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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Scout26 on February 10, 2017, 09:42:25 PM
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Fox is open to re-booting the series, but only if Whedon is involved:
http://epicstream.com/news/Fox-is-Open-to-Rebooting-Firefly-But-Only-Under-This-Condition
However, just to be a Debbie Downer about this prospect, remember Joss Whedon has recently gone full blown Anti-Trump 'tard, so re-boot Jayne may be an SJW, Mal will probably spend every episode looking for his safe space on the ship, Simon is apologizing for the patriarchy, with Inara calling everyone a homophobe, and Zoe joins BLM. Kaylee's only line (repeated over and over) is "Why is everyone so angry?"
Everyone will be rooting for the Reevers by episode 3.
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Fox is open to re-booting the series, but only if Whedon is involved:
http://epicstream.com/news/Fox-is-Open-to-Rebooting-Firefly-But-Only-Under-This-Condition
However, just to be a Debbie Downer about this prospect, remember Joss Whedon has recently gone full blown Anti-Trump 'tard, so re-boot Jayne may be an SJW, Mal will probably spend every episode looking for his safe space on the ship, Simon is apologizing for the patriarchy, with Inara calling everyone a homophobe, and Zoe joins BLM. Kaylee's only line (repeated over and over) is "Why is everyone so angry?"
Everyone will be rooting for the Reevers by episode 3.
They ought to put Tim Minear in charge. He's the one that gave the show its libertarianish flavor. Whedon can still write the dialogue, I guess, so long as Minear gets a Taser to use on him when he goes off the rails. >:D
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I was and am a huge fan of Firefly, but the time when they could reasonably pick it back up and maintain the quality has come and gone.
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I was and am a huge fan of Firefly, but the time when they could reasonably pick it back up and maintain the quality has come and gone.
This. Picking it back up would be akin to season 5 of Babylon 5, an effort for continued revenue at the loss of what made the show special. Better to let the live action lay as it is having taken the Farscape path (series ended too soon, major plot points wrapped up with a movie).
If Fox REALLY wants to bring the 'verse back, how about some tales of other ships out in the black. I'd love to see more of the this ship and her passengers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B24h1SYIxEc&index=32&list=FLdTH8GNxCD1fYPgt2WSQajA
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I'm with Regolith. Without Tim Minear around to kick Whedon in the jimmies when he gets off track, a rebooted Firefly wouldn't work.
If Minear had the same involvement as the first series, then I'd definitely give it a look.
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Watch all modern media at your own risk. It seems like it is all leftist propaganda these days.
Some years ago I turned off cable and the internet. Well into that experiment my sister and bro in law came to stay with me to help get their finances together.
They couldn't survive without cable/internet so they had it hooked back up.
Every program I watched seemed to bombard me with images and messages contrary to my view and understanding of what is reality and what is good. Even the most benign of programming was filled with messages supporting a progressive world view, just by taking that world view for granted as the norm.
I'm renting a room to a friend currently. He pays for internet to be hooked up here and enjoys movies so I'll occasionally watch a movie. My opinion hasn't changed.
We like to think that if we are looking for it or because are well grounded in our philosophy/worldview that propaganda won't work on us, that we're immune. Those who've studied the "art" of propaganda would beg to differ. It will effect you, if you are "nudged" enough you will succumb. You will just rationalize that you've looked at the evidence and made a rational choice to change your opinion.
Cthulhu may swim slowly. But he only swims left.
The Hegelian Mambo (Progress Toward the Abyss)
Thesis step to the left,
Thesis step to the left,
Grab Antithesis on your right and step to the left,
Twirl around
Synthesize
cha cha cha
And step to the Left…
Anything Whedon is dead to me, *expletive deleted*ck him.
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Watch all modern media at your own risk. It seems like it is all leftist propaganda these days.
Some years ago I turned off cable and the internet. Well into that experiment my sister and bro in law came to stay with me to help get their finances together.
They couldn't survive without cable/internet so they had it hooked back up.
Every program I watched seemed to bombard me with images and messages contrary to my view and understanding of what is reality and what is good. Even the most benign of programming was filled with messages supporting a progressive world view, just by taking that world view for granted as the norm.
I'm renting a room to a friend currently. He pays for internet to be hooked up here and enjoys movies so I'll occasionally watch a movie. My opinion hasn't changed.
We like to think that if we are looking for it or because are well grounded in our philosophy/worldview that propaganda won't work on us, that we're immune. Those who've studied the "art" of propaganda would beg to differ. It will effect you, if you are "nudged" enough you will succumb. You will just rationalize that you've looked at the evidence and made a rational choice to change your opinion.
Cthulhu may swim slowly. But he only swims left.
The Hegelian Mambo (Progress Toward the Abyss)
Thesis step to the left,
Thesis step to the left,
Grab Antithesis on your right and step to the left,
Twirl around
Synthesize
cha cha cha
And step to the Left…
Anything Whedon is dead to me, *expletive deleted*ck him.
