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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Hawkmoon on June 05, 2016, 06:27:33 PM
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I've been having problems with my mowers this year, and I suspect that much of the problem can be attributed to the fact that Connecticut mandates 10% ethanol in our gasoline. And (unlike global warming/climate change) the experts are in complete agreement that ethanol does bad things to small engine carburetors. So I've decided to start creating my own small engine fuel by removing the ethanol from gasoline.
I have two 2-cycle tools: a chain saw, and a string trimmer. Those require 2-cycle oil mixed in with the gas. I don't want to mix large quantities, so I went looking for a 1-gallon (4 liter) gas can. What a shock.
I'm accustomed to nice, old-fashioned Eagle gas cans, with a simple, metal flex nozzle. More recently, they replaced the steel flex spout with rubber, but the can remained the same and to use it, you simply tip and pour. Like this:
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Then they made the spouts on the steel gas cans into "safety nozzles," and the price for a 2-1/2 gallon (10 liter) can went up to about $50 or $75. So those were pretty much relegated to professionals, and the homeowners switched over to plastic. Well, now the plastic "cans" have also gone over to safety nozzles. Like this:
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F41ii-gd7fKL.jpg&f=1
I looked at this one and a couple of other brands. I finally bought a different brand at Wal-Mart, chosen on the basis that it appeared I might be able to gut the mechanism and have a simple pour spout. Now that I've got it home, I was correct -- it has already been "tuned up." So the plan is to make up a gallon of ethanol-free gasoline, then add fuel stabilizer and 2-cycle oil to it. By keeping the quantity to one gallon or less, I should be able to use it before it becomes too stale.
But the thought occurred to me that, as goeth the gas cans, so goeth life. All the modern conveniences and new laws that are supposed to make life better for us in reality accomplish the exact opposite -- they just make things more expensive, more complicated, and more difficult.
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http://www.amazon.com/Gas-Spout-Replacement-Water-White/dp/B0149L17FC
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My favoritest small engine can is an empty Coleman white gas can.
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I just recently went through this myself while replacing a can for the first time since CARB.
As Bedlamite alluded to, you know longer have gas cans. You go buy flammable water cans. :)
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I bought a 5 gallon (20 litre?) metal Jerry can a few years ago. It's olive rather than red, but nobody has given me any guff for putting gas in it. My only problem with it is the spout. It's a flexible metal "donkey dick" that would work great if the can was vented. The can has an internal vent that looks like it's supposed to mate with a more modern spout (but not a CARB spout) Any ideas? It's new enough that the spout clamps onto the kind of D shaped mouth.
I'd rather not have to drill a little air hole at the top-back of the can. (not sure how I'd even plug that; probably with a golf tee)
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When my two 2 gallon blitz can become unusable, I'm going to go to an eagle safety can and funnel. 2 cycle gas I'll put it in a 1 gallon safety can. Worse comes to worse, I'll just use an msr fuel bottle for 2 cycle gas. Only two strokes I have outside my two boat motors is my Lawn-Boy and I might use 3 gallons of fuel all summer.
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I bought a 5 gallon (20 litre?) metal Jerry can a few years ago. It's olive rather than red, but nobody has given me any guff for putting gas in it. My only problem with it is the spout. It's a flexible metal "donkey dick" that would work great if the can was vented. The can has an internal vent that looks like it's supposed to mate with a more modern spout (but not a CARB spout) Any ideas? It's new enough that the spout clamps onto the kind of D shaped mouth.
I'd rather not have to drill a little air hole at the top-back of the can. (not sure how I'd even plug that; probably with a golf tee)
The spout I got came with a vent plug. It's plastic, but it's pretty heavy duty and doesn't leak. I bet Amazon has the vent caps separate for a few bucks or so. Mine jut friction fit, but going plastic to metal you probably want to use some gas proof adhesive.
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1 liter pop bottles work great for mixing and storing small amounts of 2-cycle gas. I use a 10cc syringe for measuring the oil.
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I'd rather not have to drill a little air hole at the top-back of the can. (not sure how I'd even plug that; probably with a golf tee)
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http://www.amazon.com/Gas-Spout-Replacement-Water-White/dp/B0149L17FC
I know where I can buy spouts -- they cost more than an entire new plastic gas "can." My point was simply that the nanny state .gov has made the simple gasoline can, something generations of people the world over managed to use with few accidents, into something that's more complex, more expensive, more difficult to use, and significantly less utilitarian.
