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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: T.O.M. on May 30, 2016, 04:17:52 PM
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I'm sure many have heard about this by now.
http://m.wlwt.com/news/police-responding-incident-at-cincinnati-zoo/39773436
Long story short. Kid gets through fencing, falls in with gorillas. 17 year old 400 lb. ale gorilla takes kid for a drag. Tosses kid around. Zoo has DART (Dangerous Animal Reaction Team) shoot the gorilla. Kid suffered minor injuries. People think (a) mom should be prosecuted for neglect/child endangering for letting kid get away, (b) zoo and/or mom should be held liable for death of gorilla, (c) zoo should loser accreditation for not darting gorilla, (d) zoo should be sued out of existence for having such a dangerous display that a little kid could penetrate with ease.
I grew up in Cincinnati. Been to that zoo and that exhibit many times. No sane person would do what the kid did, which involved falling 20 feet or so into that moat. Exhibit has been open 38 year with no prior problem. Where's the negligence?
Kids run away from parents at places like zoos. It happens. From the limited info I know, I don't see neglect.
As for the gorilla, it's a damn shame. They made a tough call. Darting could have created more danger. But come on folks, if it's a choice between the kid and the gorilla...no brainer.
Discuss
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Zoo: 1
Gorilla: 0
SJW: -10
Pretty cut and dried, I think.
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My rambling take:
Firstly, as you said, it's between a kid and the gorilla, so kind of a no-brainer.
The only video snippets I saw made it look almost like the gorilla was protecting the boy. That's me anthropomorphizing, but I have to wonder what would have happened if there wasn't a crowd of people all yelling and screaming and agitating the gorilla? Perhaps that would have been a point at which they could have used tranqulizers?
The zoo made the best decision they could given the circumstances. It's funny, I saw some comments about how it, "Took them nearly ten minutes to do anything!" Because they always keep gorilla snipers handy just for these instances (or would that be guerilla snipers?).
I'm not sure the mom is completely blameless.
Lastly, it's between a kid and a gorilla, so kind of a no-brainer. If it were between the gorilla and an adult human who went into the cage on purpose, I'd be rooting for the gorilla.
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Jack Hannah says killing the gorilla was the right call.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/gorilla-shot-cincinnati-zoo-killed-boy-intervention-expert/story?id=39478421
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If it were between the gorilla and an adult human who went into the cage on purpose, I'd be rooting for the gorilla.
+1 The zoo was in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. They had no good options, and they took the least bad one.
I also have no problem believing the gorilla rescued the boy from the moat, and then got agitated and confused by all the people yelling.
Send mom a bill for whatever a gorilla is worth. ;) She's the one most at fault here, but I can't even blame her all that much without knowing more details. Sometimes *expletive deleted*it just happens. Especially with preschoolers.
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Send mom a bill for whatever a gorilla is worth. ;) She's the one most at fault here, but I can't even blame her all that much without knowing more details. Sometimes *expletive deleted*it just happens. Especially with preschoolers.
Yeah, that's why I weighed in as "not sure". If she's a responsible mom, she's blameless because who can watch a kid every second, and kids are going to do stupid things sometimes. If she's some kind of free range mom like the ones you see in the Walmart on the one cultural side, or at the Trader Joe's at the other cultural side, then I think there's some blame to be placed.
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If mom can't teach junior to heel he should be on a leash.
I'm ok with the zoo pulling trigger because that gorilla situation could have gone bad so fast that nothing could have saved junior and nobody really knew what the 400 pound primate was thinking.
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It did look like the gorilla wanted to care for the boy and was agitated by the screaming. There was another incident (Pittsburgh?) where a female gorilla picked up a child that had fallen in and was injured and carried it to her keepers. Lot's of big scary critters that will maul an adult are often much nicer to pups of any species they encounter.
Unfortunately, gorilla's are not capable of understanding that taking care of little hairless apes that fall into their enclosures is not quiet the same as taking care of their own babies, which is why the child really was in danger, IMHO.
It's sad that they had to shoot him, but they didn't have another option. Even if they could have afforded the time it would take for the tranquilizers to set in, darting him would have likely agitated him even more and made the situation even worse.
From the way I see it, seems like it was just a shitty situation all the way around and playing the blame game is both futile and unnecessary. Mom may be more at fault or maybe not, but we can't tell and toddlers seem to have a death wish anyway.
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It does raise the question of whether primates should be in a zoo in the first place. Although can they survive in the wild now without "help" from zoos? If not, should they survive? (not easy questions)
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I have read several accounts that suggest the parent wasn't neglectful. 4 year olds can be very quick and impulsive, so I can certainly imagine a situation where a kid could get away from an observant parent. I don't see why the zoo or the parent should be liable for the death of the gorilla. It was an unfortunate situation, but the gorilla was certainly agitated and acting violent towards the kid. I think they made the right call.
