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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Balog on June 22, 2016, 03:29:25 AM
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http://thefederalist.com/2016/06/20/the-rise-of-cultural-parasites/
Interesting take from an interesting guy.
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Yeah, pretty much.
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Interesting, but he takes things a bit far, and sounds too much like lefty complaints of "cultural appropriation.' He tries to get way too much mileage out of the fact that people don't like a film reboot that hasn't even hit theaters yet. Also, for Christians who've grown up listening to rock, rap, etc; why wouldn't he expect them to use those forms of music? It's not as if American, Christian musicians grow up listening to Bach and Purcell, and then decide, hey, let's appropriate pop music! No, the Christians' musical tastes are shaped by their culture, and they're just making the music they understand. A lot of it is bad, but so is a lot of the non-Christian pop. Would sub-par musicians have done better by writing motets and masses? I suspect not. It certainly wouldn't be less parasitic. But what about Christian musicians like Michael Card, or the late Rich Mullins, that made great Christian music of the singer-songwriter/folk persuasion? The author's model doesn't explain that.
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Interesting, but he takes things a bit far, and sounds too much like lefty complaints of "cultural appropriation.' He tries to get way too much mileage out of the fact that people don't like a film reboot that hasn't even hit theaters yet. Also, for Christians who've grown up listening to rock, rap, etc; why wouldn't he expect them to use those forms of music? It's not as if American, Christian musicians grow up listening to Bach and Purcell, and then decide, hey, let's appropriate pop music! No, the Christians' musical tastes are shaped by their culture, and they're just making the music they understand. A lot of it is bad, but so is a lot of the non-Christian pop. Would sub-par musicians have done better by writing motets and masses? I suspect not. It certainly wouldn't be less parasitic. But what about Christian musicians like Michael Card, or the late Rich Mullins, that made great Christian music of the singer-songwriter/folk persuasion? The author's model doesn't explain that.
Yep, he went off the rails a bit in that area.
Creating religeous rock music isn't the same thing as swapping the actors out of a movie with actors of a different gender/sexual orientation, not even close. The author slammed 'Veggie Tales?' Seriously, I've never seen that show on TV, only on video, and its actually a pretty good (and hilarious) show.
Other than that, pretty good piece.
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Yep, he went off the rails a bit in that area.
Creating religeous rock music isn't the same thing as swapping the actors out of a movie with actors of a different gender/sexual orientation, not even close. The author slammed 'Veggie Tales?' Seriously, I've never seen that show on TV, only on video, and its actually a pretty good (and hilarious) show.
Other than that, pretty good piece.
I've never seen the Veggie stuff, so I don't know what the deal is there. If anything, a show about a bunch of vegetables having adventures seems more original than most other cartoons, right?
I have seen Facing the Giants, and its sister films, multiple times. I've also seen the Titans movie, though it's never really held my interest, so maybe I'm forgetting some things. But to my knowledge, FtG resembles Titans about as much as it resembles every other sports film. So Christians shouldn't make sports films with a Christian viewpoint, just because sports films have already been made? To which other types of film, or entertainment genres, does this apply? What sorts of films should Christians feel comfortable making?
The Ghostbusters thing, maybe I shouldn't comment on it, as there seems to be something going on I just don't get. If the movie's no good, or the trailer wasn't appealing, fine. But the gender thing I can't see how anyone cares. The original had no female ghostbusters. This one has no male ghostbusters. Neither would seem to have any cultural signifance, except for the complaints people are making right now. What's the point of an escapist film if you're going to get so worked up about it?
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Actually thinking about that article for awhile, the author missed the mark and I fell into a trap of sorts....
Free market should decide what is appropriate or useful or not, not SJWs or <insert group>'s notion of forced fairness or equity. If people are willing to pay to see a female James Bond, a gay superhero, or a Christian pop band, it's none of the author's business, nor should people get butthurt and demand reparations if stupid ideas fail and cause bankruptcies.
Further, everyone likes to pile on the millennials, it's a fun sport, but they are a direct reflection of their parents' nihilistic and materialistic lifestyles- they being the baby boomers and gen-Xers.
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meh, he is right about some of the Christian stuff, he just used the wrong examples.
One real example of that had me hitting the roof years ago was a series of books for girls that was almost an exact match to The Baby Sitters Club, just with "christian values". Some of that stuff, from all of these idiots is just blatantly ripping *expletive deleted*it off for the sake of a message. A lot of the Christian Rock is like that. I mean, seriously, sometimes they just change the words and they barely do that.
