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http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/white-midwife-works-to-give-birth-to-a-black-revolution/
You would all feel better about yourselves if you personally paid reparations.
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http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/white-midwife-works-to-give-birth-to-a-black-revolution/
“You can’t steal from people and then say, ‘Let’s just get along,’ ” Hirsch said.
That's quite true . . . in ways that Hirsch does not comprehend.
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Sorry. Black people of African ancestry who were born in the United States of America are no more "African" than I am English or French. My parents didn't own slaves or steal from anyone, and neither did my grandparents. I don't owe reparations to anyone.
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Even if debts progressed through ancestors, I know enough of my family history - we were never slave owners. Just the opposite. When are the blacks going to pay for my family's efforts in freeing them?
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I've got some Native American blood...you all owe me rent! :laugh:
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"Uhuru Solidarity Movement"
They answer the space phone on the Enterprise?
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At least six of my ancestors fought for the Union during the Civil War, at least two died.
The only thing I owe anyone, white, black, or other, is to treat them fairly, value their contributions equally, and not judge them based on some preconceived notion.
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I've got some Native American blood...you all owe me rent! :laugh:
Somewhere deep in my Mom's side there's a slave trader. Reparations? Ha! Blood from a turnip!
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My paternal great grandfather was from Germany and enlisted in a Union Pennsylvania cavalry unit. Was wounded in battle. Maternal grandparents were still in Lithuania during the slaveholder days.
As for reparations, we have already paid out trillions of tax dollars since LBJ created the Federal Plantation. Hasn't seemed to have accomplished anything other than more misery and indentured servitude. Probably has also contributed to the diminishing of intellectual capacity as well, judging from how some folks aren't able to grasp reality.
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"As for reparations, we have already paid out trillions of tax dollars since LBJ created the Federal Plantation. Hasn't seemed to have accomplished anything other than more misery and indentured servitude."
Former coworker posted one of those assisinine memes on his facebook page the other day (he's apparently a big Bernie supporter...) saying that 49 of the 50 poorest counties in the United States are in red states, and laying the blame on Republican policies.
I pointed out that when LBJ declared "war" on poverty over 50 years ago, every one of those counties was a blue county in a blue state.
One has to wonder exactly why they turned red... maybe because blue policies were such an incredible failure for them?
He and his Berniebuds didn't like that one bit.
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I've got some Native American blood...you all owe me rent! :laugh:
I'm a large part Dutch... can I pay you in trinkets?
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I'm a large part Dutch... can I pay you in trinkets?
Sorry, trinkets are not accepted.
Baubles only.
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“You can’t steal from people and then say, ‘Let’s just get along,’ ” Hirsch said.
Okay. Clarification. Did they can get stolen from or just get stolen? Besides, I thought the white slave traders bought them.
What about white indentured servants?
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According to my aunt's research, I had ancestors on both sides of both Wars of Secession. Do I owe myself reparations?
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According to my aunt's research, I had ancestors on both sides of both Wars of Secession. Do I owe myself reparations?
Obviously.
PAY UP, YOU DEADBEAT!
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I have Choctaw and Cherokee blood and one ancestor who owned 2 slaves that were apparently well treated as best we can tell from what few records exist. Not happy about the latter but neither I nor any relative I have ever known was in any responsible for or associated with that. If you hate anyone simply because of their skin color, THOSE are the people I have issues with. BTW, My family on my father's side have been in the US since we were still British colonies and we fought for our independence from the British and the North. As far as I know we don't have any who fought for the Union. I am also descended from a LONG line of Baptist ministers (my dad was the black sheep of his family which explains a LOT about me) including my grandfather, Moses Eli Mercer.
I've given through my taxes since I was 15 and if ya want anything more at this point, all I am giving is copper and lead.
μολὼν λαβέ
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The only thing I owe anyone, white, black, or other, is to treat them fairly, value their contributions equally, and not judge them based on some preconceived notion.
Very well said. As someone who's family didn't arrive on these shores until 1957, I totally agree.
Angel Eyes also hit the nail on the head regarding her "stealing" quote.
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Wasn't this supposed to be the happy colorblind future, character instead of skin color, etc. ?
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Wasn't this supposed to be the happy colorblind future, character instead of skin color, etc. ?
Of course it was.
But that was the white devil's plan, not the plan of the oppressed classes.
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"As for reparations, we have already paid out trillions of tax dollars since LBJ created the Federal Plantation. Hasn't seemed to have accomplished anything other than more misery and indentured servitude."
