rifle was shooting at people, could you shoot well enough to hit them? Do you practice at longer ranges with your pistol?
I could probably make him duck.
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http://controversialtimes.com/news/russia-responds-to-isis-with-banned-white-phosphorus-attack-video/#ixzz3rgnVZi3A
Following the now confirmed bombing of a Russian passenger plane by ISIS, Russia has taken the gloves off.
Meanwhile, Obama's golf gloves are still on.
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The backlash would be long overdue-we all know who the enablers of terrorist immigration are. The assault on our remaining liberties would be pointless- there already are a lot of really seething pissed off americans who will cross over the breaking point.
This.
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Why do I keep equating ISIS with the Mongols?
The idiots making the comparison don't know the first thing about Mongol history. To them, the Mongols were some nebulus "bad people" that came and went. Not the world shattering force the crushed everything in their path with relative ease.
http://www.ibtimes.com/russia-france-anti-isis-fight-after-paris-attacks-russian-missile-cruiser-assist-2188378
Heard this on BBC news earlier. Putin is way better at this game than any of our people currently playing. This got press, and it's the perfect "We're relevant, and look we're helping" statement from the Russians. All Obama managed to do was show up late to the moment of silence.
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I fear you're right. Although I'm somewhat heartened by the "Shoot back, dammit!"-response that's been growing among the American public since the VT shooting.
Forty (out of around 600) school districts in Ohio are allowing concealed carry by staff members: http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/more-40-ohio-schools-authorize-and-train-teachers-carry-guns-protect-students-class. A good start anyway.
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Another question Gun Talk Radio was talking about is for us personally: Does concern over these events change what you are carrying on a daily basis? Does it make you consider different guns? More capacity? More magazines? A backup gun? A truck gun? Just thinking about changes you might make or things you wouldn't consider before that you are considering now.
Definitely a couple of spare magazines for the 1911, and I may revert to carrying the Para-Ordnance double stack.
If I ever start casting my own bullets, I'll have to consider using bacon fat as lube ...
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If I ever start casting my own bullets, I'll have to consider using bacon fat as lube ...
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^^^^^
That was started by a guy here in Spokane. He was the FNRA rep for the area until he got sick and could not work. With a wife and a passel of kids he needed something to bring home the bacon, so to say, so he started the ammo line. He would have a table at the local gunshows and did all right with it for a while. I am not sure how he is doing these days, I haven't seen him in a while.
http://www.khq.com/story/24199534/jihawg-ammo-owner-speaks
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Meanwhile, Obama's golf gloves are still on.
No doubt made from kid leather.
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No doubt made from kid leather.
Goat? Or a little gift from Planned Parenthood?
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Goat? Or a little gift from Planned Parenthood?
Oh no yoo didint!!
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Goat? Or a little gift from Planned Parenthood?
Only his caddie knows for sure.
Oh no yoo didint!!
Maybe he did.
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ISIS HAS BADGES?
The suspects, who were reportedly wearing ISIS badges,
stay safe.
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ISIS HAS BADGES?
You know I had to do this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsdZKCh6RsU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFwprS_L6tg