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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Hawkmoon on August 31, 2016, 12:54:38 PM
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According to the news, Hillary was still sending classified information from her private, secret e-mail account/server months AFTER she had left the State Department.
http://nypost.com/2016/08/31/clinton-emailed-classified-information-after-leaving-state-dept/
Lowly enlisted personnel get fried over a single, accidental lapse, but this woman purposely and intentionally set up an entire system to circumvent the required security protocols of the government ... and she gets a whitewash.
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Because laws are for the little people.
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The saddest part about all this for me is that it's really starting to turn into "What difference, at this point does it make". I keep wondering if it's worth getting worked up about something that she apparently is going to get away with scott free.
It should be worth getting worked up about, but at what point is the blood pressure rise worth it when she can slide ride past this? It's just getting to be another item to add to the "time to go Galt" list.
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Time of war, treason, what could a military tribunal do?
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The saddest part about all this for me is that it's really starting to turn into "What difference, at this point does it make". I keep wondering if it's worth getting worked up about something that she apparently is going to get away with scott free.
It should be worth getting worked up about, but at what point is the blood pressure rise worth it when she can slide ride past this? It's just getting to be another item to add to the "time to go Galt" list.
I've stopped expecting justice in this country. We've just simply left the brief period in the history of the world where the Rule of Law was the order in the West and are returning to the rule of men and tribalism, as most of the world has had throughout history.
I'm by no means pleased, but I don't see any way I can stop it.
(I know the One who can, but most of our country isn't interested in His help.)
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She's a CLINTON!
Isn't THAT enough? ;/ :police: [popcorn]
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I've stopped expecting justice in this country. We've just simply left the brief period in the history of the world where the Rule of Law was the order in the West and are returning to the rule of men and tribalism, as most of the world has had throughout history.
I'm by no means pleased, but I don't see any way I can stop it.
(I know the One who can, but most of our country isn't interested in His help.)
General James Mattis, who is going to cross the Potomac with 100000 Marines any day now to restore the Republic to it's former glory?
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General James Mattis, who is going to cross the Potomac with 100000 Marines any day now to restore the Republic to it's former glory?
I'd shave my beard and crash diet tomorrow to re-up for that deployment >:D
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If Hillary goes to jail and gets elected, can she pardon herself?
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According to the news, Hillary was still sending classified information from her private, secret e-mail account/server months AFTER she had left the State Department.
http://nypost.com/2016/08/31/clinton-emailed-classified-information-after-leaving-state-dept/
Lowly enlisted personnel get fried over a single, accidental lapse, but this woman purposely and intentionally set up an entire system to circumvent the required security protocols of the government ... and she gets a whitewash.
Because our ruling class is evil and gives not a tinker's damn about equitable application of the law or personal corruption.
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Don't forget that she joked with Jimmy Kimmel, what's a few more emails? Especially when "a few" = 15,000? Some of them classified, some of them about Benghazi, all of them on an unsecure system.
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I've pretty well resigned myself to Hillary being the next president.
[barf]
It's not a pleasant concept but I've reached a point where listening to political news and coverage spikes my BP.
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If Hillary goes to jail and gets elected, can she pardon herself?
Won't need to, I see Obama giving her one right before the election.
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Won't need to, I see Obama giving her one right before the election.
Agreed.
To answer Lupinus, yes, I think she could pardon herself.
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Won't need to, I see Obama giving her one right before the election.
Good point. Swearing her in while she's in a prison jump suit out in the prison yard would probably be bad PR.
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General James Mattis, who is going to cross the Potomac with 100000 Marines any day now to restore the Republic to it's former glory?
You know it's bad when people start joking about having a Caesar take over...
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The two-tiered justice system won't stop until the people demonstrate to the elites the price they will pay for skirting the law. It will have to be a price paid in blood, since there are no prosecutors that will bring charges against the elites, and no courts that will apply prison sentences.
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Why isn't the FBI in prison? http://reason.com/blog/2016/08/31/the-fbi-distributes-child-pornography-to
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The two-tiered justice system won't stop until the people demonstrate to the elites the price they will pay for skirting the law. It will have to be a price paid in blood, since there are no prosecutors that will bring charges against the elites, and no courts that will apply prison sentences.
Incentives matter.
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Won't need to, I see Obama giving her one right before the election.
A pardon right before the election would look bad.
