Armed Polite Society

Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Fitz on January 07, 2016, 05:11:05 PM

Title: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2016, 05:11:05 PM
Next vid should be even better since I now have three cameras.

Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26F1RSm1HUQ
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Unisaw on January 07, 2016, 05:50:08 PM
Very nice!  I subscribed and am looking forward to future videos.
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2016, 06:00:39 PM
Very nice!  I subscribed and am looking forward to future videos.

I plan to post something for each lesson. I figure even if I *expletive deleted*ck everything up on a lesson, people can learn from it
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: JonnyB on January 07, 2016, 06:06:03 PM
On my very first flight, I broke off the knob for turning on the transponder. Class D airport; transponder required. The instructor called the tower and got a waiver for our departure and return. No idea what the repair cost them.

jb
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fly320s on January 07, 2016, 06:51:51 PM
Looks scary and dangerous.














For the instructor!   >:D =D
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2016, 08:00:17 PM
Looks scary and dangerous.

For the instructor!   >:D =D

He didn't appreciate when I told him that I wasn't concerned with learning to land... or when I yelled "Allahu Akbar" when ATC gave us a traffic advisory...
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: roo_ster on January 07, 2016, 10:45:46 PM
Fitz...

If i recall you are in the dfw area.  I would suggest you make your way to meacham filed in fort worth where they have a flight museum.  It is the bittyest flight museum i ever visited.  But the absolute best because the volunteers were terrific.  They answered all my kids questions and gave us all an open invitation to come and help wrench on and restore vintage aircraft by the end.  Makes me want to move nearby so my son and daughter would have such a grand opportunity.
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2016, 10:47:48 PM
Fitz...

If i recall you are in the dfw area.  I would suggest you make your way to meacham filed in fort worth where they have a flight museum.  It is the bittyest flight museum i ever visited.  But the absolute best because the volunteers were terrific.  They answered all my kids questions and gave us all an open invitation to come and help wrench on and restore vintage aircraft by the end.  Makes me want to move nearby so my son and daughter would have such a grand opportunity.

I'll make sure to check that out! My kid LOVES aviation museums. The flying pancake at love field is her favorite :-D
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: RocketMan on January 07, 2016, 10:51:19 PM
Fitz...

If i recall you are in the dfw area.  I would suggest you make your way to meacham filed in fort worth where they have a flight museum.  It is the bittyest flight museum i ever visited.  But the absolute best because the volunteers were terrific.  They answered all my kids questions and gave us all an open invitation to come and help wrench on and restore vintage aircraft by the end.  Makes me want to move nearby so my son and daughter would have such a grand opportunity.

I heartily endorse the notion of your and your kids wrenching on old airplanes.  If the opportunity arises, grab it.
BTDT, worth every minute.
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2016, 11:22:18 PM
I'd like to build something eventually...
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fly320s on January 08, 2016, 08:11:38 AM
What airport do you use?
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 08, 2016, 08:58:27 AM
What airport do you use?

Club is based in Addison. Apparently Mckinney is  the usual choice for pattern work
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: 230RN on January 08, 2016, 09:21:23 AM
Wow.  Didn't know you could advance that far in one lesson!  Really enjoyed that.  Could you have maybe zoomed out to see some of the instruments and the controls?  (I know you're getting more cameras to cover this.)

Dumb question:

In the recovery from the stall, is the turning on re-powering due to the sudden engine torque tipping the wings?

Good advice I heard somewhere... "Always fly in the middle of the air, not the top or the bottom."  Always thought that was funny.

Terry, groundlubber.
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 08, 2016, 11:33:56 AM
Wow.  Didn't know you could advance that far in one lesson!  Really enjoyed that.  Could you have maybe zoomed out to see some of the instruments and the controls?  (I know you're getting more cameras to cover this.)

Dumb question:

In the recovery from the stall, is the turning on re-powering due to the sudden engine torque tipping the wings?

Good advice I heard somewhere... "Always fly in the middle of the air, not the top or the bottom."  Always thought that was funny.