I don't see a need for anyone to sue anyone, at this point, but I wouldn't be surprised if the frail of the kid sued the zoo for his injuries.
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They make new morons every day... :P
Tough call, and not one I'd want to make as a Zoo admin.
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The gorilla didn't ask to be there.
(https://thecreatorsproject-images.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/no-slug/6638580fd5d80b7b42e4c499474580a5.jpg)
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The local Cincinnati station had coverage of protesters at the zoo, one of the nitwits commenting on how the lives of the gorilla and the child were of equal value. Another had a sign "All animal lives matter". I wonder if BLM will comment on the sign, the juxtaposition of black lives and gorillas has to be racist.
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The local Cincinnati station had coverage of protesters at the zoo, one of the nitwits commenting on how the lives of the gorilla and the child were of equal value. Another had a sign "All animal lives matter". I wonder if BLM will comment on the sign, the juxtaposition of black lives and gorillas has to be racist.
What's funny is that yesterday before the facts were known (the boy was black), a BLM loudmouth had actually complained about a gorilla being killed "to protect white life".
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What's funny is that yesterday before the facts were known (the boy was black), a BLM loudmouth had actually complained about a gorilla being killed "to protect white life".
Shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to discover ignorant assholery being perpetrated by the BLM goons...
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What's funny is that yesterday before the facts were known (the boy was black), a BLM loudmouth had actually complained about a gorilla being killed "to protect white life".
When I read that to Dad, he went "wait... What?" so I reread it. He was completely silent for about a minute and then changed the subject.
I think the sheer stupidity of it caused him to freeze and need a reboot...
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Dart the kid and gorilla. If the gorilla does not pass out fast enough he will loose interest in the kid that's not moving.
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A couple of articles I've seen on it said that the boy told his mom he wanted to go swimming with the gorillas. She told him NO.
I've met some 4 year olds that are sneaky enough to pretend that they'll listen - and then bolt the first chance they get so they can do what they wanted to anyway. But they don't do it every time, so it's really hard to know when it's gonna happen.
Again, sucky situation for everyone involved. I feel bad for the mom (who's probably beating herself up about the whole thing while simultaneously hugging her boy close knowing he could've died). I feel bad for the zoo, who had to make a choice between two super sucky decisions. And I feel bad for the gorilla, but he's gone to the great banana fields in the sky.
Nobody really wins - but at least the kid got to go home.
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Dart the kid and gorilla. If the gorilla does not pass out fast enough he will loose interest in the kid that's not moving.
Kid would have drowned. He was in water.
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Dart the kid and gorilla. If the gorilla does not pass out fast enough he will loose interest in the kid that's not moving.
I'm willing to bet if they didn't keep their gorilla/guerilla SWAT team handy, they probably don't keep a pediatric pharmacologist on hand, either. You give a full gorilla tranquilizer to a kid, I don't even need to know what's in it. I'm gonna bet it'll stop his heart.
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Because this is APS, I'll confess that a minute or two after hearing the story the first time, I thought "hmm, wonder what type of rifle and caiber they used?"
;)
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Because this is APS, I'll confess that a minute or two after hearing the story the first time, I thought "hmm, wonder what type of rifle and caiber they used?"
;)
first thing Dad asked.
The second was "I wonder how many shots?"
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first thing Dad asked.
The second was "I wonder how many shots?"
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Speculation, but I'd bet they aimed for taking out the medula oblongata. Anything else would give the gorilla 5-30 seconds to tear up the kid before passing out. So, I'm going with .308 power level caliber, and one shot.
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Dart the kid and gorilla. If the gorilla does not pass out fast enough he will loose interest in the kid that's not moving.
:rofl:
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The local Cincinnati station had coverage of protesters at the zoo, one of the nitwits commenting on how the lives of the gorilla and the child were of equal value. Another had a sign "All animal lives matter". I wonder if BLM will comment on the sign, the juxtaposition of black lives and gorillas has to be racist.
I read about this on failbook this weekend (I have to stay away from that site, it leads me to telling off a lot of people =| ) and it seems that a very large % of responses were that there are more humans on this earth than gorillas so the gorilla's life is worth more than a human child's.
It's *expletive deleted*it like this that has me praying for a zombie apocalypse or even S.M.O.D.
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I read about this on failbook this weekend (I have to stay away from that site, it leads me to telling off a lot of people =| ) and it seems that a very large % of responses were that there are more humans on this earth than gorillas so the gorilla's life is worth more than a human child's.
Anybody who's claiming that needs to be killed off
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If mom can't teach junior to heel he should be on a leash.
This. I've leashed or carried mine plenty of times when they couldn't be trusted around things a lot less dangerous than a bunch of gorillas.
