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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Viking on December 08, 2016, 02:36:00 AM
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Have anyone else besides me seen this being talked about in the last week or so? Seems like all of a sudden, every newspaper and channel is pushing this idea, along with Facebook & Google saying they will implement ways to ensure only True News are being indexed in search engines/shared on Facebook. I'm sure that they will be 100% objective in deciding which news are fake.
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Have anyone else besides me seen this being talked about in the last week or so? Seems like all of a sudden, every newspaper and channel is pushing this idea, along with Facebook & Google saying they will implement ways to ensure only True News are being indexed in search engines/shared on Facebook. I'm sure that they will be 100% objective in deciding which news are fake.
It's the narrative that the D's are trying to push in order to explain Hillary's defeat. The MSN is happy to go along with it both because they're Democrats with bylines, and because it attacks their new media competitors.
It's gotten so bad White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest had to explain the First Amendment to the Press Corps (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/12/nyt-reporter-why-cant-we-assassinate-conservatives.php) during a briefing because they were pushing the White House to crack down on "fake news" sites. Talk about a roll reversal....
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Ummm, yeah. Now what are they gonna do about "slanted news" from the professional left-mongers. You think they'll go that far?
Interesting that the first I've heard of this is from a foreign source... thanks, Viking. (Not that I'm absolutely up-to-date on every news tidbit.)
Terry
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Fake news has been around for a while . . .
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The fake news club exists only to beat news sources outside the msm and not bejolden to the Narrative.
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So many 1984 quotes come to mind:
“We do not merely destroy our enemies; we change them.”
“It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words.”
"Ignorance is strength.”
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Fake news has been around for a while . . .
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There is a difference in making a mistake and outright lying/manipulating the truth to fit an agenda.
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Interesting that the first I've heard of this is from a foreign source... thanks, Viking. (Not that I'm absolutely up-to-date on every news tidbit.)
"Fake news" has actually been a huge news story for the past few weeks.
I wish they'd been as outraged when Rather made up that story about Bush's National Guard Service. Or when no one called John Lewis an n-word. Or when Michael Brown had his hands up down. Or when George Zimmerman didn't racially profile. Or when semi-automatics were called "assault rifles." One could go on at some length.
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When Hillary Clinton was not fired on by snipers.
When Hillary Clinton said she was named after a mountain climber.
When Sarah Palin was not actually confused about geography. (Both times.)
When Missouri gun law reforms did not actually cause a crime wave.
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Why do they act like this is a new thing? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism and why can't we call it yellow journalism, since we've already got that term, instead of "fake news"?
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Seems like all of a sudden, every newspaper and channel is pushing this idea, along with Facebook & Google saying they will implement ways to ensure only True News are being indexed in search engines/shared on Facebook.
Facebook can't even stop the "if 3,928,417.6 people share this post Zuckerberg is going to give us each a Ferrari and the formula to cure cancer in quadriplegic orphans" posts.
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Well, of course I know that "yellow journalism" has been around since before Hearst, but this is the first time I've heard the "fake news" term applied to alternative net sources. It sounds like a recent invention of the left to control the language.
Assault weapon
Arsenal/cache of weapons
Thousands of rounds of ammunition
Could take out a whole city block
Deplorables
Gun-wielding redneck
Bambi killer
Reliable news sources
Semantics count. And they know it.
Terry
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Facebook can't even stop the "if 3,928,417.6 people share this post Zuckerberg is going to give us each a Ferrari and the formula to cure cancer in quadriplegic orphans" posts.
That's because the left that go out and infiltrate and patrol groups doesn't care about things like that.
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Anything that helps their side = Fair and Balanced truthful journalists doing their jobs. Flat out lies and manipulation to make the left look good? That's just what it takes to get the job done
Anything that doesn't jive with the leftist narritive (I.e. the actual truth) = Fake news manipulated by the Koch brothers.
