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Title: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: Ben on January 27, 2016, 11:11:33 AM
Institute for Highway Safety comparison of an 09 Malibu and a '59 Bel Air in a head on crash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPF4fBGNK0U
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: lupinus on January 27, 2016, 11:27:40 AM
Is this the one where they essentially say bel air guy is borked and Malibu dude limps away with a bruise on his knee?


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Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: K Frame on January 27, 2016, 12:15:36 PM
Unpossible. Everyone knows if an old, big car hits a new, small, car, the new, small car will be turned into a singularity.
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: wmenorr67 on January 27, 2016, 12:29:23 PM
I know for the children but I just want to cry seeing that '59 destroyed, all just for the sake of science.
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: Ben on January 27, 2016, 12:46:35 PM
Unpossible. Everyone knows if an old, big car hits a new, small, car, the new, small car will be turned into a singularity.

I just find modern passenger compartment engineering to be fascinating. Both vehicles look like they take the same damage up to the firewall, but then it just keeps going on the Bel Air. Also passenger restraints and passive protection.

Before it was even the law, I always wore my seatbelt in the '71 Mach 1 I had in High School because it just made sense, but when you compare that hip belt protection to the passenger protection in a modern vehicle, it's almost like, why bother? :)

Edit: I should rephrase to "it looks like they take the same damage up to the firewall". I know that the force is being distributed differently.
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: brimic on January 27, 2016, 12:48:10 PM
Fuzzy dice vs airbags...

What's that curb feeler looking thing sticking out of the driver side wheel well of the '59?
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: brimic on January 27, 2016, 12:49:37 PM
I just find modern passenger compartment engineering to be fascinating. Both vehicles look like they take the same damage up to the firewall, but then it just keeps going on the Bel Air. Also passenger restraints and passive protection.

Before it was even the law, I always wore my seatbelt in the '71 Mach 1 I had in High School because it just made sense, but when you compare that hip belt protection to the passenger protection in a modern vehicle, it's almost like, why bother? :)

A hip belt snapped my spine in an accident 25ish years ago- its might actually be safer to not wear one.
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: vaskidmark on January 27, 2016, 01:55:33 PM
Fuzzy dice vs airbags...

What's that curb feeler looking thing sticking out of the driver side wheel well of the '59?

The thingummy at the rear wheel?  It's part of the crash testing stuff.

BTW - did anybody else notice the about of dirt and dust coming out from behinf the Bel Aire's front wheel wells?

stay safe.
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: K Frame on January 27, 2016, 02:02:18 PM
"BTW - did anybody else notice the about of dirt and dust coming out from behinf the Bel Aire's front wheel wells?"

First generation energy absorption system...

Or bad car washing.
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: Fly320s on January 27, 2016, 02:09:36 PM
Or 50 years of dust, dirt, and dander getting caught in there.
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: bedlamite on January 27, 2016, 04:13:52 PM
Not that I want to see one destroyed, but I wonder how a 64-66 Chrysler imperial would do.
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: charby on January 27, 2016, 05:59:58 PM
I know for the children but I just want to cry seeing that '59 destroyed, all just for the sake of science.

It's a 4 door, smash all the 4 doors.
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: dm1333 on January 27, 2016, 06:01:28 PM
I'll stick with these new fangled vehicles and their fancy schmancy air bags.  Rear ended, while stopped, by a Chevy HHR doing 50 and knocked into an oncoming truck.  I walked away with a sore neck.  That wouldn't have happened in my first car, a 1963 Chevelle.
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: brimic on January 28, 2016, 10:11:51 AM
I'll stick with these new fangled vehicles and their fancy schmancy air bags.  Rear ended, while stopped, by a Chevy HHR doing 50 and knocked into an oncoming truck.  I walked away with a sore neck.  That wouldn't have happened in my first car, a 1963 Chevelle.

But you can't make a pimptastic Donk out of a 09 malibu.
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: KD5NRH on January 28, 2016, 10:32:18 AM
Or 50 years of dust, dirt, and dander getting caught in there.

Which, to me, raises the question of whether its frame was actually roadworthy.  50 years with old road salt on it will make almost any piece of steel into lacework.  Build a '59 to factory spec with fresh metal and try it again.

Personally, when I see all occupants of a diesel locomotive liquified by a high speed collision with a subcompact, I'll stop believing that heavy and strong is better protection.  OTOH, I still prefer agility and good driver training to avoid most collisions in the first place.
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: brimic on January 28, 2016, 11:43:12 AM
Which, to me, raises the question of whether its frame was actually roadworthy.  50 years with old road salt on it will make almost any piece of steel into lacework.  Build a '59 to factory spec with fresh metal and try it again.

Personally, when I see all occupants of a diesel locomotive liquified by a high speed collision with a subcompact, I'll stop believing that heavy and strong is better protection.  OTOH, I still prefer agility and good driver training to avoid most collisions in the first place.