Terry, groundlubber.

  Unfortunately , the perspective you see is all you get on this vid.  I have some ideas about how to get some better views .

 As for the turning, I'm sure that was some of it .  But the bigger part of it was me not being coordinated To begin with I think


Also. Today I passed the written exam
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fly320s on January 08, 2016, 12:22:01 PM
 
Also. Today I passed the written exam

100% right, I assume.
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fly320s on January 08, 2016, 12:26:06 PM
Club is based in Addison. Apparently Mckinney is  the usual choice for pattern work

I thought it was Addison, based on those exposed-beam hangars on the right side.  Those were the Rockwell hangars way back when.  I got started there then finished at AriBen Aviator.

McKinney has always been the place for air and pattern work. Addison is too busy these days.
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 08, 2016, 01:52:15 PM
100% right, I assume.

No. I'm terrible at rote memorization type questions and I drew a lot of em. I got an 82

"What part of the FAR covers airspaces"

*expletive deleted*ck i dunno. I will use the index to find it if I ever need it
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 08, 2016, 04:41:51 PM
This is testing other cams...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5_TAoXF7-I


I don't know that I like the over the shoulder view. May switch that cam back to the nose of the bird.

Thoughts?

LOVE the wing view and cabin views
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 13, 2016, 05:46:52 PM
Another one. still dinkin around with cams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO3cCRTQURM
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fly320s on January 13, 2016, 06:56:41 PM
Another one. still dinkin around with cams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO3cCRTQURM

You need a bigger plane.
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: RocketMan on January 13, 2016, 07:13:12 PM
Looks like Fitz is having fun.   =D

"When some people lose an engine, they don't have to turn back as far."  Did he really say that?  :O  Whatever happened to landing straight ahead when the big fan quits?  I thought that was the safest course of action after an engine failure.
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fly320s on January 13, 2016, 07:15:08 PM
Looks like Fitz is having fun.   =D

"When some people lose an engine, they don't have to turn back as far."  Did he really say that?  :O  Whatever happened to landing straight ahead when the big fan quits?  I thought that was the safest course of action after an engine failure.

Depends on what lies straight ahead.  Always be on the lookout for a safe-ish place to land in an emergency.
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: RocketMan on January 13, 2016, 07:18:06 PM
Depends on what lies straight ahead.  Always be on the lookout for a safe-ish place to land in an emergency.

Granted, sometimes a bit of a turn may be necessary to find that safe-ish spot, but to turn back to the airport after the mill quits leads to a stall spin more often than not, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fly320s on January 13, 2016, 07:24:46 PM
Granted, sometimes a bit of a turn may be necessary to find that safe-ish spot, but to turn back to the airport after the mill quits leads to a stall spin more often than not, doesn't it?

No.  Exceeding the critical angle of attack while in uncoordinated flight leads to a stall/spin.  /aerodynamics Nazi.

What happens is a pilot will attempt to make that turn around, realize he is too low or in too wide of a turn and try to tighten the turn.  Then he starts bleeding airspeed, so he lowers the nose.  Then he realizes he is too low and still needs to tighten the turn, so he pulls the nose up, adds bank or too much rudder, and... ta-da!... a one turn spin right into the ground.

Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 13, 2016, 09:24:21 PM
Looks like Fitz is having fun.   =D

"When some people lose an engine, they don't have to turn back as far."  Did he really say that?  :O  Whatever happened to landing straight ahead when the big fan quits?  I thought that was the safest course of action after an engine failure.

If you note again, he prefaces that with "some people like to turn blah blah blah, so that if they lose an engine they don't have to turn back as far"

He does not advocate making the impossible turn. At all.

Southbound departures from Addison leave precious little. I think the only half decent option is the toll road. If traffic is bad, the impossible turn might be the only good option. I'll have to look at the google earth again.

