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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: makattak on December 03, 2015, 02:01:33 PM
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http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/03/458319524/pentagon-will-allow-women-in-frontline-ground-combat-positions
This will not end well. Not for the women nor the men who must serve beside them.
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12 more drills.
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12 more drills.
Don't get the countdown app thing for your phone, it makes it seem longer.
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just more of obama's last ditch, leaving office frenzy of destroying America.
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An article I read this morning seem apropos
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/12/the_alpha_male_at_bay.html
This is the meek inheriting the earth in the form of Woody Allen and his nagging girlfriend. Police chiefs who behave like ballerinas. Weird rituals in response to crimes, atrocities, and terror attacks -- hugging, carrying candles, singing “Imagine.” Ritalin being prescribed to “hyperactive” children -- almost all of them male, and almost all of them acting the way young males have always acted. Military forces bending over backwards to avoid the one thing that military forces are designed to do -- strike a target. There’s no such thing as “Let’s roll” from this crowd. The betas currently inhabiting the seats of power in the West (Obama certainly -- one look at Michelle reveals who wears the britches in that family. Hollande is a Socialist, and thus a beta by definition. Cameron is the beta who wishes he were an alpha) are very much in the position of a whipped baboon showing his rump to the pack leader. Unfortunately, while baboons are programmed to back off at that point, jihadis are not.
We were promised by feminists that once women took their places in leadership positions, we would immediately have a better world, predicated on the female virtues of moderation, community, and compromise. This may have worked in a world in which every society was operating on the same level. But in a milieu overrun by gangbangers, jihadis, organized criminals, and petty tyrants, all the Ritalin in the world is not going to help. An aversion to subjecting women to the same level of criticism as men has given a system characterized by fatuity, frivolousness, irresponsibility, and incompetence caused by unwillingness to acknowledge how the world actually works. Angela Merkel, Hillary, and Claire McCaskill can serve as examples. But we could go on.
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In recent years, we ended 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' and allowed gay and lesbian Americans to serve openly — and it's made our military stronger.
Has this been quantified and proven, or is this just [more] empty rhetoric? If it has been quantified and proven -- how?
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First Amazon Battalion .... 'TEN HUT!!!!!!!
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Need to require them to register for the draft now also.
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The consequences of such abject idiocy will be harsh. Luckily for those making policy, they will not be the ones to take such consequences in the face.
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Need to require them to register for the draft now also.
Yep. Same rules apply across the board, right?
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Need to require them to register for the draft now also.
Yep. Same rules apply across the board, right?
As much as I'd like to support that, I never voted for this utter foolishness and I have two daughters who ought not to suffer for the decisions of fools.
Of course, they will, anyway. But I cannot support registering women for the draft any more than I could sending them into battle in the first place.
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It's things like this that will help bring tourism dollars to Canada.....
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Why Men Should Never Hit Women
http://www.unz.com/gnxp/why-men-should-never-hit-women/
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The mean ages of the two distributions were the same, 33. So d is naturally 0 for this measure. For height men are 1.75 standard deviations taller, on average, than women. This seems about right. You can see in body fat percentage that women have higher values than men. The d here is negative. It gets interesting once you get to muscles. These are measuring volumes. When it comes to arm muscles the average male has 2.5 standard deviation units more than the average female! I was also surprised by the thigh muscle, as arm musculature differences have always been more salient. Finally, there’s the fat free mass...
Some have pointed out to me before that the standard sexual dimorphism calculation in relation to humans may not be informative in the way we might think. There’s about a 10% size differences between men and women. But as you see in the “fat free mass” row the size difference is much more extreme if you account for the higher body fat of women. This is relevant because fat does not make you strong, it just adds more weight and volume. In terms of upper body muscle mass there’s less than a 10% overlap between the two distributions. The vast majority of men have more muscle mass than all women. 99.9% of females have less upper body muscle mass than the average male. The 61% greater average muscle mass in male upper bodies translates into 90% greater average strength (the respective values for the lower body are 50% and 61%)...
I spent a lot of time fixating on numbers above because I don’t beat women. More pointedly, I’ve never hit a woman...
Now, mind you, there are a small minority of women who are stronger than a small minority of men. The statistics above make it clear. But it is very unlikely that in a pairwise interaction the very strongest females will randomly face the very weakest males... [emphasis in the original article]
There are two reasons I’m posting this. First, I’m assuming most of my male readers have never beaten a woman, so they too lack good intuition about what they might be capable of if they did do such a thing. There isn’t the sort of thing you really want first-person experience of, so scientific research which can gain you some sense of the shape of reality is useful. Second, the general skepticism and rejectionism of biological differences in behavior between the sexes which is now common on the cultural Left can start to bleed into other domains in the most surreal ways.
