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Title: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: Viking on July 22, 2016, 01:55:14 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36870874

1 dead according to news sources, sources on reddit claims 12+ dead and four separate shootings.

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Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center in Munich, Germany
Post by: makattak on July 22, 2016, 01:56:37 PM
IMPOSSIBLE! The president told me other countries don't have mass shootings.
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: Balog on July 22, 2016, 02:26:38 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-36870986

3 shooters, still on the loose, cops saying to stay indoors, trains shut down. Scrol down for possible video of one shooter. Today marks the start of construction on a memorial for the Israeli athletes killed in the 70's.
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: Viking on July 22, 2016, 02:35:08 PM
Likelyhood of Screaming Beard(tm) increased to absolute certainty once there's more than one shooter.
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: makattak on July 22, 2016, 02:37:28 PM
Likelyhood of Screaming Beard(tm) increased to absolute certainty once there's more than one shooter.

I'm sorry, it's clearly right wing militia members.

Of course, if it's not, we'll never really know why the peaceful followers of the religion of peace founded by Muhammed, Peace be upon him peacefully murdered several infidels.
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: Balog on July 22, 2016, 03:06:50 PM
Official confirmation of at least six dead.
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: Balog on July 22, 2016, 03:16:16 PM
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Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: MillCreek on July 22, 2016, 03:22:06 PM
^^^ I am not sure from the picture, but would I want to carry my flashbangs or grenades directly over my testicles?
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 22, 2016, 03:27:33 PM
This video has been making the rounds.  Not sure if real:

https://twitter.com/martens_cj/status/756552125950337024
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: T.O.M. on July 22, 2016, 03:39:51 PM
^^^ I am not sure from the picture, but would I want to carry my flashbangs or grenades directly over my testicles?

Agreed.  And it looks like this guy also has half a dozen shotgun shells dead center on his vest, but he's not armed with a shotgun...  Interesting.
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: birdman on July 22, 2016, 03:43:15 PM
Agreed.  And it looks like this guy also has half a dozen shotgun shells dead center on his vest, but he's not armed with a shotgun...  Interesting.

Maybe he has a masterkey tucked somewhere
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: Balog on July 22, 2016, 03:55:36 PM
This video has been making the rounds.  Not sure if real:

https://twitter.com/martens_cj/status/756552125950337024


I'm watching Sky News live, and they have referenced deaths outside of a McDonalds so I believe it is genuine.

This is apparently both the start of construction for a monument for the Israelis killed in Munich in the 70's, as well as the fifth anniversary of Breiviks killings. There is a video they played on the live feed of one of the gunmen on a roof who got into a shouting match with the guy filming. If that is an accurate video it may be a native German attack, not Islamic.
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: AJ Dual on July 22, 2016, 03:57:35 PM
I'm guessing the PC/LBV was already set up with different items, breaching rounds etc. but didn't take the breacher. If there's a barricade situation, it seems reasonable there might be time to run and go get it, or it's slung around behind his back and you can't see it.

I can't imagine in an active shooter situation you'd take the time to configure or load up the pouches on your vest.

I'm watching Sky News live, and they have referenced deaths outside of a McDonalds so I believe it is genuine.

This is apparently both the start of construction for a monument for the Israelis killed in Munich in the 70's, as well as the fifth anniversary of Breiviks killings. There is a video they played on the live feed of one of the gunmen on a roof who got into a shouting match with the guy filming. If that is an accurate video it may be a native German attack, not Islamic.

Well, it's not like a Muslim man in Germany is automatically going to be wearing a thobe, or a kameez etc. Dark black hair, and a (maybe) olive complexion... from what little I could see... Otherwise looked like pants and a soccer jersey.

And as to the date? (shrug) there's enough mass shootings or terrorist attacks, anniversaries of somethingorother the odds are good you could always find one that's relevant.

And Anders Breiviks shooting was on his fellow Norwegians, but he did target a big summer camp sponsored/run by the Leftist political party that was pushing for middle eastern immigration. Not sure if you'd pick that from an islamist stance as tit-for-tat, just over rub-salt-in-it general cussedness or what.
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: Balog on July 22, 2016, 04:12:44 PM
AJ, in the video they translator on Sky said the man claimed to be a native German. But who knows, at this point it's all just speculation.
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 22, 2016, 04:14:04 PM
CNN just interviewed a patron of the McDonald's.  She said the attackers were shouting "Allahu Ackbar!" and mainly targeted children.

