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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Scout26 on May 27, 2016, 08:35:10 PM
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I will give that to him. His "I'll debate you Bernie, since Hillary won't." is one of the smartest ways to continuw to drive the trainwreck that is the Democrat nominating process toward that cliff. The Democrats and the liberal media have done a pretty good job of protecting Hillary and doing everything they can to marginalize Bernie. Her refusing to debate Bernie prior to the California primary was just another attempt (along with DWS scheduling debates for Saturday nights), to keep Bernie out of the public eye.
So Trump elevating Bernie to what will probably be a major prime time event (and bring lots of popcorn because Trump v Bernie will be a hoot), while Hillary sits on the sde lines wondering what happened. The best thing is is that there is no good option for Hillary. If does now agree to a debate, she's seen as weak and afraid. If she sits it out, she's seen as unwilling to "debate anytime, anywhere" as she has previously stated (on video).
Meanwhile, Bernie and Trump could both tell her "No, you had your chance." Plus it would seem more like a presidential debate. Plus with the Bernie's Siren song of Communism Fascism Socialism Democratic Socialism will pull more low information voters toward him away from Hillary.
Meaning that the Democrat Convention in Philly will put the '68 Chicago Convention to shame. Just wait until all the Bern-bots and the Anti-Trumpers get together once they figure out that Hillary is stealing the election from their guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arZdeg_fL-I
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Trump protesters also don't seem to be aware that they're working for him.
It's a national-scale version of what happened here in Wisconsin. The voters were so put off at the leftist antics in the Capitol, that it turned out the base, and turned the moderates out in droves, and Scott Walker won his recall with a larger percentage and turnout than his actual election.
There's always been a subset of people who are always voting against a candidate, than they are for one, but mass protests of people waving Mexican flags and other assorted asshattery will churn out a voting base of people voting against an entire demographic.
If Trump wins, National-level politics will never be the same. The upside is, that in a way, it'll be more honest, because it's often been a personality/popularity contest more than one of ideology and policy, and for a generation or more, election cycles will be about asshattery and out-honeybadgering the competition. It started in earnest with the first televised debates between Kennedy and Nixon.
The downside of course, is that for a generation or more, election cycles will be about asshattery and out-honeybadgering the competition.
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Rush made an interesting comment today in saying that the Democrats, if they ever told the truth about what they were about, would never ever get elected. In other words they lie through their teeth...always. Bernie, on the other hand is straight up saying what the D's are as a party and a philosophy of government. He is actually the face of the Real Democrat Party. If Trump actually debates him, Bernie gets a huge audience exposing the truth about D's.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/27/trump-nixes-proposed-debate-with-sanders.html?intcmp=hpbt1
Looks like the entertainment is postponed or cancelled.
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No debate? Really lame move Trump. No suprise though.
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No debate? Really lame move Trump. No su(r)prise though.
While withdrawing his agreement to the debate seems awkward, there is no purpose for a debate between Trump and Sanders. Sanders is going nowhere. Trump needs to debate Hillary.
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Trump is a master of saying things that don't ever happen,
You've heard of the phrase Indian giver, well Trump is an Indian gliber in that he manages to say things in a way that sounds like he's making a promise but instead turns out to be not what you thought after all.
He is to his core fundamentally dishonest and is always looking for a way to screw over everybody he deals with.
When lefties and progressives and socialists et al whine and complain about mega-rich, sociopathic businessmen who use their money and influence to hurt workers or the little guy they're talking about people like Trump.
He is their demon. Their archetype of villainy. And he's real, they didn't have to invent him.
Now they are a stupid, ignorant and malicious group so they conflate all non-left businessmen with Trump.
So thanks to The Donald and other manipulators like him it makes it harder to point out that business and the people involved are a huge positive in this world and that putting unnneeded restraints on them harms us all by making us poorer.
That's who just got the needed number of delegates for the Republican nomination.
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Did he ever mean to"debate" with Larry David? Did he just talk about it in order to put Clinton's wife in her place, and draw support away from her? Is this just another power move, to bolster his status as the one in the driver's seat of this election campaign season?