For my own part, I have never hit a woman either in anger or with meaningful force. I have hit women in martial arts. In the traditional arts, it consisted of a very light tap/tag during sparring and such. In kickboxing, it was just enough of a tap to let them know I made contact and it was deliberate. While I was a kickboxing chump in my male weight class, I likely would kill a competitive female kickboxer with a single solid blow, even the bigger gals.
To translate the d (differences in mean as measured in standard deviations) into percentages, let me help (all at age 33):
* A difference (d) in the mean of 2.5SD means that roughly 0.621% of women have arm muscle volume greater than the average man. Put another way, 99.379% of women have less arm muscle volume than the average man.
* Lean (non-fat) body mass d of 2.06SD means that 1.97% of women have lean mass greater than the average man. (And 98.03% of women have less lean mass than the average man). The lean mass takes bone mass into consideration, too.
For my own part, I can think of better uses for women in the military than combat units, where they will die fast and get men killed, too, who otherwise would live.
I am reminded of a recent John C Wright column, a bit of which I will quote:
How long until the Left wake up? The answer is: NEVER.
The Left will never wake up to reality for precisely the reason that Leftism is a mental system of excuses and psychological tricks and traps meant to allow the Leftist to escape from reality.
That is what all their rigmarole, jabberwocky, lies and evasions, all their complex obfuscations, and penning endless tomes of endless nonsense from Marx to Keynes to Al Gore, all their riots, marches, protests, sit-ins, think-tanks, media moguls, money laundering, awards shows, convulsions, antics, stunts, clamor, libel, slander, and cacophony is for: Reality avoidance.
That is all that it is for.
It was not always thus. Perhaps a generation ago, there were Leftists who joined the Democrat Party for what were political reasons, to promote labor unions, impose regulation on banks and businesses in response to some threat, real or imaginary, posed by the free market, or to encourage the welfare state to help the poor.
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I wonder where she fits into that chart? >:D [tinfoil] [tinfoil] :angel:
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I wonder where she fits into that chart? >:D [tinfoil] [tinfoil] :angel:
How do we count the silicone breast implants?
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How do we count the silicone breast implants?
I dunno .... I wasn't really concerned about that ...... :angel: [tinfoil] :lol: :lol: :lol:
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How do we count the silicone breast implants?
<counts on fingers>
1....2....Yup, just the two.
Chris
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I wonder where she fits into that chart? >:D [tinfoil] [tinfoil] :angel:
Not well. Bodybuilding muscle doesn't tend to be as useful as fighting muscle or working muscle.
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Not well. Bodybuilding muscle doesn't tend to be as useful as fighting muscle or working muscle.
Is it a different kind of muscle?
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Is it a different kind of muscle?
It's the kind that makes you way too heavy to pass your PFT standards. Bulky dudes have to get taped to meet the asinine standards. Either you're lean or a fatass with a really thick neck to comply.
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Is it a different kind of muscle?
Fast vs slow muscle.
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Women in combat?
It's just goddamn beyond everything. What's it mean? What's it leading to?
You know, if you'd have told me 20 years ago I'd see children walking the streets of our Texas towns with green hair, bones in their noses I just flat-out wouldn't have believed you.
I think once you quit hearing "sir" and "ma'am" the rest is sure to follow.
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Women in combat?
It's just goddamn beyond everything. What's it mean? What's it leading to?
You know, if you'd have told me 20 years ago I'd see children walking the streets of our Texas towns with green hair, bones in their noses I just flat-out wouldn't have believed you.
I think once you quit hearing "sir" and "ma'am" the rest is sure to follow.
Who are you and I what have you done with De Selby?
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Who are you and I what have you done with De Selby?
He's trying to imply we're all just knuckle-dragging savages for opposing such obvious "progress".
(Just so we're clear, De Selby, this is where we are progressing to: Our Future (http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_copybook.htm))
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Eh, I'm probably one of the few here who don't see this as world ending. I however do wish that infantry, special operations and other combat arms fields retain their standards. If a woman can make the grade, that's fine. If not, standards should NOT be lowered under any circumstances. I worked in mixed units, and it really wasn't a problem. The only significant issues I saw were that some of the females and smaller males couldn't carry the heavy stuff, which isn't reflected in the PT tests anyways. I've met males that were PT gods, but couldn't throw a 150 lb person or piece of equipment over their shoulders and run 100m. Or carry an 18 lb weapon plus ammo and personal gear for 10 miles. PT tests aren't entirely combat related to begin with.
I am leery of the Pentagon ordering units to drop standards to ensure quotas. It hasn't happened thus far, and I hope it does not.
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I am leery of the Pentagon ordering units to drop standards to ensure quotas. It hasn't happened thus far, and I hope it does not.
I'm pretty sure it will come. I don't think many of us are laboring under the delusion that this move is to make the army better at f*cking sh*t up.
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These fools think that they can create reality by willing their narrative.