And that struck me as a metaphor for life. My apologies for attempting to wax philosophic.
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I know where I can buy spouts -- they cost more than an entire new plastic gas "can." My point was simply that the nanny state .gov has made the simple gasoline can, something generations of people the world over managed to use with few accidents, into something that's more complex, more expensive, more difficult to use, and significantly less utilitarian.
And that struck me as a metaphor for life. My apologies for attempting to wax philosophic.
They've buggered up everything from automobiles to broadcast TV to flush toilets to propane cylinders for your BBQ. :mad:
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I know where I can buy spouts -- they cost more than an entire new plastic gas "can." My point was simply that the nanny state .gov has made the simple gasoline can, something generations of people the world over managed to use with few accidents, into something that's more complex, more expensive, more difficult to use, and significantly less utilitarian.
And that struck me as a metaphor for life. My apologies for attempting to wax philosophic.
Oh believe me, we hear you. The CARB spout will probably get its own place in the dictionary under "fail". I can't think of another everyday example of gov interference that comes close.
I'm just glad the EPA has nothing to do with doorknobs, or it would take me three hours to get in and out of the house.
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As I understand it, the whole "reasoning" behind the CARB gas can abomination was to prevent the release of those nasty gas fumes.
Where the *expletive deleted*ck to the idiots that came up with the nonsense think the fumes go?
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But the thought occurred to me that, as goeth the gas cans, so goeth life. All the modern conveniences and new laws that are supposed to make life better for us in reality accomplish the exact opposite -- they just make things more expensive, more complicated, and more difficult.
Hard fail. Your complaint is that the new laws get in the way of using your modern conveniences (chain saws and the like). We all know these new laws are stupid (well, maybe not Charby), but if "modern conveniences" are getting in your way, then go back to trimming your yard with a sickle.
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As I understand it, the whole "reasoning" behind the CARB gas can abomination was to prevent the release of those nasty gas fumes.
Where the *expletive deleted*ck to the idiots that came up with the nonsense think the fumes go?
It's not just the fumes. Keeping the fumes contained is good, helps preserve the value of the gas - keeps it from going stale quite as quickly.
The real problem is that they decided that the cans need to be 'safe' and 'handicapped accessible' and all that.
Not realizing that you don't really need yet another safety after the safety of the initial cap being removed, and that requiring a hand on the spout to activate said safety is contradictory to usability, especially for cans bigger than a gallon or so, because being able to use TWO hands on the can is safer than 1 on the can and 1 on the spout.
There's lots of people out there that have found that removing said safety fixes most of their problems causing spilled gas.
Really, I wonder if the EPA actually tested their new cans for usability?
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"And that struck me as a metaphor for life. My apologies for attempting to wax philosophic."
Comments about the new cans always start a rant-sequence, disunirregardless of philosophical analogies.
I noted that in Ace Hardware, those spouts were on the shelf right next to the new California cans. Leastways I think that's what they're called nowadays. Natural merchandise tie-in, of course, but it kind of amused me.
I bought one of those 1-gal modern cans a couple of years ago and kept it in the car, dry, just in case, and sure enough, my fuel gage went kerflooie, so I had to actually use it one day.
When I got home just on general principles, I tried to empty the remaining couple of ounces into a funnel in the gas tank fill pipe. I could not empty it no matter what I did shake-wise and orientation-wise and cuss-wise.
I finally had to leave it in the ditch next to my parking space and let the remaining fuel evaporate in the sun.
Let me repeat that for emphasis. I had to let the remaining fuel evaporate.
Get it? This can, which was supposed to reduce air pollution...
Aw, the hell with it if you didn't get it by now.
Terry, 230RN
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"Really, I wonder if the EPA actually tested their new cans for usability?"
Hah! That you would even ask that question forces me to tell you to go stand in the corner for an hour and then write "I am a bureaucrat and I'm never, ever wrong and 'What does it mater'." 1000 times on the blackboard.
