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Title: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Ben on June 08, 2017, 09:16:43 AM
Or at least that's what the MSM and politicians of certain persuasions are calling it. Dem interns were in line for seats at 0400. From what I read, likely no "regular" members of the public will even be able top get a public seat. They're even opening bars early in DC for it. All it seems, in hopes of a bombshell that makes Trump step down.

Likely this will end up being along the lines of Al Capone's vault, but I'm looking forward to banging my head against the wall while reading the spin and hyperbole.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Chester32141 on June 08, 2017, 09:29:32 AM
Another perspective ...  [popcorn]

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What better way to insure yourself against being fired than to give the impression that you are overseeing a grave investigation of potential wrongdoing by your boss?

http://thefederalist.com/2017/06/07/james-comeys-latest-statement-is-an-indictment-of-comey-not-trump/
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Monkeyleg on June 08, 2017, 10:10:51 AM
How much would you like to bet that there will be enough Republicans to cross over to give Dems the votes to introduce articles of impeachment?
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Ben on June 08, 2017, 10:14:27 AM
How much would you like to bet that there will be enough Republicans to cross over to give Dems the votes to introduce articles of impeachment?

That will  be interesting to see. Apparently a few dems have already drawn up the articles and are holding them for introduction. I read that some fairly high profile dems are actually fighting that. They're afraid that attempting to impeach this earlier will severely backfire on them on the grounds of partisanship.  I suspect they are right, and almost hope the nutjobs actually go forward now.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Pb on June 08, 2017, 10:33:21 AM
Impeachment for what crime exactly?
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: makattak on June 08, 2017, 10:34:15 AM
Impeachment for what crime exactly?

Obstruction of justice. For firing Comey. (According to Representative Green who has drawn up the articles.)
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Pb on June 08, 2017, 10:47:59 AM
But the democrats wanted Comey fired late last year:

http://www.newsweek.com/fbi-director-james-comey-unfit-public-service-517815
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Chester32141 on June 08, 2017, 11:07:24 AM

Dems may be putting the cart in front of the horse ...  [popcorn]

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Alan Dershowitz Says Trump Cannot Be Guilty of Obstruction While Exercising His Constitutional Authority

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ15ymETv-s
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Ben on June 08, 2017, 11:23:10 AM
I don't have the intestinal fortitude to sit through the whole thing, but from the snippets I've heard so far (including the one where Trump wanted to Order Comey to launch an investigation, but Comey recommended he not do that) the dems might to want to wrap this up before it heads further into "empty vault" territory.

Everything else so far, while it might not be "proper procedure" is a long, long way from impeachable. Far more benign than many things Obama did.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Pb on June 08, 2017, 11:27:33 AM
A Trump hater in my office brought in a radio to listen to this stuff live this morning... I'm having to keep my office door closed.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Ben on June 08, 2017, 11:33:40 AM
Well, I have to take some of my previous post back. Comey just said he took notes on a secure laptop because he was afraid Trump would say lies about him and their meeting. That will be fodder for sure.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Unisaw on June 08, 2017, 12:29:30 PM
Comey comes across as a whiner who is trying to portray himself as a choirboy.  I'm ready for him to fade away from public view.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: DittoHead on June 08, 2017, 12:39:14 PM
I turned it on just in time to hear McCain attempt to ask some questions, he sounds drunk and extremely confused. Way more incoherent than usual, I'm kind of concerned about him.  =|
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Ben on June 08, 2017, 12:55:46 PM
Also, if anyone is interested, Kamala Harris was an attorney general. She repeated the fact fifty times in her five minutes with Comey.  ;/
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: grampster on June 08, 2017, 12:57:51 PM
Well, I have to take some of my previous post back. Comey just said he took notes on a secure laptop because he was afraid Trump would say lies about him and their meeting. That will be fodder for sure.

Who's to say that Comey's notes are true?  Something he made up out of whole cloth after each meeting/conversation to cover his ass and shift blame.  Anything Comey has to say against Trump, at the end of the day, is he said, she said.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Ben on June 08, 2017, 01:04:38 PM
Who's to say that Comey's notes are true?  Something he made up out of whole cloth after each meeting/conversation to cover his ass and shift blame.  Anything Comey has to say against Trump, at the end of the day, is he said, she said.


No way of knowing, but like I said, fodder for the MSM, who will only pick up anti-Trump stuff. Just look at these stupid "watch parties". Are any of them non-left?