This. It's kinda funny, there is a substantial racial disparity in the level of governmental support (% of a Y population receiving X benefit*), so one could say that those programs disproportionately benefit certain racial minorities. Correspondingly, federal and state tax income leans the opposite way (again, not total numbers of population, but rather percentage of each), so one could say that the funds are disproportionately taken from the racial majority. Hence, there is a net transfer of wealth from the racial majority to the racial minority disproportionate to their population. If you total up the disparity over the last 40+ years, it actual,y far exceeds ANY number put forth for "reparations" by even the most vehement advocates.
*this method is the best choice, as while the total number and total $ of racial majority folks receiving government benefits is greater than the racial minority side, that still represents a transfer from one to the other when given the source of funds being the other way.
To put in another perspective, if you average over alli white people, they pay X in taxes, and receive Y in direct $ benefits, where X>Y, while for racial minorities, Y>X.
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"As for reparations, we have already paid out trillions of tax dollars since LBJ created the Federal Plantation. Hasn't seemed to have accomplished anything other than more misery and indentured servitude."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keF7Nb_0VBI
Relevant.
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Thank God the Obama presidency is coming to a close.
I don't think the country could survive another four years of his racial healing.
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So, you think the country survived?
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So, you think the country survived?
Touché
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White, Catholic, Irish were brought to North America as slaves a good 10 years before the first African slave was dragged onto a boat headed this way. Mostly children between 6 and 12, plus some older females to serve as "mothers" to the broods of Hell's spawn. (Breeding age males were either "conscripted" into the various armies roaming around Europe at the time or left at home as less-than-serfs to work the lords' fields till they dropped of starvation and/or exhaustion.
Why do we not hear about reparations for the Irish? Seriously, even though it would just be offering free drinks to a drunk, don't they deserve their "fair share"?
Then there's the whole Black African American reparations thing itself. I figure my share is somewhere between $.15 and $0.25. Picture this - I walk up to the first Black African American (are the Brown African Americans going to feel pissed for being left out?) I see and put a quarter in their hand. Some SJW is going to excoriate me when all I wanted to do was pay my share of what Dead White People did to Dead African People. Is that fair? Is it just? Why should I get blamed for starting a race where when all I wanted to do was square things?
While the quarter itself is no big thing everything that follows just does not seem worth it.
stay safe.
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White, Catholic, Irish were brought to North America as slaves a good 10 years before the first African slave was dragged onto a boat headed this way. Mostly children between 6 and 12, plus some older females to serve as "mothers" to the broods of Hell's spawn. (Breeding age males were either "conscripted" into the various armies roaming around Europe at the time or left at home as less-than-serfs to work the lords' fields till they dropped of starvation and/or exhaustion.
Why do we not hear about reparations for the Irish? Seriously, even though it would just be offering free drinks to a drunk, don't they deserve their "fair share"?
Then there's the whole Black African American reparations thing itself. I figure my share is somewhere between $.15 and $0.25. Picture this - I walk up to the first Black African American (are the Brown African Americans going to feel pissed for being left out?) I see and put a quarter in their hand. Some SJW is going to excoriate me when all I wanted to do was pay my share of what Dead White People did to Dead African People. Is that fair? Is it just? Why should I get blamed for starting a race where when all I wanted to do was square things?
While the quarter itself is no big thing everything that follows just does not seem worth it.
stay safe.
You can't expect people to know actual history you know. That is going way to far.
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hell, I know I had ancestors with slaves. Had family on both sides of the war... actually, probably on both sides of the revolutionary one, too. Maybe even the French-Indian War. And we won't even get into the guy who got Geronimo drunk and then signed a peace treaty with him. :P
and the other side was a bunch of Vikings who rampaged across Europe.
Yet, somehow, despite my family history of thieving, warring and slaving, I highly doubt I would get any satisfaction out of paying money I don't have to pay to someone to whom I owe absolutely nothing.
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hell, I know I had ancestors with slaves. Had family on both sides of the war... actually, probably on both sides of the revolutionary one, too. Maybe even the French-Indian War. And we won't even get into the guy who got Geronimo drunk and then signed a peace treaty with him. :P
and the other side was a bunch of Vikings who rampaged across Europe.
Yet, somehow, despite my family history of thieving, warring and slaving, I highly doubt I would get any satisfaction out of paying money I don't have to pay to someone to whom I owe absolutely nothing.
We can test this. I have Apache ancestors. I'll send you my address, and you can send me a check, and then tell everyone how you feel. :laugh:
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We can test this. I have Apache ancestors. I'll send you my address, and you can send me a check, and then tell everyone how you feel. :laugh:
No, but I'm willing to pick up a couple bottles and come over for a drink. =D
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No, but I'm willing to pick up a couple bottles and come over for a drink. =D
Offering firewater to a redskin Indian Native American is so racist!
