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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on January 17, 2016, 10:32:59 PM
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I rewatched "Johnny Mnemonic" today. The last time I watched it was probably ten years ago. It struck me as very funny today that Johnny, with a memory doubler, held a whole 160gb in his head.
I suppose that for 1995, that seemed pretty futuristic, but it's one of those cases where reality ended up surpassing science fiction by far. I think the movie takes place circa 2025. William Gibson was the writer, so it's not like some sci-fi hack came up with the number. He also wrote in some yet to be invented wetware tech for physical enhancements, so the memory is the one place he was really behind the curve, or alternately, the real world went bleeding edge rather quickly.
It probably really did seem futuristic back then. I think IDE drives of the time topped out at half a gig, if I remember right. I think it was also still the era where people (me included) thought, "What the heck would you do with a gigabyte of space!?!" Now I have no problem envisioning my need for a petabyte drive in five or so years. :laugh:
Also funny, when they did the data dump to the web, they told everyone, "Turn on your VCRs and record this."
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Stuff like that was why William Gibson gave up on writing Sci-Fi/Cyberpunk set in the future. He couldn't keep up.
His latest few "Cyberpunk" novels could pretty much be set in present day, maybe with a few more political or social trends stretched out into a bit of hyperbole to make them more interesting.
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Remember, the original IBM PC came with a single floppy drive that had a capacity of 360 KB, and IIRC either 64 or 128 KB of RAM. File names were limited to 8 characters and a 3-character extension because anything else used too much memory.
MS-DOS couldn't handle more than 640 KB of RAM, because at the time nobody envisioned that there would ever be a need for more than that.
My first computer was an AT clone that had 1 MB of RAM and a HUUUUUGE 20 MB hard drive. When I bought it, I was sure that would last me for a lifetime ...
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Those kind of misses are universal. My favorite is the asimov short story where military planners need people who can do arithmetic, because you can fit people in very small ships that are too small to fit a computer.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feeling_of_Power
In Neuromancer, Case's capsule hotel is broken into and "megabytes" of "high-grade RAM" stolen, which is a double-miss...both the memory capacity, and the concept that computer hardware would be expensive and worth stealing.
Multitudes of stories have very good microfilm and very small audiotapes.
Verner Vinge did very well, but he was writing from the 80s/90s.
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First PC I bought had an 8 gig hard drive, which I was assurred would last me a lifetime. It was in 1998. My current desktop has 180 gigs of internal hard drive and an external terrabyte of storage (lots of music and photos). The terabyte drive is physically the size of a hard cover book.
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http://www.futuristgerd.com/2012/12/27/what-may-happen-in-the-next-hundred-years-john-elfreth-watkins-predictions-from-100-years-ago/
http://www.personal.psu.edu/staff/t/w/twa101/whatmayhappen.pdf
People make a big deal about Mr. J. Elfreth Watkins, Jr., predicting cell phones, television, and (arguably), the internet.
But look at how much he got wrong. MOST prognostications work that way- there will be a few hits for many, many misses.
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Stuff like that was why William Gibson gave up on writing Sci-Fi/Cyberpunk set in the future. He couldn't keep up.
"We're gonna hack the Gibson!"
Brad
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Remember, the original IBM PC came with a single floppy drive that had a capacity of 360 KB, and IIRC either 64 or 128 KB of RAM. File names were limited to 8 characters and a 3-character extension because anything else used too much memory.
Less than that, on the very original, I think.
I've got this (http://www.amazon.com/Toward-year-Foreign-Policy-Association/dp/B00005WZIF) on my shelf at home. A hideously dull piece of work I picked up at the time. "Fifty years in the future!" as envisioned by the Foreign Policy Association. I'm keeping it around to see how off it is.
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First PC I bought had an 8 gig hard drive, which I was assurred would last me a lifetime. It was in 1998. My current desktop has 180 gigs of internal hard drive and an external terrabyte of storage (lots of music and photos). The terabyte drive is physically the size of a hard cover book.
Mine was a Gateway 2000 with an 800 MB hard drive if I remember correctly. I mainly remember I had to set up special boot up sequences that would free up RAM so I could run Xwing and a couple other games.