Except a '59 Bel Air and a 2009 Malibu are within 100-150lbs in weight- the crash test is actually a pretty good apples to apples comparison.
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: Ben on January 28, 2016, 11:52:49 AM
Except a '59 Bel Air and a 2009 Malibu are within 100-150lbs in weight- the crash test is actually a pretty good apples to apples comparison.

Plus, while mass matters, mass only accounts for so much. Part of this is the engineering of how the energy is absorbed and distributed.
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: KD5NRH on January 28, 2016, 12:11:51 PM
Plus, while mass matters, mass only accounts for so much. Part of this is the engineering of how the energy is absorbed and distributed.

Which, again, could be significantly effected by a rusty frame rail, or even a worn out engine mount that gives way instead of adding to the rigidity of the front end.
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: 41magsnub on January 28, 2016, 12:25:58 PM
Which, to me, raises the question of whether its frame was actually roadworthy.  50 years with old road salt on it will make almost any piece of steel into lacework.  Build a '59 to factory spec with fresh metal and try it again.

Personally, when I see all occupants of a diesel locomotive liquified by a high speed collision with a subcompact, I'll stop believing that heavy and strong is better protection.  OTOH, I still prefer agility and good driver training to avoid most collisions in the first place.

 ;/
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: TommyGunn on January 28, 2016, 01:01:32 PM
Which, again, could be significantly effected by a rusty frame rail, or even a worn out engine mount that gives way instead of adding to the rigidity of the front end.

Yea yea yea......just give me an M1A1 Abrahms Tank so I can drive over all you  slow poke jackwagons!
 >:D


(Just kidding! :angel: )
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: KD5NRH on January 28, 2016, 01:56:03 PM
Yea yea yea......just give me an M1A1 Abrahms Tank so I can drive over all you  slow poke jackwagons!

But it's so big, heavy and stiff you'll be vaporized if you hit a Vespa.
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: Ben on January 28, 2016, 01:59:30 PM
Which, again, could be significantly effected by a rusty frame rail, or even a worn out engine mount that gives way instead of adding to the rigidity of the front end.

The point is that you don't want a rigid front end. No point in having it take zero damage if it transfers the energy to your squishy body.
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: K Frame on January 28, 2016, 02:01:01 PM
"Build a '59 to factory spec with fresh metal and try it again."

And it would still look like it caught the wrong end of a meteor.

Read this for more information.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/18/more-details-about-1959-bel-air-crash-test/?_r=0

Of course, in the comments, the conspiracy theorists are just freaking the hell out....
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: K Frame on January 28, 2016, 02:06:17 PM
Good images here:

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/26/pics-aplenty-iihs-reveals-before-and-after-of-malibu-bel-air-cr/


And more information here:

http://jalopnik.com/5364071/yes-the-iihs-crashed-59-chevy-had-an-engine


And, despite all that, I'm sure the retardo-monkeys are still screaming "NO ENGINE! BODY PANELS MADE OF AMERICAN CHEEZE! CRASH TEST DUMMY WAS DEAD BEFORE HE WAS PUT IN THE CAR!"
Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: Ben on January 28, 2016, 02:16:59 PM
Good images here:

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/26/pics-aplenty-iihs-reveals-before-and-after-of-malibu-bel-air-cr/


And more information here:

http://jalopnik.com/5364071/yes-the-iihs-crashed-59-chevy-had-an-engine


And, despite all that, I'm sure the retardo-monkeys are still screaming "NO ENGINE! BODY PANELS MADE OF AMERICAN CHEEZE! CRASH TEST DUMMY WAS DEAD BEFORE HE WAS PUT IN THE CAR!"

I love the comment from the guy claiming they planted shaped charges timed to go off on impact, and also used "thermate".  :laugh:
Title: Re:
Post by: K Frame on January 28, 2016, 02:37:16 PM
That reminds me.  I need to put thermate on my shopping list...

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Title: Re: Crash Test - Old vs New
Post by: KD5NRH on January 28, 2016, 02:56:29 PM
No point in having it take zero damage if it transfers the energy to your squishy body.

Having been in the exact result of a 1963 Plymouth hitting a 1982 Ford square in the middle of the back bumper at 30mph, my squishiness walked away from it just fine, as did the Plymouth's roughly equally squishy driver.

I'm sure things would have been uglier had her car not had 3 point belts, which I assume were a retrofit.  Proper restraints would do a lot more for safety than crumple zones, but people who can't resist digging in the back floorboard while cruising down the freeway don't like 5 point harnesses, and certainly wouldn't put up with non-auto-tensioning ones that keep you right there in the damn seat in front of the damn steering wheel paying attention to your damn driving so you won't need to test the crashworthiness.

IMO, they also need to add a section to the driving test where the examiner asks a series of questions while going down the road.  If you can't listen and respond without staring at the examiner, you fail.
(ETA: then have a second examiner call your cell phone with more questions.  If you put it on speaker, then continue holding it up in front of your face, the one in the car with you activates his ejection seat and the 5-second delay on the car's self destruct device.)