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I guess I'll be the only to admit that I have no idea which of my ancestors came over when, or who they did or did not own, or for which causes they fought, prior to about WWII. Grandpa never talked about his time in the CCC.
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Offering firewater to a redskin Indian Native American is so racist!
Depends on the firewater. =D
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Through my dad's side I have direct ancestry to the Mayflower pilgrims. My mom's side were mostly German (and some Irish) immigrants post-Civil War. I honestly have no idea if any of my ancestors owned slaves or not.
If somebody wants to give of their own money to "reparations" that is their business. I don't really care. But as mentioned, the trillions in welfare that have gone mostly to the descendants of slaves has proven that handouts don't actually help. So not only would it be morally egregious to steal from what little wealth I've managed to accumulate to pay reparations, it wouldn't actually accomplish any of the stated goals other than to impoverish (temporarily since I have the temperament to just get on with life and succeed regardless) people like me.
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Reparations to people I've never meet, have not harmed, for injury done to those who are now dead by those who are now dead?
Hmmm... I think I could scrounge up about $3.50.
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The other problem with reparations is, who are they given to?
Let's take Chris Rock's million dollars per person and say we're going to pay that out. To whom? To every black adult? To every black man woman and child? How many times? Because if you created "reparation day" - let's say it was April 15th, and gave every living black person their million dollars, what happens on April 16th?
Because the next day a couple thousand (I'm ballparking) black babies will be born. So they get nothing? Why? Is the cutoff just the people who want to "get theirs now"? I guarantee that thirty years after reparation day, there will be an outcry about the racism and unfairness of giving reparations to a past population, but not giving any money to the current generation.
Or are the people pushing reparations suggesting that every black person born in the US (even those born to recent immigrants or those who immigrate after reparation day) should be given their million (or whatever) in perpetuity?
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Reparations to people I've never meet, have not harmed, for injury done to those who are now dead by those who are now dead?
Hmmm... I think I could scrounge up about $3.50.
What a coincidence!
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o85xHi4t2UsuIY9QA/200.gif)
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You all are missing the point. According to the cultural marxists, all white men owe all black men. Regardless of actual family history, slavery and colonialism is the original sin that infects the white man.
You're all guilty. GUILTY!
I wish I was joking.
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You all are missing the point. According to the cultural marxists, all white men owe all black men. Regardless of actual family history, slavery and colonialism is the original sin that infects the white man.
You're all guilty. GUILTY!
I wish I was joking.
So the women and children are not included?
Can we also wait until most of the black men kill each other? (which apparently seems to happen a lot)
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About 1/4 of my maternal line was in the New World at that time. My paternal line was in Virginia since before we thought up the whole (African) slavery thing. Met lotsa black people with my surname. Guess what I owe them? Nada. I think great, great, great grandfather is the closest one could come to pointing out a slaveowner. But just to make sure I get paid if this happens one ancestor left his established, successful hotel in Alexandria to move to West Virginia to be free. And by free I mean shack up with his black housekeeper. Hey West Virginia peeps, I know what your forefathers did last summer. =D
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A few years back, a former soldier (PLL clerk) got on FB and started up with the reparations and "We were promised 40 acres and mule !!!" BS. He had had issues with the law, was living in section 8 housing, on welfare, and getting EBT, etc....
I asked him to tote up what he had received in .gov assistance over the past few years and to see if it was greater then $90,000 (which was the average going price for 40 acres of farmland (~$85k) and mule (~$5k).
To which I then pointed out that GEN Sherman, expected those new landowners to use that mule to make the land just given, productive. So it's now time to get out and get behind that plow, since you "got your 40 acres and mule in cash and other bennies"....
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To which I then pointed out that GEN Sherman, expected those new landowners to use that mule to make the land just given, productive. So it's now time to get out and get behind that plow, since you "got your 40 acres and mule in cash and other bennies"....
Good one. I like it.
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Apparently the Japanese are getting into the act (at least Japanese university students). All I have to say to that is, "Over my dead body fatso!"
http://twitchy.com/2016/03/15/uc-davis-students-heavily-traumatized-and-fat-shamed-by-sumo-party-game-demand-reparations/
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Apparently the Japanese are getting into the act (at least Japanese university students). All I have to say to that is, "Over my dead body fatso!"
http://twitchy.com/2016/03/15/uc-davis-students-heavily-traumatized-and-fat-shamed-by-sumo-party-game-demand-reparations/
Bet it's more white kids self appointed activists
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Apparently the Japanese are getting into the act (at least Japanese university students). All I have to say to that is, "Over my dead body fatso!"
http://twitchy.com/2016/03/15/uc-davis-students-heavily-traumatized-and-fat-shamed-by-sumo-party-game-demand-reparations/
Hell, the Japanese-Americans that got screwed over by the WWII internment camps have way more justification for demanding reparations than any African-American.