That's all you need to know
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Anything that doesn't jive with the leftist narritive (I.e. the actual truth) = Fake news manipulated by the Koch brothers.
That's all you need to know
Except that the Koch brothers are opposing border security and deportation of illegal aliens., so it's hard for me to figure out just what they are or what (if anything) they stand for -- except, of course, more profits for the Kocj brothers.
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I like the term used in the comments here:
http://twitchy.com/loriz-3139/2016/12/09/journo-pushes-lie-about-trump-supporters-the-schooling-that-came-next-will-crack-you-up/
"Retraction journalism". Say anything you want, then retract it sometime later in a hard to read place. Damage done. The example at the link says it all, especially looking at the "retweet" comparison.
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Somebody help me, please. I just heard some clips on my car radio, of Brian Williams - yes, Brian. Williams. - complaining about various people spreading "fake news." Someone please tell me that's just a clever compilation of sound bytes, and he didn't really broach that topic.
No, wait. Don't tell me that. Watching the state-controlled media beclown themselves to this extent is just hilarious.
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Somebody help me, please. I just heard some clips on my car radio, of Brian Williams - yes, Brian. Williams. - complaining about various people spreading "fake news." Someone please tell me that's just a clever compilation of sound bytes, and he didn't really broach that topic.
No, wait. Don't tell me that. Watching the state-controlled media beclown themselves to this extent is just hilarious.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4018664/Former-NBC-Nightly-News-host-Brian-Williams-complains-fake-news.html
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Glenn Greenwald has a pretty good post about this up at The Intercept:
https://theintercept.com/2016/12/09/a-clinton-fan-manufactured-fake-news-that-msnbc-personalities-spread-to-discredit-wikileaks-docs/?comments=1#comments
He goes into detail about how MSNBC in particular spread fake news, yet is one of the biggest decriers of it.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4018664/Former-NBC-Nightly-News-host-Brian-Williams-complains-fake-news.html
[dies laughing]
[is resuscitated by Christine O'Donnell's witchcraft]
Found more fake news for your enjoyment, everyone.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-mistaken-history-segregationist-george-wallace-was-a-republican/
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Even Dan Rather opined about fake news, and he oughta know..
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Even Dan Rather opined about fake news, and he oughta know..
Ah, yes, he used forged documents from a dead man in an attempt to influence a national election.
And then there was Tom Brokaw at NBC whose report about exploding GMC pickups included video of a burning truck his minions at NBC had clandestinely rigged with an incendiary device . . .
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Ah, yes, he used forged documents from a dead man in an attempt to influence a national election.
And then there was Tom Brokaw at NBC whose report about exploding GMC pickups included video of a burning truck his minions at NBC had clandestinely rigged with an incendiary device . . .
Curse you, Breitbart, for making them do that!!
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It seems to me that Facebook and Google open themselves up to lawsuits if they actively try to purge news from their sites and searches. It could be seen as inhibiting free speech since the sites are otherwise wide open. At the least, it opens them up to regulation by the fedgov. In addition, if people notice their information being filtered, they will switch to other search engines and sites. I am not sure which is more likely to occur.
It would be interesting for a lawsuit to get far enough to allow discovery against Google.
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Yeah, I don't really rely on the book of faces to get my daily news.
For me it is just entertainment, watching the family members and friends bemoaning the state of their drama laden lives and reposting political memes to cause liberal butthurt makes my day.
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Jane, you ignorant slut.
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When people said the world is flat.
When people said that God is dead.
When we were told that anthropogenic climate change is established science.
When we were told Barack Obama deserved the Nobel Prize.
When we were told the mainstream media is neutral, honest, and on a quest for truth.
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I'll just leave this here:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/fake-news-how-partying-macedonian-teen-earns-thousands-publishing-lies-n692451
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amusing, that after years of manufacturing fake or altered news, the MSM feels the necessity to preach against their own product.
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amusing, that after years of manufacturing fake or altered news, the MSM feels the necessity to preach against their own product.