However, the writer is way off on VeggieTales (which even I think is great) VeggieTales is in a class of it's own and, if anything, a couple mainstream cartoons picked up that theme (talking food is kind of funny)
The thing he is wrong about is the idea that this is a new thing. It's not. Reimagining, rewriting and recycling old ideas or themes or art for new generations is pretty much par for the course. Culture rarely comes up with something truly NEW. Furthermore, it's also very common for people who want to use propaganda to spread a message to adapt common culture for their cause (and they usually do it badly) SJW didn't come up with anything new, including their stupid tactics.
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meh, he is right about some of the Christian stuff, he just used the wrong examples.
One real example of that had me hitting the roof years ago was a series of books for girls that was almost an exact match to The Baby Sitters Club, just with "christian values". Some of that stuff, from all of these idiots is just blatantly ripping *expletive deleted*it off for the sake of a message. A lot of the Christian Rock is like that. I mean, seriously, sometimes they just change the words and they barely do that.
How dare the Christians sully The Baby-Sitters' Club, and Nickelback! :P
My wife, she of the English degree, reads nothing but "Inspirational fiction."* I read a few pages out of one of them, and it's obvious no one even edited the book. This is, I think, a fairly successful author, and her prose was just poke-your-eyes-out terrible. Like something out of junior high, written by someone who's never read a book before.
*OK, OK, she's also reading a book by Temple Grandin, and she just finished something about Julia Childs. Still...
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How dare the Christians sully The Baby-Sitters' Club, and Nickelback! :P
My wife, she of the English degree, reads nothing but "Inspirational fiction."* I read a few pages out of one of them, and it's obvious no one even edited the book. This is, I think, a fairly successful author, and her prose was just poke-your-eyes-out terrible. Like something out of junior high, written by someone who's never read a book before.
*OK, OK, she's also reading a book by Temple Grandin, and she just finished something about Julia Childs. Still...
Fistful, I don't care what ideology is doing it, they can at least come up with their own crap. Stop making it all about Christians. The world actually does not revolve around your stupid religion.
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Um, if that's a joke, I didn't get it. I was responding to what you wrote about some Christian novellas and Christian rock.
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Every time you masturbate, a new Christian album is made using Nickelback songs.
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Um, if that's a joke, I didn't get it. I was responding to what you wrote about some Christian novellas and Christian rock.
I don't like it when people blatantly rip *expletive deleted*it off. This is the same reason I trolled TWAW, because they ripped off Pax.
and Christians are not above doing this, so don't take your holier than thou attitude with me.
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Every time you masturbate, a new Christian album is made using Nickelback songs.
A self-punishing sin in more ways than one.
I don't like it when people blatantly rip *expletive deleted*it off. This is the same reason I trolled TWAW, because they ripped off Pax.
and Christians are not above doing this, so don't take your holier than thou attitude with me.
I think less holier than thou and more a weak copy of a secular dudgeon.
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I don't like it when people blatantly rip *expletive deleted*it off. This is the same reason I trolled TWAW, because they ripped off Pax.
and Christians are not above doing this, so don't take your holier than thou attitude with me.
Might want to look in a mirror for an attitude check Ms High Horse
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Might want to look in a mirror for an attitude check Ms High Horse
Who did I rip off? Please tell me, because I really want to know.
Or are you just cranky because I called your religion stupid?
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I don't like it when people blatantly rip *expletive deleted*it off. This is the same reason I trolled TWAW, because they ripped off Pax.
and Christians are not above doing this, so don't take your holier than thou attitude with me.
I think you may have misunderstood me.
Now here is something awful for us both to mock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O88Dh0YkTHo
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Who did I rip off? Please tell me, because I really want to know.
Or are you just cranky because I called your religion stupid?
You demonstrate a similar attitude to "holier than thou" pretty regularly. Especially regarding your progressive proclivities.
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[checks calendar] Is it Beat Up Liz Day?
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[checks calendar] Is it Beat Up Liz Day?
Apparently ;/
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You demonstrate a similar attitude to "holier than thou" pretty regularly. Especially regarding your progressive proclivities.
If I'm a pot, than you are definitely a kettle.
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Someone's cranky this morning. You might want to check yourself on the holier than thou BS on a whole list of topics before you start poking at other folk for it.
Sent from my iPhone. Freaking autocorrect.
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What this article/author either fails to recognize, or chooses to ignore, is that tastes and styles change. Art, music, literature, clothing, hairstyles...it all changes according to what the current style is, or what's in fashion. The author focuses on Christian pop culture (cartoons) and music, but in large part this is about human beings. Children dislike the music of their parents. They dress differently. The like different art. Different TV shows. It's the way it is. Add to this the massive influence that social media and internet access have, and you start to see how trends and styles vary by the month, or even by the week. All of this "cultural appropriation" crap seems to ignore this as well. Complain all you want, but it's going to continue. Christian rock and rap are not going anywhere. Veggie Tales will continue until something...better or worse...comes along and takes its place.