A hell of a lot of those are still alive and kicking.
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Hell, the Japanese-Americans that got screwed over by the WWII internment camps have way more justification for demanding reparations than any African-American.
A hell of a lot of those are still alive and kicking.
They got reparations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans#Reparations_and_redress
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Hell, the Japanese-Americans that got screwed over by the WWII internment camps have way more justification for demanding reparations than any African-American.
A hell of a lot of those are still alive and kicking.
Only it appears these particular Japanese don't want reparations for that, they apparently want them for being made fun of.
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Only it appears these particular Japanese don't want reparations for that, they apparently want them for being made fun of.
They should appeal to the Hague to have hurt feelz declared a war crime.
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At a time when the ancestors of SOME black people currently living in the USA were being oppressed by slavery, my ancestors were in Eastern Europe being oppressed by cossacks.
I don't owe today's blacks a thing . . . but maybe I should contact Valdimir Putin and demand compensation from him? (Wonder how far I'd get with that . . . :rofl: )
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They got reparations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans#Reparations_and_redress
Some of them.
There was/is a sentiment that it was a bad idea. Even amongst some Japanese. Not many were confused that it was about justice as opposed to salving some folks group conscience
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dang Indians killed my great, great Grandpappy, and I'm still waiting for a check from those casino billionaires. lol
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I'm Welsh. The Britons and Italians owe me reparations.
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I'm Welsh. The Britons and Italians owe me reparations.
Unpossible. "Irwin" is not Williams, or Jones, or Evans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Oq_-Pu3ALM
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I'm primarily German, and some Scots snuck in. My Mom's mother was 75% Welsh, with some Dutch and French thrown in.
My Grandmother's maiden name was Ginnick. Pure Welsh.
My Welsh may be diluted, but I identify with it as strongly as my German roots.
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I'm part French, and part Irish, so I need the Brits and Germans to pay up.
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Don't make us invade. Again.
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Don't make us invade. Again.
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Hey, we already basically paid them reparations. We cleaned up that mess they made dropping a couple hundred thousand never fired rifles in the streets the last time we came to visit. =D
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The Jews and the Italians killed my Lord and Savior.....I demand eternal reparations!
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I'm part French, and part Irish, so I need the Brits and Germans to pay up.
The Russians will be waiting for their cut, since they've had a longstanding claim against the French since 1812 . . .
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The Jews and the Italians killed my Lord and Savior.....I demand eternal reparations!
Hmm ... Seems like the way it supposedly works is that it was through his death that you gained an awful lot. Maybe you owe the Jews and Italians eternal reparations.
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The Russians will be waiting for their cut, since they've had a longstanding claim against the French since 1812 . . .
I doubt it. I figure they got their jollies watching the retreat while pointing and laughing.
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You know, I just had a little epiphany..... Regarding the black slave reparation bushwa.....
You want reparations? Fine... We'll pay reparations. But here's the tradeoff. The moment you cash that check, your butt gets put on a plane/ship/whatever and you get plunked back into whatever part of Africa your ancestors allegedly came from, and here's the kicker, neither you nor your descendants gets to come back.
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Don't make us invade. Again.
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I'm a direct descendant of Rollo, don't make us invade again. Party like it's 900 AD.
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Oh, yes, I did forget the Norse.
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Hmm ... Seems like the way it supposedly works is that it was through his death that you gained an awful lot. Maybe you owe the Jews and Italians eternal reparations.
Hush, you! That kind of logic oppressed me. I demand reparations!
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I'm a direct descendant of Rollo, don't make us invade again. Party like it's 900 AD.
Lamont's friend from Sanford and Son?
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Lamont's friend from Sanford and Son?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I'm a direct descendant of Rollo, don't make us invade again. Party like it's 900 AD.
Kind of hard to get worked up about this guy invading...
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Half Irish, Half (northern) German, Half Jewish.
Everybody freakin' owes me. Brits, Swedes, Italians, French, Russians, Poles, Egyptians, Turks, Iranians, Iraqis, Syrians, everyone of you bastards.
PAY UP !!!!!
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Half Irish, Half (northern) German, Half Jewish.
Everybody freakin' owes me. Brits, Swedes, Italians, French, Russians, Poles, Egyptians, Turks, Iranians, Iraqis, Syrians, everyone of you bastards.
PAY UP !!!!!
That's a lot of halves :)