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I computerized the office in 1985. The "computer" with 5 workstations, software, and a tractor feed printer was over $22k. That was Pre-windows MS-DOS, monochrome screens, and tape backups. What is very basic now was superfantastic 30 years ago.
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Mine was a Gateway 2000 with an 800 MB hard drive if I remember correctly. I mainly remember I had to set up special boot up sequences that would free up RAM so I could run Xwing and a couple other games.
A friend of mine had a similar PC (Gateway 2000) and had to do the exact same thing with Xwing. :)
Chris
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The first that was mine was a Gateway 2000 386sx (no math coprocessor for this guy) with a 10MB hard drive. I got really good at autoexec.bat and config.sys trying to get enough free conventional memory to run Falcon 3.0. I was greedy, I wanted sound, a mouse, and a joystick to work at the same time! I was super pissed at its replacement, a Packard Bell (lol) that even though it was a Pentium 90 and better, could not get past like 580K free conventional RAM. I spent many hours trying to get past that.
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You guys are adorable with your PC's.
LOAD "*",8,1
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Stuff like that was why William Gibson gave up on writing Sci-Fi/Cyberpunk set in the future. He couldn't keep up.
His latest few "Cyberpunk" novels could pretty much be set in present day, maybe with a few more political or social trends stretched out into a bit of hyperbole to make them more interesting.
Though as I think about it more, Gibson may not have been off by more than a decade or so. The "doubler" was software, so I assume Gibson meant it to be compression. For the physical 80 gigs, they had to remove a small portion of Johnny's brain to get it to fit. So it's not just memory size we need to consider, but physical size.
Probably the most compact memory we have now is a 512gig micro SD. Maybe there's something that small with more memory, but I can't think of anything. Otherwise the next smallest form factor would be be one of the smaller flash drives, which can hold up to a gig.
So when you work in form factor as well as capacity, he's probably not as far off as I originally thought when I was thinking of >tb capacities, which are still a fairly big form factor (at least for sticking in someone's head).
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I guess the Sci-Fi authors never heard of Moore's Law.
A little extrapolation based on that and they could have been fairly well up to date even today.
It has been an interesting path though. Just a little over 30 years ago I was rocking a Commodore 64, connected to a 19" TV with a cassette tape for storage.
Now I'm sitting next to a processor running 3.2 GHz with 4 terra bytes of hard drive viewed on a 24" lcd monitor and adjusted for inflation I'm thinking I paid less for this setup than I did for the C64.
I've got several 32G SD cards and a couple of 32G thumb drives that were a good bit less than $1 a Gigabyte.
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I forget what KITT's original stated capacity was, but I do remember thinking (when re-watching the original series last year) that it was awfully small to even have a speech synthesis program, much less an AI.
Then again, he didn't have Windows clogging things up, or any of the other bloatware that now needs hundreds of MB to do what it did in a few KB a decade or two ago.
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The terabyte drive is physically the size of a hard cover book.
Get rid of that giant drive. Come join us in 2016.
This one is 2TB in 4.3 x 3.2 inches.
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Last years WD Ultra. 3TB, 4.3x3.2x0.9 inches, $129 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00W8XXYN2/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687602&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00E055H5O&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=11CSBBTRZSGC4GJ4MTFA)
Shakes head. digital storage size is getting kind silly.
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Last years WD Ultra. 3TB, 4.3x3.2x0.9 inches, $129 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00W8XXYN2/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687602&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00E055H5O&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=11CSBBTRZSGC4GJ4MTFA)
I have a pair of 2TB Seagates sitting here from our dead NAS that I keep meaning to order SATA cables for so I can stuff them in my desktop. Haven't filled up the one it came with yet, but I'm sure I'd find uses for the extra space.
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I also don't think that writers 20 years ago would have ever guessed that nearly every human being in every developed country would be carrying a small handheld device that put most of the collective knowledge of mankind at their fingertips. Other than maybe Huxley, I don't think anyone ever saw the use of these powerful devices being wasted on porn, cat videos, hookups, naricism, and dick pics.
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I also don't think that writers 20 years ago would have ever guessed that nearly every human being in every developed country would be carrying a small handheld device that put most of the collective knowledge of mankind at their fingertips. Other than maybe Huxley, I don't think anyone ever saw the use of these powerful devices being wasted on porn, cat videos, hookups, naricism, and dick pics.
