Post by: The Rabbi on December 19, 2006, 01:03:19 PM
So I had two security guards walk into my shop today. One of them had been before and I guess it was good enough for him to come back. But the other one asked what kind of personal protection ammo I had. I told him mostly Gold Dots because that seems to be what people like and they work well. He told me he always used Federal Hydroshocks because "the bullet bounces around in the person's body and causes lots of damage."
Now, I have nothing against Hydroshocks and I am sure they work just fine but the fact that they "bounce around in the body" was a new one on me.
Same fellow also couldn't figure out that if his buddy has two 8-round magazines for his gun the maximum he can carry is 17 rounds. He was sure it was 18--8 in the mag plus one in the chamber, times two. I finally agreed with him. There wasn't anything else to do.
Post by: Brad Johnson on December 19, 2006, 01:07:09 PM
Brad
Post by: roo_ster on December 19, 2006, 01:11:16 PM
Most folks don't appreciate being relieved of their ignorance.
Post by: lee n. field on December 19, 2006, 01:17:25 PM
Post by: Monkeyleg on December 19, 2006, 01:22:21 PM
Don't know whose security he's responsible for, but I'm glad it's not mine.
Post by: The Rabbi on December 19, 2006, 01:26:24 PM
I suppose you would have insulted him by handing him a calculator.
Don't know whose security he's responsible for, but I'm glad it's not mine.
He actually reasoned it out as follows: if his buddy shoots someone until empty and then reloads, he will jack one in the chamber and then reload the one bullet in the magazine. How could I argue with that logic?Don't know whose security he's responsible for, but I'm glad it's not mine.
I ended up selling his friend a cleaning kit and a box of Hornady TAP 200gr .45acp. The TAP is also good ammo. It just won't bounce around in a body like the Hydroshock does.
Post by: Monkeyleg on December 19, 2006, 01:36:31 PM
Well, maybe he figures it will be a leisurely shootout.
As for the Hydra-Shok ammo, maybe he has it confused with the Hollywood ammo that makes people fly through the air.
Post by: Brad Johnson on December 19, 2006, 01:58:41 PM
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As for the Hydra-Shok ammo, maybe he has it confused with the Hollywood ammo that makes people fly through the air.
Isn't that the eeeeeeeeevil Black Talon ammo?
Brad
Post by: AmbulanceDriver on December 19, 2006, 02:17:03 PM
You don't wanna know the geniuses that have managed to figure out that 9-1-1 is their personal salvation from all that is wrong in their lives.
Post by: Brad Johnson on December 19, 2006, 02:25:45 PM
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You don't wanna know the geniuses that have managed to figure out that 9-1-1 is their personal salvation from all that is wrong in their lives.
Let me guess ... it's the same group of folks that clog up the ER demanding attention "RIGHT NOW!" because their common cold is far more serious than the guy down the hall who's in cardiac arrest?
Or maybe they're just out of toilet paper and the roll needs changing...
Brad
Post by: AmbulanceDriver on December 19, 2006, 02:55:07 PM
Yes. 911 for a stubbed toe.
I dang near broke his foot for him when I got there.....
One of the things I discovered when I first started working EMS was that in most cases 911 worked against the betterment of the species. In other words, we prevent too many deserving people from getting darwin awards..........
Post by: thebaldguy on December 19, 2006, 03:27:26 PM
Post by: Standing Wolf on December 19, 2006, 03:30:38 PM
Are you surprised to discover the guy is a mediocre shot?
Post by: Strings on December 20, 2006, 12:57:08 AM
Hmmm... sounds like that new math to me...
Post by: roo_ster on December 20, 2006, 02:19:39 AM
I suppose you would have insulted him by handing him a calculator.
Don't know whose security he's responsible for, but I'm glad it's not mine.
He actually reasoned it out as follows: if his buddy shoots someone until empty and then reloads, he will jack one in the chamber and then reload the one bullet in the magazine. How could I argue with that logic?Don't know whose security he's responsible for, but I'm glad it's not mine.
I ended up selling his friend a cleaning kit and a box of Hornady TAP 200gr .45acp. The TAP is also good ammo. It just won't bounce around in a body like the Hydroshock does.
Did his name happen to be Barney Fife and keep a bullet in his pocket?
Post by: 280plus on December 20, 2006, 02:31:13 AM
Post by: gunsmith on December 20, 2006, 03:16:14 AM
As a San Francisco armed security guard I found that 99% of cops and management clueless when it came to the law in regards to armed security.
I had a high ranking SFPD tell me I couldn't open carry to work, I replied I'll be glad to stop when you issue
me a ccw...he frowned and said"...oh...uhhhh...well...ok"
Management said gold dot only, no fed hydrashok also no .45, when asked why they told me
"the hole in the front of the gun is to big" also we were not allowed (per mgnt) to carry pepper spray or batons but were required to have certs for both.
The qualification course for armed guards at Jackson Arms in South SF is very good and the instructor Brian is a former federal LE and trains fed's as well....
Reeds range also gives a very intensive, informed course.
Some of the guys I used to work with were vets who spent a lot of time shooting at people who were shooting at them in Iraq.
Post by: HankB on December 20, 2006, 03:33:33 AM
many security guards are ex cops,
And that's supposed to be reassuring? 
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 20, 2006, 04:51:14 AM
Post by: The Rabbi on December 20, 2006, 04:54:34 AM
Rabbi, do you have any of those porcelain Glocks? I'm flying out to Brooklyn to take possession of a bridge next week, and I need something I can get through the metal detector.
But that;s a handgun. You could shoot someone 3 or 4 times and they'll keep coming at you. You need a .308.
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 20, 2006, 05:06:24 AM
Post by: auschip on December 20, 2006, 05:18:05 AM
Rabbi, do you have any of those porcelain Glocks? I'm flying out to Brooklyn to take possession of a bridge next week, and I need something I can get through the metal detector.
You mean the Glock 7? Those things cost more then you make in a month!