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A good read
https://www.facebook.com/amanda.odonoughue/posts/1203379586363094 (https://www.facebook.com/amanda.odonoughue/posts/1203379586363094)
I am going to try to clear up a few things that have been weighing on me about Harambe and the Cinci Zoo since I read the news this afternoon.
I have worked with Gorillas as a zookeeper while in my twenties (before children) and they are my favorite animal (out of dozens) that I have ever worked closely with. I am gonna go ahead and list a few facts, thoughts and opinions for those of you that aren't familiar with the species itself, or how a zoo operates in emergency situations.
Now Gorillas are considered 'gentle giants' at least when compared with their more aggressive cousins the chimpanzee, but a 400+ pound male in his prime is as strong as roughly 10 adult humans. What can you bench press? OK, now multiply that number by ten. An adult male silverback gorilla has one job, to protect his group. He does this by bluffing or intimidating anything that he feels threatened by.
Gorillas are considered a Class 1 mammal, the most dangerous class of mammals in the animal kingdom, again, merely due to their size and strength. They are grouped in with other apes, tigers, lions, bears, etc.
While working in an AZA accredited zoo with Apes, keepers DO NOT work in contact with them. Meaning they do NOT go in with these animals. There is always a welded mesh barrier between the animal and the humans.
In more recent decades, zoos have begun to redesign enclosures, removing all obvious caging and attempting to create a seamless view of the animals for the visitor to enjoy watching animals in a more natural looking habitat. *this is great until little children begin falling into exhibits* which of course can happen to anyone, especially in a crowded zoo-like setting.
I have watched this video over again, and with the silverback's postering, and tight lips, it's pretty much the stuff of any keeper's nightmares, and I have had MANY while working with them. This job is not for the complacent. Gorillas are kind, curious, and sometimes silly, but they are also very large, very strong animals. I always brought my OCD to work with me. checking and rechecking locks to make sure my animals and I remained separated before entering to clean.
I keep hearing that the Gorilla was trying to protect the boy. I do not find this to be true. Harambe reaches for the boys hands and arms, but only to position the child better for his own displaying purposes.
Males do very elaborate displays when highly agitated, slamming and dragging things about. Typically they would drag large branches, barrels and heavy weighted balls around to make as much noise as possible. Not in an effort to hurt anyone or anything (usually) but just to intimidate. It was clear to me that he was reacting to the screams coming from the gathering crowd.
Harambe was most likely not going to separate himself from that child without seriously hurting him first (again due to mere size and strength, not malicious intent) Why didn't they use treats? well, they attempted to call them off exhibit (which animals hate), the females in the group came in, but Harambe did not. What better treat for a captive animal than a real live kid!
They didn't use Tranquilizers for a few reasons, A. Harambe would've taken too long to become immobilized, and could have really injured the child in the process as the drugs used may not work quickly enough depending on the stress of the situation and the dose B. Harambe would've have drowned in the moat if immobilized in the water, and possibly fallen on the boy trapping him and drowning him as well.
Many zoos have the protocol to call on their expertly trained dart team in the event of an animal escape or in the event that a human is trapped with a dangerous animal. They will evaluate the scene as quickly and as safely as possible, and will make the most informed decision as how they will handle the animal.
I can't point fingers at anyone in this situation, but we need to really evaluate the safety of the animal enclosures from the visitor side. Not impeding that view is a tough one, but their should be no way that someone can find themselves inside of an animal's exhibit.
I know one thing for sure, those keepers lost a beautiful, and I mean gorgeous silverback and friend. I feel their loss with them this week. As educators and conservators of endangered species, all we can do is shine a light on the beauty and majesty of these animals in hopes to spark a love and a need to keep them from vanishing from our planet. Child killers, they are not. It's unfortunate for the conservation of the species, and the loss of revenue a beautiful zoo such as Cinci will lose. tragedy all around.
*me working (very carefully) with a 400+ pound silverback circa 2009
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Shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to discover ignorant assholery being perpetrated by the BLM goons...
BLACK LIVES MATTER!!!
Fur-less Lives Matter!
What are we talking about again? ???
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Good post Adively. And, as I think this through, having heard/read more crap about how the Zoo should have put up better barricades to keep people out of the exhibit, I can't help but think about the fact that this exhibit it 38 years old. For 38 years, the fence, and shrubbery, and freaking 20 foot deep pit with water at the bottom, did just fine keeping the people and the gorillas apart. Of course, 38 years ago when I went to the zoo as a 10 year old, I never would have thought about trying to cross the fence. I guess now at zoos (for as long as we get to have them before the SJWs convince enough people that zoos are nothing more than prisons for the poor wittle animals) will need to erect barricades to not only keep animals in, but keep people out. Concertina wire will become de rigueur.
God people are stupid.
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I can't help but think that had they tranked the spectators the outcome would have been better.
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If mom can't teach junior to heel he should be on a leash.
