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Title: Wikileaks
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 07, 2017, 12:31:26 PM
It ain't just Snowden!

https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

It seems the CIA has been trying to out-NSA the NSA. I think the article raises a VERY salient question: Why are we paying these competing agencies to waste time, energy, money, and other resources on redundant programs that they don't share with each other -- and apparently not even with the President? And it's not just the CIA and the NSA -- we also have (I think) the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency), and the FBI probably has a cyber team or three, and who knows what other alphabet agencies are playing computer cloak-and-dagger? If Trump wants to drain the swamp he's going to need to consolidate ALL these cyber intelligence/cyber warfare groups into one, and completely eliminate all similar functions from all other agencies.

Of course, if he were to try to do that the NSA would either create a dossier to have him impeached, or just outright shoot him.
Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: KD5NRH on March 07, 2017, 12:40:08 PM
It seems the CIA has been trying to out-NSA the NSA. I think the article raises a VERY salient question: Why are we paying these competing agencies to waste time, energy, money, and other resources on redundant programs that they don't share with each other -- and apparently not even with the President?

Same reason every alphabet agency has its own armed LE staff.  IMO, enlarge the USMS as legitimately needed for them to handle all the Federal SWAT and asset protection needs.  Lesser concerns to be handled by cooperation with local LE.
Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: RevDisk on March 07, 2017, 12:59:12 PM
Whoops. I posted in Round Table, roughly around the same time. Stopped to read a few things. I can delete?
Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: dogmush on March 07, 2017, 01:03:03 PM
Whoops. I posted in Round Table, roughly around the same time. Stopped to read a few things. I can delete?

The NSA said: No, you can not. It's already archived.
Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: RevDisk on March 07, 2017, 01:09:40 PM
I'm fairly sure the NSA isn't still holding a grudge, dogmush. That last incident was a misunderstanding. Though things did not work out with the lady involved, sadly.

I nuked that thread as no one had responded yet.




https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

https://t.co/gpBxJAoYD5
Password: SplinterItIntoAThousandPiecesAndScatterItIntoTheWinds


The most interesting part to me? Folks with clearances, you don't have to worry about endangering your clearances by checking it out. They decided the exploits were unclassified. Because you can't use classified material on unclassified devices, nor send classified information over the internet. So, if you develop a super secret malware with tons of zero day exploits and stolen hardware signatures specifically designed use industrial programmable logic controllers to burn out gas centrifuges, it has to be unclassified if you want to use it on enemy PCs. Which means it's not a crime to copy or discuss it.

 =D

It's not even copyright infringement.

If you're geeky, lot of interesting stuff. My favorite so far:

https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_14588809.html
https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/files/Equation_group_questions_and_answers.pdf

Good technical discussion critiquing NSA malware. Specifically, critiquing Kaspersky's critique of NSA malware.
Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: dogmush on March 07, 2017, 01:12:44 PM
I'm pretty sure if the NSA wasn't still holding a pretty big grudge the quote button would work reliably.  =D =D

I had read your other thread, and I also was really entertained that the super secret exploits had to be unclass or they couldn't be used.  At least they went to annual Cross Domain Violation Training
Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: MechAg94 on March 07, 2017, 02:47:27 PM
Same reason every alphabet agency has its own armed LE staff.  IMO, enlarge the USMS as legitimately needed for them to handle all the Federal SWAT and asset protection needs.  Lesser concerns to be handled by cooperation with local LE.
That would be a good thing.  Fewer bureacrats with the direct power to send in lethal force. 
Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: KD5NRH on March 07, 2017, 02:56:11 PM
That would be a good thing.  Fewer bureacrats with the direct power to send in lethal force.

And all departments with the same RoE, and quite likely a strong tendency to tell a given department that not everything needs to be a SWAT raid; for most of their actions, just showing up with the local sheriff is all it takes.
Title: Vault 7: Wikileaks and CIA leaks
Post by: Blakenzy on March 07, 2017, 05:30:25 PM
Hmm, so all encryption is compromised?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-07/wikileaks-hold-press-conference-vault-7-release-8am-eastern

https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

Edit: Damn, seems like a duplicate. Merge or delete mods
Title: Re: Vault 7: Wikileaks and CIA leaks
Post by: Jim147 on March 07, 2017, 06:29:22 PM
admit it you are just a spambot.   =D
Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: Scout26 on March 07, 2017, 08:08:04 PM
I'm pretty sure if the NSA wasn't still holding a pretty big grudge the quote button would work reliably.  =D =D

You sir, win the internetz today !!!!   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:





eta by The NSA:  We'll make sure the quote button never works.



Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: MillCreek on March 07, 2017, 08:49:51 PM
Hey, look over there: isn't that a black dark green helicopter with fast ropes hanging down?
Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 07, 2017, 09:16:16 PM
The long mustache is against the wall.
Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: RocketMan on March 07, 2017, 09:22:15 PM
The long mustache is against the wall.

John is a chair.
Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: Ben on March 07, 2017, 09:32:02 PM
Hey, look over there: isn't that a black dark green helicopter with fast ropes hanging down?


Nobody told me it was pick on Rev day, or I would have come up with some material.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: TechMan on March 07, 2017, 09:43:31 PM
John is a chair.

The crow is black green.
Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: MechAg94 on March 08, 2017, 08:39:51 PM
http://www.westernjournalism.com/limbaugh-wikileaks-revelation-cia-mimics-russian-hackers-changes-narrative/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=raisingred&utm_campaign=can&utm_content=2017-03-07

I heard this on another radio show today.  It seems part of the latest Wikileaks stuff mentions the CIA can do hacks and make it appear any country they want is to blame.  I pretty much assumed this could be done already.  Makes one want to revisit this Russian hacking stuff.
Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 09, 2017, 08:46:02 AM
Isn't this the sort of *expletive deleted*it our betters promised the Patriot act and formation of Homeland would fix?  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 09, 2017, 09:24:19 AM
I thought the "Patriot" Act was the one that instantly made every citizen a felon.
Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: Ron on March 09, 2017, 09:47:03 AM
I thought the "Patriot" Act was the one that instantly made every citizen a felon.

It all makes sense now.

It made it a felony to be a US patriot, hence the name.
Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: Blakenzy on March 09, 2017, 10:55:15 AM
It all makes sense now.

It made it a felony to be a US patriot, hence the name.

Correct! They just streamlined the name. It started out as the Anti-Patriot Act.
Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: bedlamite on March 09, 2017, 11:07:12 AM
The CIA obviously used UMBRAGE to spoof the Russian hackers too well and released their own info to Wikileaks.
Title: Re: Wikileaks
Post by: KD5NRH on March 09, 2017, 12:13:07 PM
John is a chair.

Sign it: your loving son, Queen Victoria.