They resent the competition.
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I'll just leave this here:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/fake-news-how-partying-macedonian-teen-earns-thousands-publishing-lies-n692451
^ That's fake news.
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That's fake news.
^ That's a fake post.
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Hey ! Who the hell is posting in my personal fake name?
I'm going to call in Preacherman to investigate this.
Terry, 230RN
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Somebody must've hacked my account.
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Somebody must've hacked my account.
False flag operation by politicized CIA hacks. The Russians are too sophisticated to leave "fingerprints" of their presence. The CIA intentionally left behind "evidence".
Either that or it was aliens.
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False flag operation by politicized CIA hacks. The Russians are too sophisticated to leave "fingerprints" of their presence. The CIA intentionally left behind "evidence".
Either that or it was aliens.
^ That's a fake fake false-flag post, too.
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^ That's a fake fake false-flag post, too.
Is that like a double negative? You know, as in "It ain't not ..." means it is. So does a fake fake mean it's really genuine?
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You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you can't roller skate in a buffalo herd.
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You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you can't roller skate in a buffalo herd.
But you can be happy if you've a mind to!
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But you can be happy if you've a mind to!
You and your commie free bubble up rainbow stew.
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I'm sooooo confused...
Would fake news be like "Benghazi was caused by by a video" or "I did not have any classified intel on my private server" ?
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I'm sooooo confused...
Would fake news be like "Benghazi was caused by by a video" or "I did not have any classified intel on my private server" ?
Technically, those were both statements by a certain, former Secretary of State. "News" would be reporting that she said that. "Fake news" would be reporting that either statement had any validity.
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The National Propaganda Machine, aka Mainstream Media, has lost its monopoly on the citizenry's information consumption to low-cost independent mass information sharing via the internet.
"Fake News" is the operational strategy for their (political establishment/elite, reference DNC emails dictating weekly agenda and talking points to MSM networks) current information warfare campaign whose purpose is to simultaneously discredit the independent information sharing (to limit current damage to their campaign) and build a false-public-narative/mandate to push unconstitutional legislation to permanently silence the same (thus reestablishing their information monopoly.)
Previously this monopoly was maintained by the exorbitant cost of creating and operating a national/international news organization, like so many other things that are simply priced out of competition. The low-cost/any-size-audience aspect of the internet has rendered this impediment moot.
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Why do they act like this is a new thing? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism and why can't we call it yellow journalism, since we've already got that term, instead of "fake news"?
Because the people screaming "fake news!" are the yellow journalists.
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Well, of course I know that "yellow journalism" has been around since before Hearst, but this is the first time I've heard the "fake news" term applied to alternative net sources. It sounds like a recent invention of the left to control the language.
Assault weapon
Arsenal/cache of weapons
Thousands of rounds of ammunition
Could take out a whole city block
Deplorables
Gun-wielding redneck
Bambi killer
Reliable news sources
Semantics count. And they know it.
Terry
Linguistic Relativity is a thing and plays a major roll in manipulating a person's psychology.
Best personal example was an Army SSGT was giving me weapons instruction and he changed the wording of one of the four rules. Instead of "never point the gun at anything you are not willing to destroy," it became "never point the gun at anyone you are not willing to kill." While the former phrase technically carried the same definition as the latter phrase, the latter had/has a much greater impact on the mind as it pulls you from a general concept of destruction and killing to the very specific concept of ending another person's life.
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"Don't point a gun anywhere you can't fix the hole."
<Terry runs away laughing>
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You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you can't roller skate in a buffalo herd.
http://www.qcrg.net/people/buffalo-herd/
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Never herd of them before now.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ4T9CQA0UM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ4T9CQA0UM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-_O7nl0Ii0&feature=youtu.be&t=19s
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In other fake news, Dan Rather adjures us all to face reality.
https://twitter.com/DanRather/status/811726910145392640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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It's really sad when people who don't matter, don't know they don't matter. (Speaking of facing reality.)