There was a time in the recent past where I would have told you to just get over it and enjoy the show. However, I've really noticed this as well in the last few years. It's one thing to have "anti-heroes", like Boyd Crowder in Justified, but for every Justified, there seem to be a dozen shows that want to overtly force into the script some political or social statement that is the antithesis of my world view. They don't do it in the same way as old shows, like All in the Family, but in a smarmy SJW way. In the same way that got me to vote for Trump.
I get tired of "grey hats". Sometimes I want white hats and black hats, people who try to do the right thing, and heroes that ride off into the sunset.
On the OP, I agree about loving Firefly, but it's too late for those actors to make a comeback. It would be like Star Trek 6, senior citizens in space. Also, Joss Whedon has lost his mind. He's like Seth McFarland after Bush won. I used to love Family Guy, where they made fun of everyone pretty equally, but after the BDS it turned into political propaganda and became unwatchable. In the past, I had respected Whedon for having far left views but being able to set aside his views to produce a great libertarian style show. I don't think he could do that anymore.
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This. Picking it back up would be akin to season 5 of Babylon 5, an effort for continued revenue at the loss of what made the show special.
Just in J. Michael Straczynski's defense, B5 was originally supposed to run for 5 years, but at the end of Season 3 the network was making noises about killing it off after Season 4, so JMS tried to wrap things up in 4 seasons instead of the original 5. But then, the network decided it actually wanted that 5th season after all, so they had to rush to extend the story line beyond what was originally planned. And as you pointed out, the show suffered.
Fox is open to re-booting the series, but only if Whedon is involved:
http://epicstream.com/news/Fox-is-Open-to-Rebooting-Firefly-But-Only-Under-This-Condition
However, just to be a Debbie Downer about this prospect, remember Joss Whedon has recently gone full blown Anti-Trump 'tard,
Hadn't heard that about Joss Whedon.
That can be a problem - politics has ruined more than one show. M*A*S*H went downhill as it moved from comedy to political commentary (when the episode really sucked, you could tell that Alan Alda would be getting directors credit at the end.) And years ago my mother initially liked the comedy Designing Women, but after a year or two it became a full-bore leftist program with the producer (Linda Bloodworth-Thomason) coming right out and saying she HAD to move the show left, since people weren't voting for Democrats in sufficient numbers for Congress to remain Democrat and support Clinton.
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Just in J. Michael Straczynski's defense, B5 was originally supposed to run for 5 years, but at the end of Season 3 the network was making noises about killing it off after Season 4, so JMS tried to wrap things up in 4 seasons instead of the original 5. But then, the network decided it actually wanted that 5th season after all, so they had to rush to extend the story line beyond what was originally planned. And as you pointed out, the show suffered.
Hadn't heard that about Joss Whedon.
That can be a problem - politics has ruined more than one show. M*A*S*H went downhill as it moved from comedy to political commentary (when the episode really sucked, you could tell that Alan Alda would be getting directors credit at the end.) And years ago my mother initially liked the comedy Designing Women, but after a year or two it became a full-bore leftist program with the producer (Linda Bloodworth-Thomason) coming right out and saying she HAD to move the show left, since people weren't voting for Democrats in sufficient numbers for Congress to remain Democrat and support Clinton.
Yeah, I loved Babylon 5, and give JMS a lot of slack due to having to deal with the fathers of the lame network execs that killed Firefly.
I also wholeheartedly agree regarding MASH. I loved the first few seasons. I loathed most of the episodes in the the last few seasons. If memory serves, I don't think I even watched the last season except for the finale. I think they may have been the precursor to what we see now regarding insertion of production team politics into a series.
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Watch all modern media at your own risk. It seems like it is all leftist propaganda these days.
Some years ago I turned off cable and the internet. Well into that experiment my sister and bro in law came to stay with me to help get their finances together.
They couldn't survive without cable/internet so they had it hooked back up.
Every program I watched seemed to bombard me with images and messages contrary to my view and understanding of what is reality and what is good. Even the most benign of programming was filled with messages supporting a progressive world view, just by taking that world view for granted as the norm.
I'm renting a room to a friend currently. He pays for internet to be hooked up here and enjoys movies so I'll occasionally watch a movie. My opinion hasn't changed.
We like to think that if we are looking for it or because are well grounded in our philosophy/worldview that propaganda won't work on us, that we're immune. Those who've studied the "art" of propaganda would beg to differ. It will effect you, if you are "nudged" enough you will succumb. You will just rationalize that you've looked at the evidence and made a rational choice to change your opinion.
Cthulhu may swim slowly. But he only swims left.
The Hegelian Mambo (Progress Toward the Abyss)
Thesis step to the left,
Thesis step to the left,
Grab Antithesis on your right and step to the left,
Twirl around
Synthesize
cha cha cha
And step to the Left…
Anything Whedon is dead to me, *expletive deleted*ck him.
Got rid of back in 2010. And have not missed it.
And to what Ben said about "white hats" and "black hats". Sounds like it's time for me to go get High Noon and The Man who Shot Liberty Valance from the library.