I'm ok with the zoo pulling trigger because that gorilla situation could have gone bad so fast that nothing could have saved junior and nobody really knew what the 400 pound primate was thinking.
Done the leash thing before. Not practical in many circumstances, though. Such as multiple kiddos.
I read about this on failbook this weekend (I have to stay away from that site, it leads me to telling off a lot of people =| ) and it seems that a very large % of responses were that there are more humans on this earth than gorillas so the gorilla's life is worth more than a human child's.
It's *expletive deleted*it like this that has me praying for a zombie apocalypse or even S.M.O.D.
We have become un-rooted from any moral grounds these last 100 years. What can you expect?
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I read about this on failbook this weekend (I have to stay away from that site, it leads me to telling off a lot of people =| ) and it seems that a very large % of responses were that there are more humans on this earth than gorillas so the gorilla's life is worth more than a human child's.
We have become un-rooted from any moral grounds these last 100 years. What can you expect?
On the other hand, the lefties are showing a modicum of economic analysis.
Really, this is a breakthrough. We ought to be encouraging that.
(Just like you want to encourage the learning disabled when they are still wrong, but at least headed in the right way.)
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One other thing...
It is very possible that mom in this situation was an irresponsible POS who did not properly supervise her kid. It is also very possible that mom was an on-the-ball gal who took her eyes off Junior for a moment to tend to her other kiddo and Junior took that moment to bum rush into the gorilla cage.
The fact is that little kiddos will manage to get out from parental observation at times. All of them. Unless one is wealthy enough to hire 24/7 supervision. Because parents still have to sleep, drop trou, tend to other kiddos, pay the cashier, etc. The difference is the frequency of such an event, usually dependent on how attentive is the parent.
Zoos are generally considered much more kid-safe than, say, a downtown street. And this (perhaps mistaken) belief in the generally safe nature of a zoo many times will result in looser rein (literally or figuratively) on the kiddos.
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Done the leash thing before. Not practical in many circumstances, though. Such as multiple kiddos.
Toyed with the idea of rigid yokes before my ex wife had her tubes tied after the second one. Prevents the bola effect of multiple leashes.
Fortunately, by the time the oldest was about 4, she responded very well to command voice. Now, she will also grab her sister if needed to make sure both obey a command.
Zoos are generally considered much more kid-safe than, say, a downtown street. And this (perhaps mistaken) belief in the generally safe nature of a zoo many times will result in looser rein (literally or figuratively) on the kiddos.
In the last few days, I've seen three kids who couldn't have been over 12 playing completely unattended on the rocks at the edge of the *very* storm-swollen Bosque River at around 10:30PM in a closed section of the park, and a kid who might have been 5 riding a scooter down a residential street for at least three blocks just before rush hour. No parents in sight, nor any indication the parents think there's anything wrong with it. There have been a few parents taken to task over the years about turning their <10 year old kids loose in the park and leaving. Their argument is always that it's a park, so it's supposed to be safe. I can't imagine what would constitute a looser rein for these kids.
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I thought we didn't like helicoptor parenting. [popcorn]
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I thought we didn't like helicoptor parenting.
That term really only applies when they're doing stuff where it would be appropriate for them to be unattended, or where they are properly attended by other adults. Following a 12 year old 3-4 blocks would be excessive, but a 4-5 year old should never be out in public unsupervised.
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On the other hand, the lefties are showing a modicum of economic analysis.
Really, this is a breakthrough. We ought to be encouraging that.
(Just like you want to encourage the learning disabled when they are still wrong, but at least headed in the right way.)
I saw a few posts that came really, really close to self-awareness and attacking the root of the problem amongst the anti human population screeds- a very low number of responses mentioned a stop to subsidized human breeding. Then again those few responses may have been conservatives trolling as animal rights activists....
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Shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to discover ignorant assholery being perpetrated by the BLM goons...
Like these idiots:
http://imgur.com/zwkSoJv (http://imgur.com/zwkSoJv)
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One other thing...
It is very possible that mom in this situation was an irresponsible POS who did not properly supervise her kid. It is also very possible that mom was an on-the-ball gal who took her eyes off Junior for a moment to tend to her other kiddo and Junior took that moment to bum rush into the gorilla cage.
The fact is that little kiddos will manage to get out from parental observation at times. All of them. Unless one is wealthy enough to hire 24/7 supervision. Because parents still have to sleep, drop trou, tend to other kiddos, pay the cashier, etc. The difference is the frequency of such an event, usually dependent on how attentive is the parent.
Zoos are generally considered much more kid-safe than, say, a downtown street. And this (perhaps mistaken) belief in the generally safe nature of a zoo many times will result in looser rein (literally or figuratively) on the kiddos.
agreed, and what's more, I'll add again, there is the age of "death wish". There are times when I'm watching Emily and I swear to god, she's like a bit of steel and everything that can kill her is a super magnet.