Well, they probably knew about the porn. I think Usenet was already 50% porn pics by the mid 90's. :lol:
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1976 organic chemistry class at Bradley University. We had to take our tray of key punch cards (various properties of an unknown compound) to the computer center and the whole second floor housed the IBM computer with its rows and rows of tape drives. Handed them across the counter to a geeky grad student and 2 days later we could pick up our green bar printout to turn in for a grade.
cutting edge of technology back then.
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We had to take our tray of key punch cards
Oh, the joys of watching the expression on someone's face when you do a deck swap to blank or junk cards, then appear to riffle shuffle their project.
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1976 organic chemistry class at Bradley University. We had to take our tray of key punch cards (various properties of an unknown compound) to the computer center and the whole second floor housed the IBM computer with its rows and rows of tape drives. Handed them across the counter to a geeky grad student and 2 days later we could pick up our green bar printout to turn in for a grade.
cutting edge of technology back then.
:laugh:
I tell kids these days that I had to cut my printed peaks from my HPLCs out with scissors and weigh them on an analytical balance in order to integrate area %s- and that was only about 25 years ago.
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Bah! You kids with yer punch card readers! When I worked at Tech we had analog computers that ya "programmed" with patch cords and the newer mainframes had wire-core memory! :old:
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(OK, the analog units were used on some lab experiments and the mainframe with the wire-core memory was still in active inventory but it was there dangit!)
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I remember when I cam home from leave and bought a computer. 386x with a co-processor, 640K RAM, 1 m extended RAM, 500 meg hard drive, 5.25 and 3.5 in floppy drives and a tape back-up drive. Color Monitor all for the screaming price of $1600 shipped.
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I remember when I cam home from leave and bought a computer. 386x with a co-processor, 640K RAM, 1 m extended RAM, 500 meg hard drive, 5.25 and 3.5 in floppy drives and a tape back-up drive. Color Monitor all for the screaming price of $1600 shipped.
I looked at something like that- at Radio shack. I was too poor to afford it at the time. :lol:
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As an FYI, Samsung should be releasing 16TB (15.3 real TB) SSDs this year, for enterprise customers. For around $7k. Which is fantastically cheap for enterprise.
It's actually not vaporware either. They have 'production' models made. It's just 48 layers of 3-bits-per-cell (TLC) 3D V-NAND, where 36 layers is standard now. So only a decent but not insane improvement. Most of your home SSD is air or plastic housing, btw. This is just cramming a whole bunch of semi normal components into a single unit.
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You guys are adorable with your PC's.
LOAD "*",8,1
LOAD "*",1,1 if you needed to load it off of a tape. I remember Frogger taking 10-15 minutes to load off that dang tape. Eons to a 5-8 year old.
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(OK, the analog units were used on some lab experiments and the mainframe with the wire-core memory was still in active inventory but it was there dangit!)
I will call your core memory, and raise you.... carriage control tapes! (a paleo printer thing, for you kids).
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I remember when I cam home from leave and bought a computer. 386x with a co-processor, 640K RAM, 1 m extended RAM, 500 meg hard drive, 5.25 and 3.5 in floppy drives and a tape back-up drive. Color Monitor all for the screaming price of $1600 shipped.
I wonder if you misremember the specs. My recollection was that when the 386sx was current, 40, 80 and 120mb drives were all the rage. 500mb would have been monstrously large in the early 90s.
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Reading all this made me remember my real first computer, a Smith Corona PWP5000 word processing unit. Bought it in 1990, heading to law school, knowing I would need to type papers and didn't want to run off to the computer lab at school alll the time. It was a dedicated word processor, with a 12 inch monochrome screen, and used 2.8" diskettes to store documents...no internal storage. Basically, it was a typewriter with a screen and a disk drive, even used typewriter ribbons for printing. Spent around $500 for the unit, plus an extra $75 for a paper feeder, from Service Merchandise store. Didn't need anything else, I had my Sega Genesis for entertainment.