Also, from Reuters and the Telegraph, ISIS is claiming responsibility:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/22/shots-fired-at-munich-shopping-centre/

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"(Reuters) - Supporters of the Islamic State jihadi group celebrated on social media a shooting rampage in a shopping mall in the southern German city of Munich on Friday that killed and wounded many people.

"Thank God, may God bring prosperity to our Islamic State men," read one tweet in Arabic on an account that regularly favours the radical Islamist movement.

"The Islamic State is expanding in Europe," read an Arabic-language tweet on another account also known to support the group."
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 22, 2016, 04:28:39 PM
Has Obama blamed this on the NRA and Trumps hate filled convention speech yet?
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: AJ Dual on July 22, 2016, 04:36:44 PM
Has Obama blamed this on the NRA and Trumps hate filled convention speech yet?


Thread on Democratic Underground hoping/guessing it's neo-nazis... does that count?  ;/
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: fifth_column on July 22, 2016, 04:39:14 PM
Has Obama blamed this on the NRA and Trumps hate filled convention speech yet?


No, but he did joke and try to ratchet up the fear:

http://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/pres-obama-weighs-in-on-munich-shooting-rampage/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/pres-obama-weighs-in-on-munich-shooting-rampage/)
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: birdman on July 22, 2016, 05:15:58 PM
W.r.t. Trump's speech, combined with Obama's criticism of it with Mexico's president just minutes before the Munich attack....I wonder how the poll numbers have changed.  I'm sure HRC's speech writers have just had an aneurysm since their touchy-feely is the right way response speech just got trashed.
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: KD5NRH on July 22, 2016, 05:46:27 PM
CNN just interviewed a patron of the McDonald's.

Was this a shooting or a tornado?  Did she have curlers and a Marlboro?

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She said the attackers were shouting "Allahu Ackbar!"

Couldn't possibly mean they have any ties to radical Islam.  Probably just the night shift coming in for some workplace violence.

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and mainly targeted children.

Oh now there's a way to make your cause popular.  Heck, at this point, I think we should just issue a letter of marque on ISIS and cut a deal with the KKK, Aryan Nation, Mafia, etc. to take care of the problem.
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: agricola on July 22, 2016, 05:54:51 PM
news over here is reporting one shooter, possibly German, and shouted some anti-foreigner stuff

this is the fifth anniversary of Breivik's murders in Norway as well, which may be relevant

Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: Scout26 on July 22, 2016, 08:11:49 PM
Checking the BBC, they haven't ID they shooter as German (hence, Neo-Nazi), because if it had been, all the media outlets would be crowing about him.


I'll take "Religion of Peace" for $500, Alex...
Title: Re:
Post by: makattak on July 22, 2016, 08:22:31 PM
They are reporting he shot himself.  If true, that is outside the SOP of Muslim terrorists.  

They kill themselves all the time, yes, just not with a gun.
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 22, 2016, 08:49:19 PM
Sky News says the perp is/was an 18 year old German-Iranian who had been living in Munich:

http://news.sky.com/story/munich-gunman-was-18-year-old-german-iranian-10510059

Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 22, 2016, 09:39:54 PM
news over here is reporting one shooter, possibly German, and shouted some anti-foreigner stuff


In your face, ISIS!


If the Sky article is correct about him being a German-Iranian, that would make him an Iranian of German descent. So what motive does that suggest?  =|
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: Scout26 on July 22, 2016, 10:59:20 PM
A Muslim Neo-Nazi?


(not outside the realm of possibility..)
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: agricola on July 23, 2016, 07:26:15 AM
well they do agree about almost everything
Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: Angel Eyes on July 23, 2016, 01:45:30 PM
well they do agree about almost everything

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Title: Re: Possible mass shooting in shopping center (+ other places) in Munich, Germany
Post by: makattak on July 25, 2016, 09:34:07 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/24/europe/germany-munich-shooting/

It looks like this may be a crazy "mass shooter".... which I'm told don't happen in other countries.

Interestingly, the killer may be named Ali- so it's possible we just had a muslim mass shooter unconnected to terrorism.

OR, he may have been both psychotic and inspired by islamic terrorism.

Given the paucity of information provided by the German police, I'm guessing it's not going to reflect well on their immigration policy, whatever the case.

Another note: Germany has the kind of laws the gun grabbers want here... and an underage, crazy (as in, reportedly had already had psychiatric treatment) killer was still able to procure a gun and ammunition. Funny that.