BUT . . . it wouldn't surprise me if he gave her one before her inauguration.
On the other hand, Clintons don't need pardons - I thought at one point she'd get one from her own husband when he was POTUS, but they managed to "fix" things otherwise.
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She's a CLINTON!
Isn't THAT enough? ;/ :police: [popcorn]
Pretty much my answer
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Relax . . . it might not be so bad.
Consider:
1. Virtually everything out of HRC's mouth on the campaign trail promises policies BAD for America.
2. HRC is unquestionably a pathological liar.
So . . . when a pathological liar promises to do ill, maybe she REALLY means she'll do good, right?
:rofl: :'( :rofl: :'( :rofl: :'( :rofl: :'(
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You know it's bad when people start joking about having a Caesar take over...
Who's joking?
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Relax . . . it might not be so bad.
Consider:
1. Virtually everything out of HRC's mouth on the campaign trail promises policies BAD for America.
2. HRC is unquestionably a pathological liar.
So . . . when a pathological liar promises to do ill, maybe she REALLY means she'll do good, right?
:rofl: :'( :rofl: :'( :rofl: :'( :rofl: :'(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlMegqgGORY&feature=youtu.be&t=1m7s
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You know it's bad when people start joking about having a Caesar take over...
While not my preferred course of action, it is not to be dismissed as impossible or even improbable. Like Rome, we are no longer a republic, but a multi-ethnic empire. And multi-ethnic empires wanting in social cohesion need an overwhelmingly powerful executive to function. If you want the multi-ethnic empire to continue to function, that is.
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So the Potomac is the Rubicon? ???
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You know it's bad when people start joking about having a Caesar take over...
http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/12/general-mattis-crosses-potomac-100000-troops-president-senate-flee-city/
http://terminallance.com/2016/04/08/terminal-lance-election-season-2016/
Some people have brought up to General Mattis, his response has been consistent. “The qualities that you [Marines] see in me are not necessarily the qualities that would endear me to others.”
I loath the concept of a military coup. They rarely make things better, and very regularly make things a lot worse. For every General Mattis, you have at least a hundred General Amos. That said, every generation has a significant number of people that desperately want a King. The lure of monarchism or strong man, or dictator, or whatever is always a threat.
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http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/12/general-mattis-crosses-potomac-100000-troops-president-senate-flee-city/
http://terminallance.com/2016/04/08/terminal-lance-election-season-2016/
Some people have brought up to General Mattis, his response has been consistent. “The qualities that you [Marines] see in me are not necessarily the qualities that would endear me to others.”
I loath the concept of a military coup. They rarely make things better, and very regularly make things a lot worse. For every General Mattis, you have at least a hundred General Amos. That said, every generation has a significant number of people that desperately want a King. The lure of monarchism or strong man, or dictator, or whatever is always a threat.
The same can be said of literally every political transition except moving from Communism to something else.
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The day that (things I can't say or I will go to prison) get's elected president is the day the American flag on the front of our house goes inverted at a minimum...
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I think it would be less like crossing the Rubicon and more like storming the Bastille.....
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If I told why Hillary wasn't in prison I would die from a rifle round to the back the head that would be ruled a... Wait someone is knocking on the door
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If I told why Hillary wasn't in prison I would die from a rifle round to the back the head that would be ruled a... Wait someone is knocking on the door
And found with a Form 27B suicide note complete with the paperwork reduction notice in small print at the bottom.
Excerpted:
REASON FOR SUICIDE (Check only one)
____ Wife cheating on me
____ Financial problems
____ Car ran out of gas
____ Ethical conflict at work
____ Other (explain on separate sheet)
>:D :rofl:
I'm not signing this one so nobody will know who po
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And found with a Form 27B suicide note complete with the paperwork reduction notice in small print at the bottom.
Ah, yes -- those one-page documents with 17 pages of instructions explaining how the .gov is reducing the use of paper. Those alone would be enough to dive a person to suicide if he/she had to deal with them on a regular basis.
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http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/12/general-mattis-crosses-potomac-100000-troops-president-senate-flee-city/
http://terminallance.com/2016/04/08/terminal-lance-election-season-2016/
Some people have brought up to General Mattis, his response has been consistent. “The qualities that you [Marines] see in me are not necessarily the qualities that would endear me to others.”