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Why would he want to debate Bernie? It would just elevate Bernie's status. By getting the story going, he's called attention to Hillary's refusal to debate. That's all he needs to get out of this.
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Why would he want to debate Bernie? It would just elevate Bernie's status.
Which would further divide the Democratic Party, and weaken their presumptive nominee.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rush_Limbaugh_Show#Operation_Chaos
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One thing I've been reading about is Trump's ability to pull in former bernie supporters. He's unlikely to pull in the ones liberal and dedicated enough to show up at bernie events, but the ones who were voting for bernie much the same way many conservatives were voting for trump - "Anybody but establishment!", might be pulled by Trump. Who isn't actually a conservative.
So by not debating Bernie, he doesn't point out in their minds the differences between the two. The liberal leaning but still anti-establishment types can switch to Trump in the general election.
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Trump picks up a key endorsement:
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/north-korean-newspaper-endorses-wise-donald-trump-over-165504182.html
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Trump picks up a key endorsement:
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/north-korean-newspaper-endorses-wise-donald-trump-over-165504182.html
Common values
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:rofl:
Yesterday on the way to work I caught the first part of Trumps press conference about his donations to veterans groups.
It was epic, best news conference ever! Seriously though ;) I actually laughed out loud several times. I wish I was able to hear the whole thing it was so amazing. He spent the whole time I listened insulting them (the press) to their faces.
He continually called them liars and dishonest, the ones right in the room with him! I couldn't believe my ears. These weren't local press people, it was all the big guns. He attacked Major Garret full on. I was flabbergasted. Apparently it went on for a long time after the ten minutes I heard.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/31/politics/donald-trump-veterans-announcement/
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Seems the urinalists are all butt hurt about being called out publically for being a bunch of sleaze balls.
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Apparently later in the day he also let Katie Couric have it.
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:rofl:
Yesterday on the way to work I caught the first part of Trumps press conference about his donations to veterans groups.
It was epic, best news conference ever! Seriously though ;) I actually laughed out loud several times. I wish I was able to hear the whole thing it was so amazing. He spent the whole time I listened insulting them (the press) to their faces.
He continually called them liars and dishonest, the ones right in the room with him! I couldn't believe my ears. These weren't local press people, it was all the big guns. He attacked Major Garret full on. I was flabbergasted. Apparently it went on for a long time after the ten minutes I heard.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/31/politics/donald-trump-veterans-announcement/
So did he ever find the missing 5i mill
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There isn't $5 million missing.
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There isn't $5 million missing.
Oh, here come the die-hard Trumpkins, always defending Trump. ;)
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There isn't $5 million missing.
Gregor: So, what colour *is* the boathouse at Hereford?
Sam: How the *expletive deleted*ck should I know?
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Trump read off every veterans' group that received money, and how much, at his news conference the other day. The total came to $5.6 million, which is how much the drive has taken in so far.
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And in conventional arithmetic, 5.6 rounds up to 6.
Does that make Trump not such a bad guy after all? I'm leaning in the direction of thinking that if the Democrats hate him, the Republicans hate him, the media hate him, and half the rest of the world hates him ... he's probably the man for the job.
I may have commented previously that for the past several months I have been receiving e-mails from the Republican party, soliciting funds to basically stop Trump. Got another one yesterday, but with a switch. The sender showed up as "TheTrumpTeam." But ... there was a familiar looking red "DONATE" box at the bottom. A little sleuthing revealed that the full address was TheTrumpTeam@GOP.org (or something like that). So the Rs have switched from using his name to collect money to stop him, to using his name to ... collect money. I wonder how much of whatever they get will go to help Trump's campaign, and how much will go toward sabotaging him ...
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/05/24/what-we-know-and-what-we-dont-about-the-money-donald-trump-raised-for-veterans/
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And a,lil over a,month earlier
http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/722990
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In upside down inside out world it is Hillary and the leftwing press who should get credit for the donations. I love the breathless and accusatory tone of the WashPo article, as if they are discussing a major scandal.
They held Trumps feet to the fire and "made" him pay up!
Honestly, that is the media narrative.
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^^^^^^And who knows if the reporter is lying? MSM hasn't got much of a track record for accuracy.