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Kind of an aside from the gas can metaphor (which i agree with, sort of like a Peter Principle for regulations), how do you remove alcohol from fuel? Wouldn't it be simpler to buy race gas or av-gas?
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Hard fail. Your complaint is that the new laws get in the way of using your modern conveniences (chain saws and the like). We all know these new laws are stupid (well, maybe not Charby), but if "modern conveniences" are getting in your way, then go back to trimming your yard with a sickle.
I think many of the laws for safety are pretty stupid.
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I think many of the laws for safety are pretty stupid.
I meant the ethanol regs.
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Kind of an aside from the gas can metaphor (which i agree with, sort of like a Peter Principle for regulations), how do you remove alcohol from fuel? Wouldn't it be simpler to buy race gas or av-gas?
If you mix a small amount of water in with the fuel, the ethanol will end up in the water layer. Let it settle and decant the fuel off. Note, this will reduce the octane rating of the remaining fuel.
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Really, I wonder if the EPA actually tested their new cans for usability?
[EPA Voice]
They aren't OUR cans. We don't manufacture anything. We just addressed a gap in the existing regulations to protect the environment. We closed the "spill gas loophole". If the new, environmentally responsible cans don't work, it's the fault of the can manufacturers. They're the ones that can't design a simple gas can. This is yet another failure of the free market system to address the needs of society. As it disproportionately affects poor and minorities (Rich White folks ave lawn services) it can obviously not be allowed to stand. We will immediately start a focus group to design an unspillable gas can, and to make the EPA the sole source for legal petroleum carrying devices.
Thank you for contacting us with your concerns, we here at the EPA take gas can safety seriously.
[/EPA Voice]
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After futzing with one of the new cans that requires 3 hands to operate without spilling anything for a couple years, I just settled on using the old metal jerry-can-ish style (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/military-style-jerry-can-10-liter-2-1-2-gallon?a=1584047) with appropriate spout (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/military-style-jerry-can-spout?a=904142).
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I looked at this one and a couple of other brands. I finally bought a different brand at Wal-Mart, chosen on the basis that it appeared I might be able to gut the mechanism and have a simple pour spout. Now that I've got it home, I was correct -- it has already been "tuned up." So the plan is to make up a gallon of ethanol-free gasoline, then add fuel stabilizer and 2-cycle oil to it. By keeping the quantity to one gallon or less, I should be able to use it before it becomes too stale.
At least here, WalMart and Tractor Supply have the quart cans of ethanol-free premixed two stroke fuel. Overpriced, but the steel can is very reusable, just about the right size for carrying around with a chainsaw or weedeater, and cheaper than buying a gallon can.
Quick we search shows Lowes, Home Depot and Sears have TruFuel quarts for $6. As I recall, Connecticut is surrounded by several other counties that also have mistaken themselves for actual states, so you should be able to bootleg a couple quarts pretty easily.
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Kind of an aside from the gas can metaphor (which i agree with, sort of like a Peter Principle for regulations), how do you remove alcohol from fuel? Wouldn't it be simpler to buy race gas or av-gas?
You remove alcohol from gasoline by adding water, shaking, and allowing it to settle out.
No airports near me, and no other outlets in my state are allowed to sell gasoline w/o ethanol. I only know of one auto racetrack left in the state, and I know they don't have any gas pumps. All racers bring their own fuel.
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Thanks, I learned something today.
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You remove alcohol from gasoline by adding water, shaking, and allowing it to settle out.
Another thought; the steel premix cans have a conical top, so cutting the bottom out of one, inverting it, and putting a simple valve in the cap would give you a near ideal small batch separation container. (Well, except that you can't see through it, but you probably want to let a little gas out the valve to be sure all the water is out anyway.) Much cheaper than buying any of the various items built for similar purposes. (homebrewing conical fermenter, lab grade separatory funnel, etc.)
Not sure what provides a ready-made shape as effective in a larger batch size cheaper than the conical fermenters. Ideally, you want a sump with a valve that can drain absolutely everything in said sump, which is hard to manage if you're running a fitting through a thin metal wall. For very large batches, with plenty of water to establish the siphon, you could do it like cleaning an aquarium, though I'd be worried about excessive fuel loss if it's not a very well shaped sump in a see-through container.