Why do you think Obama and the left sound so disconnected from reality? They actually believe they can create a new reality through force of will.
They are insane.
We've let them get away with it and the death cult Islamists are calling their bluff.
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<counts on fingers>
1....2....Yup, just the two.
Chris
Well, 1..... 2..... 3....
If you're watching Total Recall with Ahnold...
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Just as an observational aside...
The Soviets fielded a lot of women in combat roles during the Great Patriotic War, close to 1 million, IIRC.
They did quite well for themselves. Nearly 100 were decorated as Heroes of the Soviet Union.
Several of the top scoring Soviet snipers were women, and two became fighter aces.
Just saying...
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Yet, as soon as the Great Patriotic War ended, and the existential threat to the Soviet Union was destroyed, they got rid of all the women in combat roles and pretty much all the women in their military. And they didn't really "downsize" their military after the war ended....
You'd think if it was such a great idea, the Communists/Socialists would have kept it. But they didn't for some reason....
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Yet, as soon as the Great Patriotic War ended, and the existential threat to the Soviet Union was destroyed, they got rid of all the women in combat roles and pretty much all the women in their military. And they didn't really "downsize" their military after the war ended....
You'd think if it was such a great idea, the Communists/Socialists would have kept it. But they didn't for some reason....
So the Soviets were phalocentric aholes, as everyone else was/apparently still is?
Having lost roughly a quarter of its population during the war (solid figures are hard to come by, but consensus is more or less about 40 million military and civilian deaths in the war of a total prewar population of about 165 million), the Soviets embarked on a campaign to rebuild the nation, continuing programs from the 1920s that encouraged women to have children. LOTS of children.
Its a lot tougher for a woman to do that when she's serving in the military.
"And they didn't really "downsize" their military after the war ended...."
Uhm... yeah. They did, and rather quickly, and rather dramatically.
At the end of the war in 1945 the Soviet military had somewhere between 11-13 million men and women at arms.
Starting with demobilization right after the war, western analysts estimated that Soviet military strength fluctuated between roughly 3 to 5 million from roughly 1948 through the rest of the Cold War period.
Don't think for a moment that the Soviets came out of World War II and kept their military at 12 million for the next 45 years. That would be a ludicrous concept.
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Does having women in combat roles make our military more effective at killing the enemy and destroying their stuff?
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Does having women in combat roles make our military more effective at killing the enemy and destroying their stuff?
I think the proper question in times of relative peace would be does it make the militiary LESS effective.
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I think the proper question in times of relative peace would be does it make the militiary LESS effective.
Army! Be The Best Just Good Enough (under new and improved standards!) You Can Be [tinfoil]
I sure hope you're right Mike, as it is probably here to stay. The ratchet only ratchets one way.
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"Army! Be The Best Just Good Enough (under new and improved standards!) You Can Be"
They already used that slogan in the 1960s and 1970s.
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I think the proper question in times of relative peace would be does it make the militiary LESS effective.
Peace is just a time for everyone to reload.
So, yes.
All these women are not magically going to disappear from the ranks if we enter an actual, you know, shooting war.
You go to war with the Army you have.
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I think the proper question in times of relative peace would be does it make the militiary LESS effective.
The answer to that from several studies is "yes"
Even if it was no, it's a stupid *expletive deleted*ing way to build and maintain combat power
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The answer to that from several studies is "yes"
Even if it was no, it's a stupid *expletive deleted*ing way to build and maintain combat power
But TEH FREAKIN' COMMIES had women fighting during WWII! You're just a phallocentric bigot!
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More to the point, when you're talking about your combat arms specialties, you shouldn't be making changes to it simply by asking "will this HURT our capabilities?"
If it isn't a force multiplier, it shouldn't be considered. And considering two things : the USMC's infantry study, and the fact that our military is over strength, its an even worse idea.
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the fact that our military is over strength, its an even worse idea.
If history is any example the logical thing to do will be to RIF the males and keep the females for like ya know social justice man.
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The more I listen to .gov employees at meetings, the more I wonder about the future...
I was at a court conference, and there were recruiters doing a presentation about enlistment options available to young people who may be court involved. Over the course of the presentation, it became more and more apparent to me that the emphasis of .mil is on air power. Navy talked about jobs on carriers and avionics. Air Force talked a ton about avionics and especially drone support. Army and Marines, well they talked a lot about how they were willing to take kids with criminal backgrounds for infantry and other combat arms if they weren't actively on probation, and if serious offenses were sealed and/or expunged. Air dominance, bombing, missile strikes are all well and good, but sooner or later you need boots on the ground. Hell, the Amry recruited was bragging about helping a kid get his Assault on a Police Officer case sealed so he could get the kid an infantry contract.
If I was in today, I think I'd be worried less about a qualified woman covering my six than I would some guy who spent a bunch of time locked up for violent offenses who got his record sealed so he could enlist.