I honestly don't know how you guys do it 24/7. :O
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agreed, and what's more, I'll add again, there is the age of "death wish". There are times when I'm watching Emily and I swear to god, she's like a bit of steel and everything that can kill her is a super magnet.
Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward.
Job 5.7
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agreed, and what's more, I'll add again, there is the age of "death wish". There are times when I'm watching Emily and I swear to god, she's like a bit of steel and everything that can kill her is a super magnet.
I honestly don't know how you guys do it 24/7. :O
They have to sleep some time. (Although if they are just SUPPOSED to be asleep, you will find them trying to find ways for things like a bed to kill them.)
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Gorilla was born into captivity and the kid was black, so all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth about a wild animal killed to protect whitey is especially humorous.
I had no idea zoos had animal SWAT teams standing by with rifles, but it does make a lot of sense. I wonder how you apply for that job? One would think it'd be a lot like PMC's, mostly ex.mil combat vets.
If you want to see crazy hippy vitriol look up Matt Walsh'd twitter feed and the responses he's received for suggesting that human life is more valuable than a gorilla.
My oldest is four, and as other folks have said it is not physically possible to keep eyes on and prevent them from running off at all times.
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If you want to see crazy hippy vitriol look up Matt Walsh'd twitter feed and the responses he's received for suggesting that human life is more valuable than a gorilla.
Oh, yeah, I guess so. After all, it's saying stuff like this that makes you a horrible person, obviously:
While you were crying over a dead ape, 125 thousand babies were just murdered.
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I'm genuinely curious about the percentage of those who are currently outraged about the gorilla, who would be taking exactly the opposite outrage had the zoo done nothing and had the boy ended up seriously injured or dead. Especially given his race. I would then be interested in correlating how many in that percentage identified as SJWs.
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Another interesting viewpoint, very good read.
https://writerdreamerbeliever.wordpress.com/2016/05/30/if-its-yours-its-yours/ (https://writerdreamerbeliever.wordpress.com/2016/05/30/if-its-yours-its-yours/)
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Gorilla was born into captivity and the kid was black, so all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth about a wild animal killed to protect whitey is especially humorous.
I had no idea zoos had animal SWAT teams standing by with rifles, but it does make a lot of sense. I wonder how you apply for that job? One would think it'd be a lot like PMC's, mostly ex.mil combat vets.
If you want to see crazy hippy vitriol look up Matt Walsh'd twitter feed and the responses he's received for suggesting that human life is more valuable than a gorilla.
My oldest is four, and as other folks have said it is not physically possible to keep eyes on and prevent them from running off at all times.
Your title would be Gorilla Sniper, but you could just tell everyone you are a Guerrilla Sniper.
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Very interesting that we (as a society) see this as something to get in a row over, instead of a story with a happy ending. Not that anyone should be glad that an animal died,* but no one seems very interested in the fact that a child's life was saved. (And saved with a rifle, FWIW.)
*Well, I'm quite glad for animals to die, when I get to eat them. but I digress...
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Another interesting viewpoint, very good read.
https://writerdreamerbeliever.wordpress.com/2016/05/30/if-its-yours-its-yours/ (https://writerdreamerbeliever.wordpress.com/2016/05/30/if-its-yours-its-yours/)
Yes, but also harsh. By those standards, every parent fails at least once or twice (and usually a lot more)
I have scars from a couple of those failures. That doesn't mean my mother was a complete failure at parenting. It just means I was a kid and she's a parent, and that's part of life. =| *expletive deleted*it happens.
I think this blog writer does exactly what she rants about people shouldn't do at the beginning of her blog. She is looking for someone to blame. It's a very hypocritical piece.
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In the last few days, I've seen three kids who couldn't have been over 12 playing completely unattended on the rocks at the edge of the *very* storm-swollen Bosque River at around 10:30PM in a closed section of the park, and a kid who might have been 5 riding a scooter down a residential street for at least three blocks just before rush hour. No parents in sight, nor any indication the parents think there's anything wrong with it. There have been a few parents taken to task over the years about turning their <10 year old kids loose in the park and leaving. Their argument is always that it's a park, so it's supposed to be safe. I can't imagine what would constitute a looser rein for these kids.
Let me help then.
When I was 10, my parents would routinely (as in several times a week) but me on a sled behind three trained husky's and turn me loose for a 6 mile run. The trail was a loop, but there were longer ones, and if I took a wrong turn (as I did once or twice) 20-25 miles was available. A couple wrong turns took me into several hundred square miles of military reservation with maybe live/maybe not ranges. By the time I was the 12 years old of your river watchers it was reasonably routine for my mom to drop me and my dogs (5-8 by now) off Sat morning in the 23,000 sqmi Mat-Su Valley with a predetermined pick up spot and time (Sun afternoon 80 or so miles away from the start). This was pre cell phone, pre-PLB, pre-affordable handheld GPS. I had a USGS map and surplus lensatic compass. Now I will admit that my Mom had a pretty dang loose rein, even for then, but perhaps if we taught kids to take care of themselves as early as possible, they'd move out before their age started with a "3".
