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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: makattak on October 11, 2016, 09:12:48 AM
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https://www.bustle.com/articles/182414-why-we-need-to-stop-calling-women-girls
Oh, sorry. It's the other way, so somehow, it isn't stupid.
For all her insipid points, here's the one that particularly sticks out:
4. There Is No Male Equivalent
Some might try to argue that we address men as "guys" all the time, but that's not the equivalent to women being called girls. Merriam-Webster defines guy as "man, fellow." There's nothing age-specific about it, so when the word is used on men, it doesn't bear the same patronizing, infantilizing undertones. For women, though, there is no term out there that can serve as a stand-in for "guy." We're simply referred to as girls or women, while men are called boys, then guys, then men.
After high school graduation, you likely won't hear your brother and his friends being called "boys" by anyone other than your mother.1 Have you ever heard your male co-workers called "boys" in an important meeting by their boss, for instance? Doubt it.2 They're called guys or men, neither of which carry a loaded history of sexism.
In fact, if you were to call a group of grown-ass men "boys" when they're going about their lives as adults, they would probably take offense and demand that you take it back.3 Yet they'll turn around a second later and ask "the girls" what they want to drink.4 It's a senseless exchange,5 and it's one that men will never truly understand until it's explained to them6, which is why parents should raise the boys of this next generation to never use this term when talking about women.7
1. Really? No one ever refers to groups of men as "boys"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boys_of_Summer_(book)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/boys36/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112442/
Can I get you boys something? (https://books.google.com/books?id=GXKElT8Isd8C&pg=PA4-IA1&lpg=PA4-IA1&dq=can+i+get+you+boys+something?+waitress&source=bl&ots=_7S1S28UuU&sig=_4i7U6vHMSZPUdCP2dJTRV7O5wA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjFyuG269LPAhWCgj4KHQXmCkAQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=can%20i%20get%20you%20boys%20something%3F%20waitress&f=false)
And those are just off the top of my head that I can provide documentation for quickly. Seriously, ma'am, get over yourself.
2. I also doubt that female co-workers are called girls by ANYONE other than other females, given the fear of sexual harassment charges.
3. You think they would? What world does this woman live in?
4. Right. EXACTLY after being called out in this fantasy world you live in, the waiter would call a bunch of women girls. Or the imaginary men that objected to being called boys, would immediately call women girls. Of course.
5. Oh, hey, we agree on something... oh, you weren't meaning the entirety of what you've been typing.
6. No, no. I understand perfectly that you're looking for something innocuous to be offended by since real sexism has been driven from the public square.
7. I'll be raising my boy not to be an idiot, which doesn't entail any kind of stupidity about avoiding offending the perpetually offended.
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Just another
person SJW trying to find something to be outraged about. Nothing to see here; move along.
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Boys rule, girls drool.
=D
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What was it Reagan called those men/guys/boys who scaled the cliffs at Pointe du Hoc?
Also, if she wanted a female equivalent to "guy," why not "gal"? (Or "doll"? :laugh:) Either English isn't this girl's first language, or she's a very stupid girl, or the girl's having us on. Or all three. And why isn't this "grown-a** woman" worried about using the backside as a synecdoche for the whole person? ;)
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For women, though, there is no term out there that can serve as a stand-in for "guy."
??? What ever happened to the female counterpart for guys, "gals"?
Males ==> Females
Men <==> Women
Boys <==> Girls
Lads <==> Lassies
Blokes <==> Sheilas
Guys <==> Gals
I fail to perceive any problem of correlation.
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Incidentally, I DID find evidence of a man take umbrage at being called a boy.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/warren-sapp-stiffs-waitress-for-horrible-service-waitress-responds/
Warren Sapp got angry and stiffed a waitress for it. And, as far as I can tell, most people think he's a thin-skinned moron for it, ESPECIALLY men.
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Never heard of the "Old Boy" network I suppose? Here in the South "Boy, you done feked up!" is REAL popular, usually heard just before a butt whoopin. There's also the ever popular "that boy jus ain't rite."
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Hanging out with the boys.
And yet, girls' night out is a pretty common term among women.
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And yet, girls' night out is a pretty common term among women.
BECAUSE THEY'VE INTERNALIZED THE PATRIARCHY!!11!1!111!
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Also, "guys" is/can be all inclusive as in "hey guys, let's go to the club" said to a mixed group. I use it that way all the time. Have for YEARS.
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Also, "guys" is/can be all inclusive as in "hey guys, let's go to the club" said to a mixed group. I use it that way all the time. Have for YEARS.
Which is a microagression.
Because grammar is sexist.
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Which is a microagression.
Because grammar is sexist.
Something about "if they can't take a joke" and the equine they rode in on...
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I refer to men as boys all the time. Most woman I know do.
And the thing is, when we do it, it isn't age neutral. :lol:
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I refer to men as boys all the time. Most woman I know do.
And the thing is, when we do it, it isn't age neutral. :lol:
Men do it, to. It's common in the English-speaking world, and isn't seen as derogatory (unless you're talking about racially-specific usage).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy#Uses_of_the_term_.22boy.22_and_related_terms
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Men do it, to. It's common in the English-speaking world, and isn't seen as derogatory (unless you're talking about racially-specific usage).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy#Uses_of_the_term_.22boy.22_and_related_terms
Even without the racial connotations, it can be used derogatorily or at least with disapproval. But, of course, so can the word "girl".
THANKFULLY, we have such wonderful things as context and speech tone and other cues to know whether something is meant negatively, positively, or innocuously.
That requires critical thinking and reading, though, which I have been told is sexist and racist (http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=52831.0).
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Oh, yeah, it can be negative. As you say, context, etc.
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Check that chick :lol: writer out at Bustle for more SJW stupidity. [barf]
I always enjoy the waitress girls who come to your table and use the term "Yooz Gyz" or "What would Yooz Gyzis like to order". :lol:
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My wife often refers to "boy behavior" as a positive usually in reference their ability to learn things through hacking, experiment, tinkering.
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My wife often refers to "boy behavior" as a positive usually in reference their ability to learn things through hacking, experiment, tinkering.
As opposed to women's inability to learn or even believe what's explained to them?
"Ok, I need you to turn on the computer"
"Are you sure?"
"Well, I've been doing this for ten years, and have quite a bit of specialized training, but now that you mention it, the most important factor is that I'm 800 miles away on the other end of a phone line and well out of the blast radius."
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Also, "guys" is/can be all inclusive as in "hey guys, let's go to the club" said to a mixed group. I use it that way all the time. Have for YEARS.
The first time I encountered that was in a restaurant somewhere in Virginia, not too far from Dulles Airport. I was there on business, with two other men and two women. The waitress came by and asked "What would you guys like to drink?"
This was about 1993, plus or minus a year. I was shocked.
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The first time I encountered that was in a restaurant somewhere in Virginia, not too far from Dulles Airport. I was there on business, with two other men and two women. The waitress came by and asked "What would you guys like to drink?"
This was about 1993, plus or minus a year. I was shocked.
I hear it all the time, even when no men/guys/boys/oppressors are part of the group.
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My wife often refers to "boy behavior" as a positive usually in reference their ability to learn things through hacking, experiment, tinkering.
As opposed to women's inability to learn or even believe what's explained to them?
She has her PhD in Engineering, 20 years experience, an MBA, and teaches university statistics on the side. Are you really sure that you want to go there?
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She has her PhD in Engineering, 20 years experience, an MBA, and teaches university statistics on the side. Are you really sure that you want to go there?
"Those who can, do..." (ducks and wheels quickly away)