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I wonder if you misremember the specs. My recollection was that when the 386sx was current, 40, 80 and 120mb drives were all the rage. 500mb would have been monstrously large in the early 90s.
Yep, our first PC was a 386sx with a 120 MB hard drive. I remember my dad griping about the fact that us kids' Wing Commander game was taking up 20-something MB.
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I started with a IBM PC clone 8088 w/640k RAM, full height 10 MEG HD and a single 360k 5¼" Floppy drive, Amber Hercules monochrome graphics. As I advanced I upgraded it to an 8086 CPU, Math Coprocessor, 1,024k RAM, Seagate ST 225 20 Meg HD. At the time, I was large and in charge!
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BTW: I got my PC to run Fortran and to do 3D CAD with CADKEY run off of a stack of floppies!
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I remember my old 386 at a screaming 25Mhz....
Upgrading from an older ISA 8 bit card to a 16 bit (I.E, it had 1MB of RAM on it, IIRC, versus the whopping 256k the ATI card had on it, and it used both connectors on the motherboard, not just one like the ATI. ) made gaming quite a lot better.
Yeah, space was definitely at a premium. 100MBs may have seemed huge back then, but rapidly shrunk, especially when you installed games & compilers.
And yeah, I'd managed to forget the whole CONFIG.SYS & AUTOEXEC.BAT juggling one had to do for many games. Some games wanted extended memory, others wanted purely conventional (first 640k), and others wanted expanded memory.
So, you had to load emm386.exe, himem.sys, your mouse driver (if the game needed it,) and your sound driver (if your soundcard needed it. True Soundblasters generally didn't, but some other cards needed TSRs.... lots of fun fitting everything into memory,)
Don't even get me started on the bogusness of disk compression. Stacker/Drivespace/etc sounded good on the surface....but turned out to be kinda crappy.
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That's why I used a Perstor controller card to double my 40 to an 80!
http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/manuals/Perstor/Perstor%20PS180-16F%20-%20Advertisement.pdf
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It wasn't until the last move that I found and then threw out my 300 baud acoustic coupler that I used to connect to the Unix bulletin boards. you had to dial the number, wait for the beeps, and then wedge the phone handset into the rubber cups and it would connect. When I bought a 1200 baud internal modem for my Leading Edge Model D, I thought I was moving on up. My very first computer was a Texas Instruments 99/4a with a tape recorder drive. In chemistry school, I used an Apple II plus for my undergrad and grad to drive the GC/MS.
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What's crazy is data volume.
So right now the best microSD a you can actually buy is like 200GB, and it's 11x15x1mm (165mm3), or about 1.25 GB/mm3, and about 400GB/g (and $0.5/GB)
That means a cubic meter of microSD cards (6.06 million of them) would:
1. cost $600 million
2. Mass approx 3 metric tons (6600lbs)
3. Hold 1.2 billion gigabytes. That's 1200 petabytes. (1.2 exabytes)
Given that the human race has generated <10 zettabytes, that means that the entirety of the human race's information could be put into a cube less than 20 meters in a side, costing $6 trillion.
The -crazier- part is if you increased the volume to ~25 meter cube, you could have each card be accessed.
If done properly, you could probably access about 0.1% of them simultaneously, or about 60million at a time--at UHS speed, that's a read speed of about 3 petabytes/second (24000 Tbps), or a write speed of about 1/5th of that.
Meaning it's actually somewhat reasonable for us to build an information ark.
1/10th of the world GDP.
Have N-ary redundancy for control electronics (like 100-ary or more), with massive data redundancy
Powered by ultra-long-life RTG (again, redundancy) for backup
Encased in a thick-walled box with say...10-20m thick walls.
...and we have enough nuclear weapons to Orion-drive that f$&@er to another star.
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What's crazy is data volume.
So right now the best microSD a you can actually buy is like 200GB, and it's 11x15x1mm (165mm3), or about 1.25 GB/mm3, and about 400GB/g (and $0.5/GB)
That means a cubic meter of microSD cards (6.06 million of them) would:
1. cost $600 million
2. Mass approx 3 metric tons (6600lbs)
3. Hold 1.2 billion gigabytes. That's 1200 petabytes. (1.2 exabytes)
Given that the human race has generated <10 zettabytes, that means that the entirety of the human race's information could be put into a cube less than 20 meters in a side, costing $6 trillion.