On the gorilla and kid, don't know enough about mom and kid. Kids can be pretty sneaky at getting what they want and carpeing their diem. Maybe she was negligent, maybe her kid is smart. Maybe both. Doesn't really matter in anything but the finger pointing. Once the kid was in the custody of the ape, and the ape didn't give him right up, there was only one outcome, and the zoo did the right thing. Sometimes the right thing sucks. Kid vs. Gorilla? Seriously, Kid every time. If it was Kanye vs. Gorilla there might be some question but not a 4 YO.
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If it was Kanye vs. Gorilla there might be some question but not a 4 YO.
What about a 4yo Kanye with your full understanding of what he would become?
Chris
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I'll have to dig up the link, but an eyewitness account says that a mom was looking for her kid and the witnesses' husband realized the kid had scrambled into the enclosure and before anyone could catch him he fell into the moat. Multiple people tried to grab him. People had to restrain mom from jumping in after him.
Before that, the mom had had a hold of the kid and was taking a photo of family members. The kid wrenched and ran, with mom hot on his heels before he dove into the bushes and into the enclosure. The eyewitness was calling 911 as the kid fell in.
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Here's the link: http://www.foreverymom.com/witness-to-cincinnati-zoo-gorilla-death-it-wasnt-the-parents-fault/
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What about a 4yo Kanye with your full understanding of what he would become?
Chris
Oh, looky there! The gorilla's playing with a doll. Let's go see what's in that exhibit over there.
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What about a 4yo Kanye with your full understanding of what he would become?
Chris
I'm pretty sure that gorilla would never again pay for a drink in his long, long life.
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So basically, another unarmed 17 year old African-American senselessly gunned down.
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My friend the zookeeper actually is being argued with on her facebook page. She has worked with the great apes for nearly two decades. I would not be surprised if she actually cried when she heard this story, she loves the apes that much.
Here are some quotes from her page. She has been gently trying not to offend her idiot friends who are saying "they should have used a tranquilizer", "the gorilla was protecting the child", "no animal should die due to human stupidity" etc.
"I IMPLORE YOU, if you are bringing small children to the zoo be vigilant! Watch over them as though they are precious treasures among wild animals because that is exactly what they are."
"I wish tranquilizers worked as fast in real life as they do on TV. I completely understand and support their decision. And weep for their loss."
"Silverbacks have bitten children before, and the bites can be life threatening. Immobilizing Harambe would have taken an extremely long time. Best case scenario would be 15 minutes, but since he was in full display mode and his adrenaline was spiked it could take 30+ if he went down at all. Not to mention that he would get pissed when the dart hit him. Terribly sad all the way around."
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Read at own risk:
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/75564845/why-didnt-they-just-shoot-the-gorilla-in-the-leg
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My friend the zookeeper actually is being argued with on her facebook page. She has worked with the great apes for nearly two decades. I would not be surprised if she actually cried when she heard this story, she loves the apes that much.
Here are some quotes from her page. She has been gently trying not to offend her idiot friends who are saying "they should have used a tranquilizer", "the gorilla was protecting the child", "no animal should die due to human stupidity" etc.
Way back in the 70's, I took a tour of the Cincinnati Zoo with my Cub Scouts group. This was before the exhibit in question was built. They had a massive silverback in an enclosure with bars. I will never forget watching this gorilla put his hand around two bars and squeeze them together, bent like they were nothing more than playdoh. So, you dart this guy, he gets pissed, and squeezes the kid's head like that gorilla squeezed the bars... bet the SJW's be attacking the zoo for not shooting the gorilla, and saving the child from the killer beast.
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Read at own risk:
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/75564845/why-didnt-they-just-shoot-the-gorilla-in-the-leg
A real man would have just shot the gun kid out of his hands.
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That gorilla cost them a fortune and they've lost an incredible amount of revenue by killing him.
If there was a way to save the gorilla believe me they would have done that instead.
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When I was 10, my parents would routinely (as in several times a week) but me on a sled behind three trained husky's and turn me loose for a 6 mile run. The trail was a loop, but there were longer ones, and if I took a wrong turn (as I did once or twice) 20-25 miles was available. A couple wrong turns took me into several hundred square miles of military reservation with maybe live/maybe not ranges. By the time I was the 12 years old of your river watchers it was reasonably routine for my mom to drop me and my dogs (5-8 by now) off Sat morning in the 23,000 sqmi Mat-Su Valley with a predetermined pick up spot and time (Sun afternoon 80 or so miles away from the start). This was pre cell phone, pre-PLB, pre-affordable handheld GPS. I had a USGS map and surplus lensatic compass. Now I will admit that my Mom had a pretty dang loose rein, even for then, but perhaps if we taught kids to take care of themselves as early as possible, they'd move out before their age started with a "3".