Also depends on altitude. If I have lots of it by then, I'd try to circle around. Even if I could only make the grass, the displaced threshold, or a taxiway. At 700 agl, i'm looking no further than a 30 degree arc in front of me. Also I read an article about strategic crashing. Fly it until it stops, and use obstacles at the wing to absorb impact, etc.
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 13, 2016, 09:27:35 PM
No.  Exceeding the critical angle of attack while in uncoordinated flight leads to a stall/spin.  /aerodynamics Nazi.

What happens is a pilot will attempt to make that turn around, realize he is too low or in too wide of a turn and try to tighten the turn.  Then he starts bleeding airspeed, so he lowers the nose.  Then he realizes he is too low and still needs to tighten the turn, so he pulls the nose up, adds bank or too much rudder, and... ta-da!... a one turn spin right into the ground.



Or the turn to final mistake. Turn to final, you're already kinda slow. You go wide so you increase bank. Then you realize you're still too wide, so you try to cheat and get the nose where it needs to be with the rudder. Woops
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Unisaw on January 14, 2016, 03:19:51 AM
What model of aircraft is that?  Also, what is the silver crank above your head?
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 14, 2016, 08:54:40 AM
What model of aircraft is that?  Also, what is the silver crank above your head?

Cherokee 180

And that crank is the elevator trim. Goofy as hell. Cessna have a wheel that I like better
It's to relieve your need to hold pressure on the yoke . You get into level flight, a descent, a climb, etc, and the trim allows you to adjust the plane so you don't need to hold the elevator pressure
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fly320s on January 14, 2016, 11:01:02 AM
Cherokee 180

And that crank is the elevator trim. Goofy as hell. Cessna have a wheel that I like better
It's to relieve your need to hold pressure on the yoke . You get into level flight, a descent, a climb, etc, and the trim allows you to adjust the plane so you don't need to hold the elevator pressure

Newer Pipers went to a wheel between the seats, IIRC.
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 14, 2016, 02:22:25 PM
Newer Pipers went to a wheel between the seats, IIRC.

Yeah, many with electric buttons on the yoke too.
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fly320s on January 14, 2016, 03:34:58 PM
Yeah, many with electric buttons on the yoke too.

Now yer gettin' fancy.
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 14, 2016, 03:40:46 PM
Now yer gettin' fancy.

Just wait till I build a plane. ;-)
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: tokugawa on January 14, 2016, 04:10:26 PM
Here you go- sex on wings
 http://www.falcoaircraft.org/
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fly320s on January 14, 2016, 04:31:28 PM
Here you go- sex on wings
 http://www.falcoaircraft.org/

Falcos are decent, but I prefer the Lancair. http://www.lancair.com/

Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 14, 2016, 04:31:54 PM
Falcos are decent, but I prefer the Lancair. http://www.lancair.com/



I want to build something goofy, like an aerocanard SX or a velocity
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fly320s on January 14, 2016, 04:40:50 PM
I've always liked the Velocity.  You don't want something conventional, but functional, like an RV? 

I would go the opposite direction and get an off-the-shelf plane for low and slow flying.  Maybe some mild aerobatics for fun.  Or even an Aircam, just because.  http://www.lockwoodaircraft.com/
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 14, 2016, 04:43:09 PM
I've always liked the Velocity.  You don't want something conventional, but functional, like an RV?  

I would go the opposite direction and get an off-the-shelf plane for low and slow flying.  Maybe some mild aerobatics for fun.  Or even an Aircam, just because.  http://www.lockwoodaircraft.com/

I  thought about an RV, too. Not sure

I want something four place with a decent useful load that would be good for taking my family to places.

And I like weird ass canard pushers. Dunno why. personal aesthetic preference I guess.

This one is neat

http://www.aircraftmerchants.com/images/A23F6025-0BC5-4187-AEA5-FC0015422C71/2.jpg


Nice thing about the RV10 is you can buy it in subkits. And Vans has been around long enough that there's no real danger of having them go completely away in the middle of a build
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Jocassee on January 14, 2016, 04:45:06 PM
I've always liked the Velocity.  You don't want something conventional, but functional, like an RV? 