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My dad has taken to watching The Lone Ranger, takes him back to his youth when plots were simple and bad guys easy to spot.
Whedon's commentary from Serenity the history of Earth that was:
" The forming of the alliance causes a power so great that there is no way it can justly rule over the entire universe so I'm dealing with the people on the fringes who are going 'you don't belong here, you don't belong on our soil. Yes you guys are progressive, you've got great medicine, an incredible health care plan, you've got freedom of religion, you've got all these great things. We don't have all that stuff and some of our customs are arcane, some of them are maybe a little barbaric, but we have a right to be ourselves.' And that's where the utopian vision stops because whenever you create some kind of utopia you find something ugly working underneath it and that's basically what this movie is about."
If he could reread that, how could he not see the parallels to the fringe planets of red state America that soundly rejected the promise of utopia?
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I've noticed a lot of leftist who write these things seem to have some serious cognitive disconnect when it comes to political themes.
Whedon and Firefly is definitely one of them. The other one was The Hunger Games, which was written by someone way out on the democratic left and in protest of the Bush administration, but ends up with a huge anti establishment message and the rich, "cultured" urban rulers beat to *expletive deleted*it by the poor rednecks... Anyone see how that relates to recent events? :lol:
As far as a Firefly reboot... Naw, let it be for now. Maybe in 20 or 30 years someone can revisit the 'verse and that might be cool but I think there is some unintentional magic about how it ended and why it ended that makes it so poignant. Bringing it back now would be somehow wrong.
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I did without TV for about half my life (never had any kind of cable/dish/anything), but I started watching some shows on Hulu. I don't even do that since last year. I tried watching some silly sitcom, and they just inserted some ad hoc virtue signalling, plus slandering anyone who doesn't want dudes in the ladies' room. It doesn't really bother me, but I just don't feel like being abused, so...
Plenty of stuff to watch on YouTube, or physical media. I read a lot more now.
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Some years ago I turned off cable and the internet.
And yet here you are.
There's probably something about babies and bathwater that applies here.
M*A*S*H went downhill as it moved from comedy to political commentary
Then you weren't paying attention, it's always been political, even from the original movie. The entire series was an anti-war, anti-Vietnam show, but portrayed during the more acceptable Korean "conflict". The politickin' was just more subtle at times.
Chris
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my life improves dramatically with wifi, lack of a computer hurt bad but was compensated a bit by a smartphone , I could do without TV though- as long as I don't see spoilers wrt walking dead.
but a roku box good high speed wifi would be awesome - along with PC for research etc
I like some of fox news, some of local news - just to get a heads up with what the authorities want me to know.
I have to start doing twitter, its a good way to get news but facecrack takes up so much time now-i have to avoid it in the morning because it makes me late for work.
Firefly
Elvis has left the building, but certainly there are plenty of other stories in that universe? There must be plenty of heroic rebels yearning for freedom
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Elvis has left the building, but certainly there are plenty of other stories in that universe? There must be plenty of heroic rebels yearning for freedom
Were I a fancy pants TV exec I would want to see the life story of the Shepherd before he was one.
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Yes, the cast is too old now but you can still film them and rotoscope them young again.
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Yes, the cast is too old now but you can still film them and rotoscope them young again.
they're talking re-boot, not bringing back the original. That means new cast.
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I'll pass. Will not spend a dime on Whedon.
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they're talking re-boot, not bringing back the original. That means new cast.
Bah. A cast like that only comes around rarely. There won't be the same chemistry that made the original so fun.
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Bah. A cast like that only comes around rarely. There won't be the same chemistry that made the original so fun.
Absolutely right.
In my opinion Firefly needs Mal, Wash, Zoe, Kaylee, and Jayne. The other characters were less important to the feeling of the show. Bringing the original actors back would be a stretch, a reboot with a new cast would be a disaster, and trying to tell another story in the same universe would be disappointing.
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Were I a fancy pants TV exec I would want to see the life story of the Shepherd before he was one.
http://firefly.wikia.com/wiki/Serenity:_The_Shepherd's_Tale
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Just in J. Michael Straczynski's defense, B5 was originally supposed to run for 5 years, but at the end of Season 3 the network was making noises about killing it off after Season 4, so JMS tried to wrap things up in 4 seasons instead of the original 5. But then, the network decided it actually wanted that 5th season after all, so they had to rush to extend the story line beyond what was originally planned. And as you pointed out, the show suffered.
It suffered quite a bit from the original stretch that didn't cover all the stuff between seasons 2 and 3 with its own season or spinoff series. (The rest of the Jeffrey Sinclair story on Minbar, Ranger training, Catherine Sakai's disappearance, etc...and yes, I am biased because I wanted Julia Nickson to have more screen time when she was at her hottest.) And if they were looking for season 5 filler, they could have done the rest of the closure that was in the comics. (Sinclair's "at long last I've finally found her" message.)
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http://firefly.wikia.com/wiki/Serenity:_The_Shepherd's_Tale
wow!, that got bookmarked for someday when i have money