I had free run of a few hundred acres of our land, and hundreds more of the (mostly extended family) neighbors' land by the time I was 7, but there's a big difference between open wilderness and turning a kid loose in the city park and leaving for several hours.
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A real man would have just shot the gun kid out of his hands.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :rofl:
That probably shouldn't be that funny, but it is.
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That gorilla cost them a fortune and they've lost an incredible amount of revenue by killing him.
If there was a way to save the gorilla believe me they would have done that instead.
No, they were just waiting for some white kid to get into the enclosure, so they could gleefully murder a gorilla. Those NRA sickos...
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No, they were just waiting for some white kid to get into the enclosure, so they could gleefully murder a gorilla. Those NRA sickos...
Thing is the kid was black.
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Thing is the kid was black.
Don't try to confuse the issue with your hatefacts.
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Thing is the kid was black.
He just got dirty when he fell into the enclosure.
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I weighed in as "not sure".
Dammit, I wanted to be Secretary of the Interior in the Trump Administration.
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Ok, I didn't read all 3 pages of this, so if this is old info, sorry. But it seems that several highly respected animal folks who handle large and dangerous animals are starting to chime in saying the zoo keepers had absolutely no other alternative to what was done.
The SJWs are having to eat crow...or is that a sin too?
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Thing is the kid was black.
Rainier Wolfcastle
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Ok, I didn't read all 3 pages of this, so if this is old info, sorry. But it seems that several highly respected animal folks who handle large and dangerous animals are starting to chime in saying the zoo keepers had absolutely no other alternative to what was done.
The SJWs are having to eat crow...or is that a sin too?
Guffaw! You think they respond to facts?! :rofl: Being wrong about everything is just what they do.
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Here are some quotes from her page. She has been gently trying not to offend her idiot friends who are saying "they should have used a tranquilizer", "the gorilla was protecting the child", "no animal should die due to human stupidity" etc.
This is one that drives me nuts.
The 100+ pound dogs I work with would protect me with everything they've got and love me. Yet I come home with bruises, scraps and all sorts of injuries on a daily freeking basis. Hell, my not even 2 pound kitten can put a hurting on my without even trying.
It doesn't matter what the animals intentions are, a large animal can kill you just as easily with love as it can with hate.
400 lb gorilla? I don't care how tame the damn thing seems or how friendly it acts, I'm not going in there with it.
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Hell, my not even 2 pound kitten can put a hurting on my without even trying.
This is why I've always wanted guard-trained bobcats.
A dog may bite your leg off, but a cat will climb you and eat your face.
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Loonies holding a "vigil" for a gorilla.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2mPPLyv1Jo
So a black kid's life is saved, and the white guy calls it a tragedy. Hmmmm. The usual suspects seem quiet about that.
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I heard the guy who shot the gorilla used to be a dentist who hunted lions.
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I heard the guy who shot the gorilla used to be a dentist who hunted lions.
Stick a fork in this one, it's over. Fly320's gets the prize
LMAO
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http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/06/01/zoo-weapons-response-teams/
At the end of the article TFB gets into Dead Hooker Magazine territory with this brilliant bit of nonsense:
What do you think? Do you pack enough gun to put down a 450 pound gorilla?
Yeah, I don't know what's the recommended gorilla medicine, but I rather doubt it's something anyone stateside "packs" on a regular basis. I wonder if Taurus is going to come out with a snubby .500 S&W Magnum, called "The Silverback."
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My Glock 19 will do it. I just have to put the muzzle right against it's eye and get the angle JUST right...
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My Glock 19 will do it. I just have to put the muzzle right against it's eye and get the angle JUST right...
There was a Field & Stream column about 30 years ago maybe 35 where a guy describe how one of his City Neighbors came out to his place in the Poconos and there's a black bear rooting through the trash and how he leaned out the window and shot the Bear right in the ear with the 22 long rifle and the bear dropped dead
he called his buddy up and come over it looked at the Dead bear and 22 and the guy said yeah I remember you told me that your uncle killed hundreds of black bear with his 22
the guy goes did I forget to tell you that my uncle when he killed all those Bears all had at least one leg in a bear trap when he did it
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It was a tragedy for Harambe and the zoo, a near-tragedy for the child, the parents are in a world of mess, and the BLM people really want animals & cops to stop trying to kill us so that we can keep on killing each other in peace.
What's next? Childproof lids on all zoo exhibits?
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I used to be a zookeeper. It sounds like just a tragic accident all the way around. Lots of exhibits can be accessed by a person who climbs over a barrier, jumps into a pit, swims a moat etc. Without putting up a bunch of bars, that is the way it is.