The -crazier- part is if you increased the volume to ~25 meter cube, you could have each card be accessed.
If done properly, you could probably access about 0.1% of them simultaneously, or about 60million at a time--at UHS speed, that's a read speed of about 3 petabytes/second (24000 Tbps), or a write speed of about 1/5th of that.
Meaning it's actually somewhat reasonable for us to build an information ark.
1/10th of the world GDP.
Have N-ary redundancy for control electronics (like 100-ary or more), with massive data redundancy
Powered by ultra-long-life RTG (again, redundancy) for backup
Encased in a thick-walled box with say...10-20m thick walls.
...and we have enough nuclear weapons to Orion-drive that f$&@er to another star.
or wait 10 years and buy the thumb drive...
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Most of your home SSD is air or plastic housing, btw.
This is something I wondered about for a while with memory cards; long before MicroSD caught on, the actual guts of a regular SD were tiny compared to the package. Always assumed it was some difficulty in addressing that kept them from simply stuffing 8+ sets of 16G card innards into a single card. As it is, with 32G MicroSD retailing at WalMart under $20, around $10 online, and 128s even under $40 on eBay, it seems like some sort of RAIDed unit with a buttload of hot-swappable slots would be getting close to cost effective for expandable storage...if for no other reason than one could keep that ginormous music/video collection arranged across them to swap into the phone or tablet as desired.
(And yes, I do realize that such a collection would have to be truly epic to fill more than one 128G card when everything's downsampled to rates reasonable for a phone speaker or consumer grade Bluetooth A2DP connection. I've got a few days worth of music and a couple hours of video not even half filling a 32G card right now.)
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What's crazy is data volume.
So right now the best microSD a you can actually buy is like 200GB, and it's 11x15x1mm (165mm3), or about 1.25 GB/mm3, and about 400GB/g (and $0.5/GB)
That means a cubic meter of microSD cards (6.06 million of them) would:
1. cost $600 million
2. Mass approx 3 metric tons (6600lbs)
3. Hold 1.2 billion gigabytes. That's 1200 petabytes. (1.2 exabytes)
Given that the human race has generated <10 zettabytes, that means that the entirety of the human race's information could be put into a cube less than 20 meters in a side, costing $6 trillion.
The -crazier- part is if you increased the volume to ~25 meter cube, you could have each card be accessed.
If done properly, you could probably access about 0.1% of them simultaneously, or about 60million at a time--at UHS speed, that's a read speed of about 3 petabytes/second (24000 Tbps), or a write speed of about 1/5th of that.
Meaning it's actually somewhat reasonable for us to build an information ark.
1/10th of the world GDP.
Have N-ary redundancy for control electronics (like 100-ary or more), with massive data redundancy
Powered by ultra-long-life RTG (again, redundancy) for backup
Encased in a thick-walled box with say...10-20m thick walls.
...and we have enough nuclear weapons to Orion-drive that f$&@er to another star.
Star Trek: TNG did this in the episode 'The Inner Light'.
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Leave it to Birdman to do the math! :laugh:
Thanks - that was interesting, especially the cost. I wonder what those $ numbers will be in five years?
A 512gb micro SD was supposed to be out last year, but I did a quick search and didn't see it for sale anywhere. Projected price was around $1000.
http://www.androidcentral.com/theres-512gb-microsd-card-coming-july-you-likely-cant-afford-it
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What's crazy is data volume.
So right now the best microSD a you can actually buy is like 200GB, and it's 11x15x1mm (165mm3), or about 1.25 GB/mm3, and about 400GB/g (and $0.5/GB)
That means a cubic meter of microSD cards (6.06 million of them) would:
1. cost $600 million
2. Mass approx 3 metric tons (6600lbs)
3. Hold 1.2 billion gigabytes. That's 1200 petabytes. (1.2 exabytes)
Given that the human race has generated <10 zettabytes, that means that the entirety of the human race's information could be put into a cube less than 20 meters in a side, costing $6 trillion.
The -crazier- part is if you increased the volume to ~25 meter cube, you could have each card be accessed.