I loath the concept of a military coup. They rarely make things better, and very regularly make things a lot worse. For every General Mattis, you have at least a hundred General Amos. That said, every generation has a significant number of people that desperately want a King. The lure of monarchism or strong man, or dictator, or whatever is always a threat.
Some of us would prefer/are hoping for a Cincinnatus or a Washington.
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Another summary of Clinton's crimes:
http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/06/sorry-mark-cuban-hillary-clinton-unquestionably-guilty/
Or at least, the email/classified-info-handling ones...
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Posted in error - please delete
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Posted in error - please delete
Too late, her people saw it.
Don't Fall Asleep.
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Posted in error - please delete
Am I in your will?
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Posted in error - please delete
Could you let the people who are writing your suicide note know that I call dibs on your stuff?
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Another summary of Clinton's crimes:
http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/06/sorry-mark-cuban-hillary-clinton-unquestionably-guilty/
Or at least, the email/classified-info-handling ones...
Daniel Payne [author of fistful's linked article] is a senior contributor at The Federalist. He currently runs the blog Trial of the Century, and lives in Virginia.
He'd better move.
Is there a Critic's Protection Program like for Witnesses?
Or maybe he has good woodcraft skills.
Terry
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Update: Colin Powell has now gone public and stated that what he told Ms. Clinton is not at all what she did. He used a person AOL account for non-secure e-mails, but he used a state.gov account for classified messages. And he made the point that when he became Secretary of State the department's IT was in bad shape, and he directed considerable attention to getting it upgraded.
https://theintercept.com/2016/09/13/colin-powell-emails/
He also says he asked the Clinton team multiple times to stop trying to blame her mess on him.
“They are going to dick up the legitimate and necessary use of emails with friggin record rules. I saw email more like a telephone than a cable machine,” Powell wrote last year to his business partner Jeffrey Leeds. “As long as the stuff is unclassified. I had a secure State.gov machine. Everything HRC touches she kind of screws up with hubris.”
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Clinton sought Powell’s advice at a dinner on June 16, 2009 at former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright’s house, according to the emails. Powell gave Clinton “written guidance on why and how [he] had been doing it.” Also in attendance were former secretaries of state Condoleezza Rice, Lawrence Eagleburger, George Schultz, Warren Christopher, James Baker and Henry Kissinger.
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Even when the truth would serve them better the Clintons would rather climb a ladder and lie than sit down and tell the truth.
If they had come straight out with the pneumonia "story" they could have spun it 6 ways from Sunday and scored massive sympathy points. "Yes, she is sick but really wanted to honor the 9/11 victims...."
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I don't think either of them know what the truth is anymore.
Both of them are, I believe, disbarred attorneys.
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Both of them are, I believe, disbarred attorneys.
Both of the Obama's "voluntarily" surrendered their law licenses many, many years ago. Our resident tile crawlers can explain the possible meanings behind that action....
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http://observer.com/2016/09/exclusive-hillary-clinton-campaign-systematically-overcharging-poorest-donors/
Now it is being reported that Hillary's campaign is systematically overcharging small (poor) donors. And that she did the same thing eight years ago, when she was running against Obama.
It seems there is nothing too sleazy for the Clinton's to involve themselves in.
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^ Recommended reading.
Apparently it's been noted before by the MSM:
The New York Times reported in 2007 that Clinton’s first presidential campaign had to refund and subtract hundreds of thousands of dollars from its first-quarter total often because donors’ credit cards were charged twice. Additionally, it was reported that Clinton had to refund a stunning $2.8 million in donations, three times more than the $900K President Barack Obama’s campaign refunded.
Obama, too?
I was amused by this:
The source [see posted article --230RN] said that pornography companies often deploy a similar arrangement pull [sic]. “We see this same scheme with a lot of seedy porn companies,” the source said. The source also notes that the dozens of phone calls his department receives daily are from people who notice the fraudulent charges on their statements.
"The end justifies the means." (Origin not clear.)
Terry
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Apparently it's been noted before by the MSM:
Obama, too?
One expects a certain amount of refunds - they're setting up for a relatively brief period of time, probably pulling in money/donations from multiple locations using volunteers. Stuff gets misplaced.
Now, in order to determine the scope of the problem, I'd want to see how much a few Republicans like Bush had to refund, and how their refund rate (% of transactions and money reversed) compares to say, charities and commercial businesses like Walmart.
Knowing that having to refund money is a thing for nearly anybody taking money (including criminals when they're forced to pay restitution), the question becomes, was the amount reasonable?
