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Title: Vincente Fox Apologizes
Post by: Ben on May 05, 2016, 11:16:28 AM
I just saw on the news that Vincente Fox has apologized for his "I'm not going to pay for that *%&^$^% wall" comment.

I found it interesting that he did this now. Had he done this after election day if Trump won, that would make sense in the form of smoothing things over for future relations. If he really hates Trump, you'd think he'd be holding his former opinion to keep hispanics riled up. Seems like this would reduce some hispanic anti-Trump rhetoric. Maybe Fox hates Clinton more than he hates Trump?
Title: Re: Vincente Fox Apologizes
Post by: roo_ster on May 05, 2016, 02:10:41 PM
I just saw on the news that Vincente Fox has apologized for his "I'm not going to pay for that *%&^$^% wall" comment.

I found it interesting that he did this now. Had he done this after election day if Trump won, that would make sense in the form of smoothing things over for future relations. If he really hates Trump, you'd think he'd be holding his former opinion to keep hispanics riled up. Seems like this would reduce some hispanic anti-Trump rhetoric. Maybe Fox hates Clinton more than he hates Trump?

I think it costs Fox nothing to apologize and that the prospect of Trump in the White House just became very real for Fox. 
Title: Re: Vincente Fox Apologizes
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 05, 2016, 02:26:45 PM
Hilarious. Also, interesting timing.


Title: Re: Vincente Fox Apologizes
Post by: HankB on May 05, 2016, 10:47:27 PM
I just want to know where Vincente got those 8x10 glossies he used to make Bush 43 dance to his tune . . .
Title: Re: Vincente Fox Apologizes
Post by: Ron on May 06, 2016, 10:47:08 AM
Two possible scenarios.

Fox sees Trump as the strong horse and has moderated his position accordingly. To get the best deal he wants the negotiations to be friendly. The "I've moderated and given up this much on my position, now you have to match me" gambit.

or

Fox has been assured through back channels that Trump is just posing and signaling and has no intention of following through. I've read that Trump is going to be taking banker money for the general election and that they've already put the kibosh on any real future progress against illegal immigration in return.

All speculation at this point of course.    
Title: Re: Vincente Fox Apologizes
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 06, 2016, 11:00:09 AM
Not that anyone cares, but he spells his name with one n. "Vicente."
Title: Re: Vincente Fox Apologizes
Post by: KD5NRH on May 06, 2016, 11:00:50 AM
Fox sees Trump as the strong horse and has moderated his position accordingly. To get the best deal he wants the negotiations to be friendly. The "I've moderated and given up this much on my position, now you have to match me" gambit.

Ideal compromise; Mexico pays for the wall, US provides materials, design and supervision, while illegals build it.
Title: Re: Vincente Fox Apologizes
Post by: roo_ster on May 06, 2016, 11:05:28 AM
Two possible scenarios.

Fox sees Trump as the strong horse and has moderated his position accordingly. To get the best deal he wants the negotiations to be friendly. The "I've moderated and given up this much on my position, now you have to match me" gambit.

or

Fox has been assured through back channels that Trump is just posing and signaling and has no intention of following through. I've read that Trump is going to be taking banker money for the general election and that they've already put the kibosh on any real future progress against illegal immigration in return.

All speculation at this point of course.    

Mexican culture is not nearly as cucked/emasculated/feminized as contemporary American culture.  What the smart set in America see as over the top, vaguely humorous and terribly gauche masculinity; Mexicans see as merely signs that a man is a man.  And now that Trump has backed up his masculine words with actions, he has shown himself to be a big man that other men will defer to.  
Title: Re: Vincente Fox Apologizes
Post by: Ben on May 06, 2016, 11:34:00 AM
Not that anyone cares, but he spells his name with one n. "Vicente."

Thanks, Fistfull.

 =D