Are you also distilling the waste so you can recover both the ethanol and some nice clean water? If you use a car radiator as the condenser and good lead solder on all the fittings, you can cover some of your expenses by selling the alcohol and the water to SJW types...or leave them mixed and sell it as a healthy, hydrating alcoholic beverage.
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Another thought; the steel premix cans have a conical top, so cutting the bottom out of one, inverting it, and putting a simple valve in the cap would give you a near ideal small batch separation container. (Well, except that you can't see through it, but you probably want to let a little gas out the valve to be sure all the water is out anyway.) Much cheaper than buying any of the various items built for similar purposes. (homebrewing conical fermenter, lab grade separatory funnel, etc.)
Not sure what provides a ready-made shape as effective in a larger batch size cheaper than the conical fermenters. Ideally, you want a sump with a valve that can drain absolutely everything in said sump, which is hard to manage if you're running a fitting through a thin metal wall. For very large batches, with plenty of water to establish the siphon, you could do it like cleaning an aquarium, though I'd be worried about excessive fuel loss if it's not a very well shaped sump in a see-through container.
Are you also distilling the waste so you can recover both the ethanol and some nice clean water? If you use a car radiator as the condenser and good lead solder on all the fittings, you can cover some of your expenses by selling the alcohol and the water to SJW types...or leave them mixed and sell it as a healthy, hydrating alcoholic beverage.
Dude, we've all been giving you totally wrong job advice. You need to go to usajobs.gov post haste and apply at the EPA's "making stuff way more complicated than it needs to be and then it doesn't work right anyways" division.
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Dude, we've all been giving you totally wrong job advice. You need to go to usajobs.gov post haste and apply at the EPA's "making stuff way more complicated than it needs to be and then it doesn't work right anyways" division.
I've done enough separating (usually homebrewing) to know that just trying to pour off the stuff on top either wastes a lot of the desired fluid or leaves it contaminated with some of the undesirable one. You need a stationary settling vat with a sump that can be completely drained from the lowest point.
Selling the "waste" to people who couldn't really get any worse from a little lead or mercury poisoning just makes economic sense.
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Are you also distilling the waste so you can recover both the ethanol and some nice clean water? If you use a car radiator as the condenser and good lead solder on all the fittings, you can cover some of your expenses by selling the alcohol and the water to SJW types...or leave them mixed and sell it as a healthy, hydrating alcoholic beverage.
Apparently there's a denaturing agent as well. Not that I think anyone is desperate enough to consume alcohol that was mixed with motor fuel... Too many nasties that could be carried over in trace quantities.
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The premixed fuel KD5NRH referred to comes in two mixes, 40:1 and 60:1. I got some for my emergency generator. I keep one quart can in my house and one in my car. No leakage whatsoever from either of them, even though the one in the car gets to probably 120° in the summer sunshine.
This site might be useful:
http://pure-gas.org/?stateprov=CO
It came up as CO because I put Denver in the search terms, but you can click your state once you're in it.
Terry, 230RN
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This site might be useful:
http://pure-gas.org/?stateprov=CO
I'm familiar with that site. Unfortunately, it's not reliable. Of the few outlets they show for my state, the one nearest to me is 25 miles away (each way), and does not carry ethanol-free gas. In fact, most of the purported outlets listed don't sell it.
For the time and money it would cost me to drive to the other end of the state, I can buy a couple of gallons of gasahol locally and remove the alcohol myself in far less time, and at no cost beyond the cost of the gasahol.
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Apparently there's a denaturing agent as well. Not that I think anyone is desperate enough to consume alcohol that was mixed with motor fuel... Too many nasties that could be carried over in trace quantities.
Gasoline is the denaturing agent for fuel ethanol production. Supposedly in WWII soldiers in bomber bases would distill the ethanol out of avgas for consumption.
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I meant the ethanol regs.
nope, more like the tizzy folks get into using e10 in a 4 stroke, we'll since e10 has been around since the 73 oil embargo.
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nope, more like the tizzy folks get into using e10 in a 4 stroke, we'll since e10 has been around since the 73 oil embargo.
So you do or do not favor laws requiring an ethanol blend?
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So you do or do not favor laws requiring an ethanol blend?
I don't favor the laws but I'm not against industry providing it.
