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Title: Moar judicial tyranny
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 14, 2016, 04:55:24 PM

http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/14/federal-court-christian-pregnancy-centers-must-tell-patients-can-get-abortions/

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A federal court just ruled that pregnancy centers have to tell their patients where they can get publicly-funded contraception and an abortion—even if it violates their religious beliefs.

I guess the next lawsuit will be over whether they're allowed to say "If you want to murder your baby, go here."

Title: Re: Moar judicial tyranny
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 14, 2016, 07:37:36 PM

Are they only required to tell women where they can get an abortion iif they ask, are they required to tell women where to get an abortion if that's the choice they make, or are they required to "advocate for" abortion? The article seems to say they are required to advocate for abortion, which seems like a bit of a stretch even for the 9th Circus.

Title: Re: Moar judicial tyranny
Post by: Fly320s on October 14, 2016, 08:26:15 PM

I don't see how giving information to a woman is violating her 1st Amendment rights. 

Title: Re: Moar judicial tyranny
Post by: TommyGunn on October 14, 2016, 11:35:13 PM

Quote from: Fly320s on October 14, 2016, 08:26:15 PM

I don't see how giving information to a woman is violating her 1st Amendment rights. 

I think the problem is in forcing the pregnancy center that is run by Christians to pass out info on where the patient can get an abortion,  thus "aiding & abetting" the abortion/murder.

Title: Re: Moar judicial tyranny
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 14, 2016, 11:42:08 PM

Quote from: Fly320s on October 14, 2016, 08:26:15 PM

I don't see how giving information to a woman is violating her 1st Amendment rights. 

The problem is requiring the centers to provide information that's contrary to their religious convictions. It's like a reverse 1st Amendment situation -- instead of telling them they can't say something they want to say, here the .gov is telling them they must say something they don't want to say.

Title: Re: Moar judicial tyranny
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 15, 2016, 01:08:07 AM

Hey, you shouldn't go into the bakery abortion-alternative business, if you're not willing to bake a same-sex wedding cake give directions to an abortion-provider, right?

Title: Re: Moar judicial tyranny
Post by: Fly320s on October 15, 2016, 06:50:11 AM

Quote from: TommyGunn on October 14, 2016, 11:35:13 PM

I think the problem is in forcing the pregnancy center that is run by Christians to pass out info on where the patient can get an abortion,  thus "aiding & abetting" the abortion/murder.

Ah, got it.  That makes sense.  Guess I misread the article.

Title: Re: Moar judicial tyranny
Post by: RevDisk on October 15, 2016, 10:27:52 AM

Are they taking government funding? If yes, well, you take the King's shilling and all that. If not, that is a significant violation of the First Amendment.

Title: Re: Moar judicial tyranny
Post by: lee n. field on October 15, 2016, 10:34:28 AM

Quote from: RevDisk on October 15, 2016, 10:27:52 AM

Are they taking government funding?

Those I'm familiar with, I don't think so.  There may be a deal locally, for getting sonograms done.

Title: Re:
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on October 15, 2016, 11:11:29 AM

And does pp have to give folks the same ?

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