I would go the opposite direction and get an off-the-shelf plane for low and slow flying.  Maybe some mild aerobatics for fun.  Or even an Aircam, just because.  http://www.lockwoodaircraft.com/

$45,495? You could get a real airplane for a lot less.
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fly320s on January 14, 2016, 04:49:05 PM
$45,495? You could get a real airplane for a lot less.

The completed price will be well over $100k.

I don't want a real plane.  I've got thousands of hours in real planes.  I want something fun.  That is, if I was going to get a plane, which I never will.  There are too many other toys that I can use only 4 days a month that cost a whole lot less.

Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Jocassee on January 14, 2016, 04:52:07 PM
There are too many other toys that I can use only 4 days a month that cost a whole lot less.

This is why I'm playing powerball next time.
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 14, 2016, 04:55:04 PM
$45,495? You could get a clapped out old trainer from the 70s.


Fixed

Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fly320s on January 14, 2016, 06:40:32 PM

Fixed



Here ya go. The first 17 pages are under $46k.

http://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?s-type=aircraft&category=Single+Engine+Piston&s-page_size=25&s-seq=1&s-lvl=3&s-sort_key=price&s-sort_order=asc&s-page=18
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 14, 2016, 07:28:33 PM
Here ya go. The first 17 pages are under $46k.

http://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?s-type=aircraft&category=Single+Engine+Piston&s-page_size=25&s-seq=1&s-lvl=3&s-sort_key=price&s-sort_order=asc&s-page=18

yeah I was mostly being facetious

what irritates me is how much more expensive it is, for example, to completely upgrade a panel on a certified aircraft vs an experimental.

In my mind, if the certified aircraft is non-commercial, personal use, you should be able to do the same *expletive deleted*it you can do in an RV. It's insane how much avionics differ in price solely by application and the lack of a TSO
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fly320s on January 14, 2016, 07:32:04 PM
yeah I was mostly being facetious

what irritates me is how much more expensive it is, for example, to completely upgrade a panel on a certified aircraft vs an experimental.

In my mind, if the certified aircraft is non-commercial, personal use, you should be able to do the same *expletive deleted*it you can do in an RV. It's insane how much avionics differ in price solely by application and the lack of a TSO

I completely agree with you.  The FAA was heavy-handed 30 years ago and they have only become worse.
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: CypherNinja on January 14, 2016, 07:51:42 PM
For sexy-supah-sporty I prefer the Flying Dodge Viper (http://www.nemesisnxt.com/kit/index.php).

For something to actually build, I'm drooling over the idea of Velocity XL, preferably with this engine (http://www.ace-performance.com/six-cylinder-lycoming-540-ace-568-efii-conversion-rocks/) in it.  =D [ar15]
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 14, 2016, 07:54:19 PM
I completely agree with you.  The FAA was heavy-handed 30 years ago and they have only become worse.

Apparently another thing Inhofe was working on was a new category for certified planes for noncommercial personal use, that would apply the same maintenance and upgrade rules to them as experimentals.

Quick example: take a look at TSO'd vs non TSO'd PFDs for airplanes. the price difference is insane.

Considering the numbers EAA publishes, experimental safety is pretty good. And if we're talking about upgrading proven, factory built planes, it seems to me that giving these old birds some modern situational awareness tools is a good thing.

I can outfit a panel in an experimental with all the latest, multiple redundant systems and the FAA says fine. Try to replace an aging panel in an old piper with something modern and more reliable? GASP! NO!
Title: Re: Flying lesson!
Post by: Fitz on January 14, 2016, 07:55:16 PM
For sexy-supah-sporty I prefer the Flying Dodge Viper (http://www.nemesisnxt.com/kit/index.php).

For something to actually build, I'm drooling over the idea of Velocity XL, preferably with this engine (http://www.ace-performance.com/six-cylinder-lycoming-540-ace-568-efii-conversion-rocks/) in it.  =D [ar15]


I'd start a velocity RIGHT NOW if they had separate subkits.

the Aerocanard stuff does, so that may be an option. Can't drop the green ona  full velocity kit, but I certainly could do a section at a time if that option was available.