Considering that in 2012 Obama broke $1B (http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/barack-obama-mitt-romney-both-topped-1-billion-in-2012-084737), a refund rate of less than 0.1% isn't something that I feel we can legitimately criticize him for.
And that's before you get into things like them deciding they don't want donations from 'politically negative' sources.
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Merged. Same thread title, same original poster, same topic.
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Merged. Same thread title, same original poster, same topic.
so, he's posting like democrats vote....
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I swear, I'm an unaffiliated voter and always have been. Any resemblance between me and a Democrat (or a Republican, for that matter) is accidental and coincidental.
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so, he's posting like democrats vote....
When the hell did Hawk die?!?
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Both of the Obama's "voluntarily" surrendered their law licenses many, many years ago. Our resident tile crawlers can explain the possible meanings behind that action....
Proof that "lawyer" is not the ultimate form.
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http://observer.com/2016/09/exclusive-hillary-clinton-campaign-systematically-overcharging-poorest-donors/
Now it is being reported that Hillary's campaign is systematically overcharging small (poor) donors. And that she did the same thing eight years ago, when she was running against Obama.
It seems there is nothing too sleazy for the Clinton's to involve themselves in.
I could call her campaign "deplorable"...but it is not sufficient. Repugnant, repellant & repulsive are not unsuitable here. "Evil" does seem to fit, but it's still lacking.
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I could call her campaign "deplorable"...but it is not sufficient. Repugnant, repellant & repulsive are not unsuitable here. "Evil" does seem to fit, but it's still lacking.
Cthulhu like?
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Cthulhu like?
Don't talk about Cthulu like that. Cthulu doesn't lie.
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"Evil" does seem to fit, but it's still lacking.
Evil, but also imbecilic in the transparency of the lies and disturbing in the apathy required to not hire a better coverup manager. Evimbathetic seems to be getting closer.
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Evil, but also imbecilic in the transparency of the lies and disturbing in the apathy required to not hire a better coverup manager. Evimbathetic seems to be getting closer.
Is that a REAL word? ???
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Is that a REAL word? ???
well, DUH! It's on the internet so it has to be real.
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One expects a certain amount of refunds - they're setting up for a relatively brief period of time, probably pulling in money/donations from multiple locations using volunteers. Stuff gets misplaced.
Now, in order to determine the scope of the problem, I'd want to see how much a few Republicans like Bush had to refund, and how their refund rate (% of transactions and money reversed) compares to say, charities and commercial businesses like Walmart.
Knowing that having to refund money is a thing for nearly anybody taking money (including criminals when they're forced to pay restitution), the question becomes, was the amount reasonable?
Considering that in 2012 Obama broke $1B (http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/barack-obama-mitt-romney-both-topped-1-billion-in-2012-084737), a refund rate of less than 0.1% isn't something that I feel we can legitimately criticize him for.
And that's before you get into things like them deciding they don't want donations from 'politically negative' sources.
I would expect that political campaign refunds to be at or very, very close to zero. You can't make a donation to political campaign, take it home and discover it doesn't fit, is the wrong color, or any of a myriad reasons people return stuff to retail stores (including finding receipts in the parking lot, going in and shoplifting the item(s), then "returning" it to get the cash."
They doing it intentionally to small (under$100) donors, then charging them again in small amounts in the hope they don't notice, while keeping it below $100 so it doesn't trigger bank fraud software. I'm actually amazed that they would actually do something like that. First, because of the sheer audacity of it, and second for figuring all that out.
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Evil, but also imbecilic in the transparency of the lies and disturbing in the apathy required to not hire a better coverup manager. Evimbathetic seems to be getting closer.
Does sound Lovecraftian.
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Does sound Lovecraftian.
Outside the ordered universe [is] that amorphous blight of nethermost confusion which blasphemes and bubbles at the center of all infinity—the boundless daemon sultan Azathoth Hillary, whose name no lips dare speak aloud, and who gnaws hungrily in inconceivable, unlighted chambers beyond time and space amidst the muffled, maddening beating of vile drums and the thin monotonous whine of accursed flutes.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette4.wikia.nocookie.net%2Flovecraft%2Fimages%2F9%2F9e%2FAzathoth.png%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20151206073746&hash=141cf1a263b1775bf02d61f3eff626e359b1f5ac)