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In upside down inside out world it is Hillary and the leftwing press who should get credit for the donations. I love the breathless and accusatory tone of the WashPo article, as if they are discussing a major scandal.
They held Trumps feet to the fire and "made" him pay up!
Honestly, that is the media narrative.
Lots of folks narrative
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/271712-report-trump-has-donated-less-than-half-of-6m-promised
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/22/trump-vets-chair-charity-money-not-my-problem.html
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http://www.weaselzippers.us/274624-vets-group-that-called-trump-cheap-fraud-spent-millions-boosting-democrats/
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http://www.weaselzippers.us/274624-vets-group-that-called-trump-cheap-fraud-spent-millions-boosting-democrats/
Two employees and no volunteers and outspent several large NGOs combined. It's like a democrat version of a money laundering front.
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Lots of folks narrative
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/271712-report-trump-has-donated-less-than-half-of-6m-promised
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/22/trump-vets-chair-charity-money-not-my-problem.html
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Nice try, but the $5.6 million is accounted for. These "stories" are the reason Trump had a press conference. :facepalm:
Here's a suggestion. Get all the facts, weigh them and then post. ;/ ;/
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Two employees and no volunteers and outspent several large NGOs combined. It's like a democrat version of a money laundering front.
... like the Clinton Foundation?
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Nice try, but the $5.6 million is accounted for. These "stories" are the reason Trump had a press conference. :facepalm:
Here's a suggestion. Get all the facts, weigh them and then post. ;/ ;/
It's kinda interesting following the various stories and narratives from within the trump camp
http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/05/31/donald-trump-finally-comes-clean-veterans-contributions-video/
He did finally pay up.
http://www.npr.org/2016/05/31/480163943/questions-over-trumps-donations-to-veterans-boil-over
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Did you even read what you posted?
2/3rds of what was raised was disbursed prior the press going on the attack. The final 1/3rd was sent by Trump, mostly his personal money, within the last week to ten days.
Again, get all the facts then post.
And you have a lot of room to talk about donations, accountability, and not following through. I have never received anything from you about what raised here over a year ago....
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Best thread ever.
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Did you even read what you posted?
2/3rds of what was raised was disbursed prior the press going on the attack. The final 1/3rd was sent by Trump, mostly his personal money, within the last week to ten days.
Again, get all the facts then post.
And you have a lot of room to talk about donations, accountability, and not following through. I have never received anything from you about what raised here over a year ago....
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/trump-detail-fundraising-veterans-charities-39500595
http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-adviser-admits-he-has-no-idea-what-happened-to-that-veterans-rally-charity-money/
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/veterans-groups-outside-iowa-still-waiting-trump-money
Seems the media has been on him for months. And it's telling that amongst the last of the pledges fulfilled was the Donalds himself.
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I agree with the First Sergeant.
There are a LOT of scam charities out there that collect a lot of money in the name of Veterans, yet only give pennies on the dollar (if any) to actually benefit Veterans. *cough* Wounded Warrior Project *cough*. So taking the time to vet them and make sure that money goes to those charities that do the most good is very important aspect of giving. But if it is more important just to throw money at charities, then the MSM (and you by extension) would have been all over him for giving money to shitty charities.
So get off your G-d damn high horse. No one's audited your ass yet, as I noticed you ignored my final comment in that post.
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Key phrase from above link. The Donald's personal check was amongst the last received . But it's all a negotiation right
2. Trump made the $1 million personal donation to veterans groups a week ago and only after WaPo’s David Fahrenthold did a deep dive into where the promised money went. That was four months after the speech/fundraiser where Trump trumpeted that he had donated the money.
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Key phrase from above link. The Donald's personal check was amongst the last received . But it's all a negotiation right
2. Trump made the $1 million personal donation to veterans groups a week ago and only after WaPo’s David Fahrenthold did a deep dive into where the promised money went. That was four months after the speech/fundraiser where Trump trumpeted that he had donated the money.
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The reason you are getting so little traction here on this subject is because you are just regurgitating talking points and a narrative that isn't obviously "true". You are accepting an interpretation of events as presented by Trumps enemies. The problem is they are a bunch of liars, so why trust them on this one issue? Even though I haven't supported Trump I view this as a non issue.