If done properly, you could probably access about 0.1% of them simultaneously, or about 60million at a time--at UHS speed, that's a read speed of about 3 petabytes/second (24000 Tbps), or a write speed of about 1/5th of that.
Meaning it's actually somewhat reasonable for us to build an information ark.
1/10th of the world GDP.
Have N-ary redundancy for control electronics (like 100-ary or more), with massive data redundancy
Powered by ultra-long-life RTG (again, redundancy) for backup
Encased in a thick-walled box with say...10-20m thick walls.
...and we have enough nuclear weapons to Orion-drive that f$&@er to another star.
And we should fill it with Insane Clown Posse "Miracles", Rebecca Black "Friday", a backup of 4Chan, and cat memes, and all the dick pics from Tinder.
For some reason, I've been stuck on what NASA would be like if Deadpool were in charge of it.
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Re the 16TB SSDs I mentioned earlier?
768TB in a 2U chassis. 2 million iops. 16PB per rack, with 42 million iops. Probably for only $10 million per rack.
For non-geeks, to put this in perspective, Wikipedia is 12GB compressed. 70GB for the pictures. Let's call it a 100GB. You could keep 160,000 copies of wikipedia on hand.
Google's entire index is only 200TB. For $10m, you could keep 80 copies of Google around.
You'd only need 5 of these to store all the uploaded Youtube videoes per year.
At SSD speeds. 653,594,771 SSDs, at $7000. $4,575,163,398,692 all of humanity's data at SSD speed. Still pretty expensive, and ignoring ancillary costs like housing, network, etc.
Now if you didn't care about speed or compactness, there's the BackBlaze Storage Pod 5.0. $7,974 per 180TB, or $0.044/GB
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/cloud-storage-hardware/
55,555,556 pods to store 10ZB * $7974 = $443,000,003,544. A paltry $443 billion dollars to store all of humanity's information. And all you'd need to do is network them. Or more likely, store only the indexes online and keep the pods themselves sealed up and offline. So for half a trillion dollars, you could get a turnkey system with everything you needed, storage side. At 1/12 the price of MicroSD or SSD!
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For non-geeks, to put this in perspective, Wikipedia is 12GB compressed. 70GB for the pictures. Let's call it a 100GB. You could keep 160,000 copies of wikipedia on hand.
If I had won the Powerball, putting Wikipedia on paper tape was one possible misuse of the money.
I'd probably make it back in admission to see the damn thing, though. $1 to get in, $5 for a pic inside the warehouse, etc.
Of course, getting Jimmy Wales a razor was also on the list. Some guys should never do the stubble look.
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Re the 16TB SSDs I mentioned earlier?
768TB in a 2U chassis. 2 million iops.
That'll run Splunk nicely. :D
Chris
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I wonder if you misremember the specs. My recollection was that when the 386sx was current, 40, 80 and 120mb drives were all the rage. 500mb would have been monstrously large in the early 90s.
I'll have to go down to the basement and look. It's still there....
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I wonder if you misremember the specs. My recollection was that when the 386sx was current, 40, 80 and 120mb drives were all the rage. 500mb would have been monstrously large in the early 90s.
Yup; around 93-94 I was upgrading all the drives for an architect's office to 400MB.
Of course, he also got one of the first large format flatbed scanners in town, which we set up and tested. Somewhere on a backup, I bet I still have the scan of the cute office assistant's boobs.
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A case of new Seagate drives anyone?
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These are all pics of computer rigs I have had through the years and gear I have had. Yeah, I speak a little geek...
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Put on some pants - this is a family forum. :P
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Those are shorts, not underwear thankyouverymuch!
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Seagate hard drives? No thanks!
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Seagate hard drives? No thanks!
Seagate was da bomb back in the day ...
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Ah, the days when ones computer came with at least one programming language option (and oftentimes, two, if you were handy with Debug,)
Of course, back then, many programs were found in magazines & you had the "joy" of typing in 400 lines of BASIC code and hoping you didn't make a typo.
Then there was the REAL PITA of finding out that a given program was actually for a flavor of BASIC that wasn't actually compatible with the one your computer had....
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Did several of those. Wife would type during the day and when I'd get home I would debug.
Hours of fun working on it together.