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Another thought; the steel premix cans have a conical top, so cutting the bottom out of one, inverting it, and putting a simple valve in the cap would give you a near ideal small batch separation container. (Well, except that you can't see through it, but you probably want to let a little gas out the valve to be sure all the water is out anyway.) Much cheaper than buying any of the various items built for similar purposes. (homebrewing conical fermenter, lab grade separatory funnel, etc.)
Not sure what provides a ready-made shape as effective in a larger batch size cheaper than the conical fermenters. Ideally, you want a sump with a valve that can drain absolutely everything in said sump, which is hard to manage if you're running a fitting through a thin metal wall. For very large batches, with plenty of water to establish the siphon, you could do it like cleaning an aquarium, though I'd be worried about excessive fuel loss if it's not a very well shaped sump in a see-through container.
Are you also distilling the waste so you can recover both the ethanol and some nice clean water? If you use a car radiator as the condenser and good lead solder on all the fittings, you can cover some of your expenses by selling the alcohol and the water to SJW types...or leave them mixed and sell it as a healthy, hydrating alcoholic beverage.
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Seriously, I don't want to sound mean or insulting, but you really need to put a warning on your posts or make it clear you're kidding. Your advice can and would get people killed if they took it. I sincerely hope it is trolling and not your actual thoughts.
Here is an example: "The above is satire. Don't ever cut up a gas container without purging thoroughly with argon. Even still, generally it is better to NEVER attempt to alter a container that had volatile fuel stored in it. Don't be a moron, buy a new unused container. It's cheaper than buying a new face and fingers."
I'm very very sure the last part is absolute trolling. I know it was common back in the moonshine days, but criminals and not overly intelligent folks playing chemist was a thing in those days. No sane and above room temperature intelligence person would ever do such a thing.
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Seriously, I don't want to sound mean or insulting, but you really need to put a warning on your posts or make it clear you're kidding. Your advice can and would get people killed if they took it. I sincerely hope it is trolling and not your actual thoughts.
Hopefully they're smart enough to not fire up the plasma cutter until they dump the gasoline out.
Here is an example: "The above is satire. Don't ever cut up a gas container without purging thoroughly with argon. Even still, generally it is better to NEVER attempt to alter a container that had volatile fuel stored in it. Don't be a moron, buy a new unused container. It's cheaper than buying a new face and fingers."
Sometimes it's in the "enough rope for Darwin to hang them" category. I haven't looked at the bottom of the can, but it's a can opener job; the only question is whether it's a normal can opener or a side cutter job. Hopefully anyone playing with it is bright enough to understand that work like that is generally done with the can full of water, or dim enough to forget where they heard about it.
I'm very very sure the last part is absolute trolling. I know it was common back in the moonshine days, but criminals and not overly intelligent folks playing chemist was a thing in those days. No sane and above room temperature intelligence person would ever do such a thing.
Uh, did you miss Nick1911's post? Besides, I didn't say anything about drinking it; just using it as a sort of "voluntary pesticide."
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Seriously, I don't want to sound mean or insulting, but you really need to put a warning on your posts or make it clear you're kidding. Your advice can and would get people killed if they took it. I sincerely hope it is trolling and not your actual thoughts.
Here is an example: "The above is satire. Don't ever cut up a gas container without purging thoroughly with argon. Even still, generally it is better to NEVER attempt to alter a container that had volatile fuel stored in it. Don't be a moron, buy a new unused container. It's cheaper than buying a new face and fingers."
I'm very very sure the last part is absolute trolling. I know it was common back in the moonshine days, but criminals and not overly intelligent folks playing chemist was a thing in those days. No sane and above room temperature intelligence person would ever do such a thing.
You assume he's kidding...
Sent from my iPhone. Freaking autocorrect.
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You assume he's kidding...
I'm trying to stick to being polite, reasonable and showing decorum when someone is repeatedly giving lethal, bad, wrong or malicious advice. Amazingly, sometimes all four. Such as cutting open a used gas container that 'was empty' or 'filled with water', neither of which inhibits the presence of volatile fumes which can be flammable or explosive. Hence why you need to fill the container and working space with argon or other inert gas to displace the oxygen and combustible fumes. Not water. Or better yet, not use a used combustible fuel container in the first place. Even his retort that "people should know better" were potentially lethal (cutting a container with fumes), bad ideas (cutting a gas container period), wrong guidance (buy something a safe solution) and potentially malicious.