Trump University is looking to be an issue that can hurt him. The real estate industry is littered with scam mentoring classes/gurus. It's looking like Trump lent his "brand" to one of these questionable enterprises and it will probably hurt him, rightly so.
The woman making claims against him and Epstein will sink him if there is any truth to her stories. So far there is very little out there about this so who knows?
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I don't think epsteins can sink a guy who brags about going after married women in a way that reminds me of wilt the stilt
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Seems to me I heard that the Clintons got paid several million dollars for pimping for a world wide college thing that is under fire for scamming students.
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Key phrase from above link. The Donald's personal check was amongst the last received . But it's all a negotiation right
2. Trump made the $1 million personal donation to veterans groups a week ago and only after WaPo’s David Fahrenthold did a deep dive into where the promised money went. That was four months after the speech/fundraiser where Trump trumpeted that he had donated the money.
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Keep trying and you too can get a job in MSM.
RUSH: Marine Corps-Law Enforcement Foundation, Jim Kallstrom, the former head of the New York office of the FBI is now one of the executive directors of MC-LEF, and as you know, this program is involved deep well MC-LEF, as is the Rush Revere Time Travel Adventures with Exceptional Americans book series, Two If By Tea. We are sponsors of the Marine Corps-Law Enforcement Foundation.
If you recall, the Harry Reid letter that he wrote to the former CEO of Clear Channel demanding that I be made to apologize and maybe forced to resign over unfairly calling a veteran a phony soldier. We auctioned that Harry Reid letter, and I agreed to match whatever it raised. And $4 million was donated to the Marine Corps Law, 4.2, actually. It sold on eBay for $2.1 million, and I had agreed to match it, so it was $4.2 million to MC-LEF. And I was at the event that Trump was honored. He was sitting, for what it's worth, two tables over. But I was at that event, just to attest that it happened.
I want you to hear, Kallstrom was on CNN today. Carol Costello was hoping, hoping that Kallstrom would somehow contradict what Trump had said. She said, "Mr. Trump pledged $1 million of his own money to one organization. Was it yours?"
KALLSTROM: We did get a million dollars from Donald. He's been a big supporter of veterans groups for close to four decades now, Carol. I knew for some time that we were gonna be the recipient. I didn't know the actual amount. But I guess it was about a week ago. Don't hold me to that. Some week ago, ten days ago, and we actually received money.
RUSH: Yeah. And I was there. I think it was like two Aprils ago. Maybe it's in March. But it's always at the Waldorf-Astoria in the grand ballroom there. And Trump was the award winner and the recipient that year.
From: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/05/31/the_press_conference_republican_voters_have_wanted_to_see_for_years
Rush Limbaugh's Tuesday, 31 May show. So Trump was honored by the MC-LEF TWO YEARS ago. But yeah, the fact that his donation was the last one "sent", just goes to show that he had no intention of following through until the MSM started hounding him... ;/ ;/ ;/
Neither I, nor Rush, are fans of Trump. But this is a non-issue, and made up out of whole cloth. I'd really like to see the Clinton Global Initiative get this kind of scrutiny by not on the press, but also the IRS. Like what they did to all the TEA party groups.
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I agree. I really don't like trump... but i'm not gonna invent *expletive deleted*it to push my dislike
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I agree. I really don't like trump... but i'm not gonna invent *expletive deleted*it to push my dislike
You won't need to you almost need staff to handle the input coming straight from the Donald
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You won't need to you almost need staff to handle the input coming straight from the Donald
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You know, this smacks of the MSNBC piece that basically lambasts Trump for personally responding to news inquiries and saying what's on his mind instead of hiring "a campaign team" to "drive a message."
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You know, this smacks of the MSNBC piece that basically lambasts Trump for personally responding to news inquiries and saying what's on his mind instead of hiring "a campaign team" to "drive a message."
You know have to give us links to the stupid, right? Don't be a tease.
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You know have to give us links to the stupid, right? Don't be a tease.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-does-not-have-campaign-n586356