Our zoo had: 12 gauge, 375 H&H mag, and .416 Rigby.
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I used to be a zookeeper. It sounds like just a tragic accident all the way around. Lots of exhibits can be accessed by a person who climbs over a barrier, jumps into a pit, swims a moat etc. Without putting up a bunch of bars, that is the way it is.
Our zoo had: 12 gauge, 375 H&H mag, and .416 Rigby.
Me & my CZ are loaded for ape!
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I used to be a zookeeper. It sounds like just a tragic accident all the way around. Lots of exhibits can be accessed by a person who climbs over a barrier, jumps into a pit, swims a moat etc. Without putting up a bunch of bars, that is the way it is.
Our zoo had: 12 gauge, 375 H&H mag, and .416 Rigby.
Yeah, it is one thing to design something to prevent accidents. When you have to design it to prevent deliberate action, it is more difficult.
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I still want to know how you apply to be a zoo SWAT team guy.
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I used to be a zookeeper.
Our zoo had: 12 gauge, 375 H&H mag, and .416 Rigby.
Epic. Poetic. Copecetic.
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Well, you certainly owe it to us to try.
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Every news outlet in the world today has been reporting that the boy's parents will not be charged.
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http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/06/01/zoo-weapons-response-teams/
At the end of the article TFB gets into Dead Hooker Magazine territory with this brilliant bit of nonsense:
Yeah, I don't know what's the recommended gorilla medicine, but I rather doubt it's something anyone stateside "packs" on a regular basis. I wonder if Taurus is going to come out with a snubby .500 S&W Magnum, called "The Silverback."
They shoot gorillas all the time in Africa with 9mm FMJ, 7.62 Tokarev, and 7.62x39 with success. I doubt it takes much more to stop a recently caged gorilla than it does to stop a recently caged criminal....
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They shoot gorillas all the time in Africa with 9mm FMJ, 7.62 Tokarev, and 7.62x39 with success. I doubt it takes much more to stop a recently caged gorilla than it does to stop a recently caged criminal....
Well, it is one thing to inflict an eventually fatal injury to an animal. It's another to make it DRT. A mag dump from a 9mm at halitosis range will kill a grizzly. It just won't do it in less than ... a lot longer than it takes said grizzly to reduce you to your constituent parts.
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Every news outlet in the world today has been reporting that the boy's parents will not be charged.
That's our DA, very by the books type of person. I'll vote for him again.
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That's our DA, very by the books type of person. I'll vote for him again.
y du u hate gurillaz
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That's our DA, very by the books type of person. I'll vote for him again.
A prosecutor who makes decisions based on the facts and the law, not political gain or SJW screaming...sounds like someone who needs to teach classes for prosecutors.
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A prosecutor who makes decisions based on the facts and the law, not political gain or SJW screaming...sounds like someone who needs to teach classes for prosecutors.
When the law fails to recognize living in Cincinatti as irrefutable proof of guilt, the law must be fixed.
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When the law fails to recognize living in Cincinatti as irrefutable proof of guilt, the law must be fixed.
Close, but not quite.... It's two Ns, and one T. Cincinnati.
Hey, there are worse places to be from.
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Close, but not quite.... It's two Ns, and one T. Cincinnati.
When I was there a while back, the local radio station just called it "The Natty." Word to your mother.
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When I was there a while back, the local radio station just called it "The Natty." Word to your mother.
Haven't lived there since 1987, so I'm not cool enough to use that. I'll stick with Cincy.
Did see a neighbor kid who is going to the University of Cincinnati. He's got a decal on his car that her cut down...it now reads "Sity of Cin." I found it amusing.
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Hey, there are worse places to be from.
Yes, but most of the others are in Minnesota.
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Haven't lived there since 1987
Did you get to see the "flying" turkeys on Thanksgiving?
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A prosecutor who makes decisions based on the facts and the law, not political gain or SJW screaming...sounds like someone who needs to teach classes for prosecutors.
He went up to Columbus to be Treasure for a term and then got re-elected DA as a write in candidate winning 60% of the vote. Like I said, I really like him and will vote for him again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Deters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Deters)
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He went up to Columbus to be Treasure for a term and then got re-elected DA as a write in candidate winning 60% of the vote. Like I said, I really like him and will vote for him again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Deters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Deters)
Gotta respect him for going back to prosecuting. And he is good at it, not looking to use the office as a stepping stone.
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Did see a neighbor kid who is going to the University of Cincinnati. He's got a decal on his car that her cut down...it now reads "Sity of Cin." I found it amusing.
That must be very nice for him.
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Back to the OP: perhaps this was not the best choice of brand name:
http://www.gorillaammo.com/silverback
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Back to the OP: perhaps this was not the best choice of brand name:
http://www.gorillaammo.com/silverback
If they actually shot the gorilla with it, it would be GENIUS marketing!.....