The gun analog would be essentially the guy who ignores the Four Rules because he believes he's skilled enough that he doesn't need to follow obvious common sense safety rules. And repeatedly advises other people to ignore the Four Rules. He's essentially saying the best time to adjust your trigger pull is when the firearm is loaded, off safe and people are downrange. And ignore people that suggest that may not be safe. Over and over and over. I sincerely hope he has a malicious nature and is being malicious. The alternative is breathe defying.
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Uh, did you miss Nick1911's post? Besides, I didn't say anything about drinking it; just using it as a sort of "voluntary pesticide."
IF that being the case then you need to put some smilies or the like in there. What you advocated with a "straight face" is a criminal act. Something that APS has not and will not condone. EVER.
Now you have been warned on several occasions by several different mods to tone it down and cut back on the stupid. If you can't get that through your skull, then a time-out or perma-ban might be in order.
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Not that I think anyone is desperate enough to consume alcohol that was mixed with motor fuel... Too many nasties that could be carried over in trace quantities.
I think you drastically underestimate what the desperation of alcohol addicts will drive them to do.
I mean, they'll buy rubbing alcohol in the store and drink it, denaturing agent or not.
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I think you drastically underestimate what the desperation of alcohol addicts will drive them to do.
I mean, they'll buy rubbing alcohol in the store and drink it, denaturing agent or not.
Giving it a think through from a purely theoretical chemistry thought exercise, I think benzene is the real kicker. Has some solubility in water and water/ethanol mixtures, a boiling point just a few degrees off of ethanol, and a nasty known human carcinogen.
One take away from this is if you're attempting to separate the ethanol out for the purpose of removing it from fuel - which could be a pretty dangerous thing using makeshift containers and whatnot - know that the water layer you are discarding has other nasty stuff in it, and should be handled/discarded carefully.
Then there's the octane issue. And the fire hazard.
Realistically, buy fuel with no ethanol. It's not super common, but some places have it. I found some no-ethanol fuel at a Kansas City QuickTrip of all places.
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Maybe half of our gas stations have ethanol free premium and mark it as snowmobile fuel with a placard referencing a city ordinance about not using it in motor vehicles (which folks tend to ignore).
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1 liter pop bottles work great for mixing and storing small amounts of 2-cycle gas. I use a 10cc syringe for measuring the oil.
Don't try to confuse us with your foreign metric numbers. Use American numbers, commie!
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There used to be just 2 stations in town that sold ethanol-free premium gas (for off-road use and small engines) Now the KwikTrips and SuperAmerica stations have picked up on it, and it's not *that* expensive. Less than $3 per gallon.
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You remove alcohol from gasoline by adding water, shaking, and allowing it to settle out.
No airports near me, and no other outlets in my state are allowed to sell gasoline w/o ethanol. I only know of one auto racetrack left in the state, and I know they don't have any gas pumps. All racers bring their own fuel.
http://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=CT
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For ethanol free gas look around near popular lakes. I've noticed anywhere reasonably close to a popular boating lake will have a higher than usual number of stations with ethanol free gas.
Sent from my iPhone. Freaking autocorrect.
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http://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=CT
Same site 230RN provided a link to. See above.
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Motorcycle shops sell "race gas" for the dirt bikers. A guy I know who has a landscaping business runs VP racing fuel in all of his small engines.
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Motorcycle shops sell "race gas" for the dirt bikers. A guy I know who has a landscaping business runs VP racing fuel in all of his small engines.
I have 4 of those for the boat. I built a valve so that I can lift them into place without relying on gravity feed.
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I have 4 of those for the boat. I built a valve so that I can lift them into place without relying on gravity feed.
Did KD5 just hijack your account? :laugh:
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Did KD5 just hijack your account?
No...I'm still trying to figure out whether his boat has four motorcycle shops, dirt bikers, landscaping businesses or small engines.
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No...I'm still trying to figure out whether his boat has four motorcycle shops, dirt bikers, landscaping businesses or small engines.
It's a big boat.
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4 of the VP cans and the valve is made from fuel grade components.
Gives me a way to gravity feed without spillage.