Anyway, from what I saw of the hearing, and from what I'm seeing pop up on the MSM and on places like Fox and Twitchy, he seems to have made a pretty 50/50 split of stuff. Both sides will be alternately shouting "hurray" and "boo".
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: TommyGunn on June 08, 2017, 01:09:31 PM
 [popcorn]  Bleepity-bleep hyena and unicorn show....... [tinfoil] [barf] [barf] [barf]
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: HankB on June 08, 2017, 01:15:22 PM
How much would you like to bet that there will be enough Republicans to cross over to give Dems the votes to introduce articles of impeachment?
Less than a year into Trump's first term, at least half the country would view that as a coup attempt, reducing our government to banana republic levels. Things could get very ugly.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 08, 2017, 02:14:42 PM
Apparently Comey has acknowledged that Loretta Lynch told him not to characterize the Clinton investigation as an "investigation." I wonder how the Dems like that?
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Ben on June 08, 2017, 02:30:19 PM
Apparently Comey has acknowledged that Loretta Lynch told him not to characterize the Clinton investigation as an "investigation." I wonder how the Dems like that?

They're not accepting it. :)

http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2017/06/08/backfire-alert-obstruction-of-justice-chit-chat-bites-loretta-lynch-right-in-her-backside/
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: MechAg94 on June 08, 2017, 03:59:54 PM
Apparently Comey has acknowledged that Loretta Lynch told him not to characterize the Clinton investigation as an "investigation." I wonder how the Dems like that?
And that appears to be much further along the road to obstruction than Trump ever went. 
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: MechAg94 on June 08, 2017, 04:02:00 PM
Less than a year into Trump's first term, at least half the country would view that as a coup attempt, reducing our government to banana republic levels. Things could get very ugly.
Do we really want to start seeing Presidents kicked out of office for no real reason whenever Congress gets the urge to do so?  Yeah, not a good precedent.  I think most of this is just the media trying to blow things up since Trump news helps their ratings with both sides.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: AJ Dual on June 08, 2017, 05:45:15 PM
Democratic Underground has been in full blown disappointment/meltdown mode since this morning.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 08, 2017, 08:54:35 PM
Apparently Comey has acknowledged that Loretta Lynch told him not to characterize the Clinton investigation as an "investigation." I wonder how the Dems like that?


Yeah, she wanted him to call it "a matter." Which only makes sense, as he was head of the Federal Bureau of Matters.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: MillCreek on June 08, 2017, 09:24:40 PM
I, for one, think there should be a Federal Bureau of Matter and Anti-Matter.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 08, 2017, 09:41:27 PM
I, for one, think there should be a Federal Bureau of Matter and Anti-Matter.

Just don't bring them together.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: just Warren on June 08, 2017, 10:11:00 PM
Less than a year into Trump's first term, at least half the country would view that as a coup attempt, reducing our government to banana republic levels. Things could get very ugly.

Yes they will.

Again I'm not a supporter of Trump but try to toss him out based on absolutely nothing and I will get ugly. I don't know how, or what I can do specifically but if some reaction or path seems to hold promise I will go down it.

I've cautioned against violence numerous times on these boards and I don't want there to be violence but these forces of the left won't stop pushing in that direction. I won't start anything but an impeachment under these circumstances, to me, is a coup and can be countered with force.

Now I'm a libertarian and despise the feds generally and want much, much less of them, but that's not happening for a while and in the meantime I'm sure as hell not going to let the left have the reins of government if they take them in such a dirty and underhanded way. 

Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 08, 2017, 10:37:57 PM
Comey comes across as a whiner who is trying to portray himself as a choirboy.  I'm ready for him to fade away from public view.

That's pretty much what I was thinking, as I started to hear news about the hearing this afternoon. I'm sick of his whining, and it's about time we, as a nation, left him to enjoy his early retirement.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: DittoHead on June 09, 2017, 09:10:13 AM
Do we really want to start seeing Presidents kicked out of office for no real reason whenever Congress gets the urge to do so?  Yeah, not a good precedent.

I would assume the Supreme Court would have to weigh in on this too if it got started? There seems to be quite a difference of opinion on what constitutes those impeachable "high crimes and misdemeanors".
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: MechAg94 on June 09, 2017, 12:08:03 PM
I would assume the Supreme Court would have to weigh in on this too if it got started? There seems to be quite a difference of opinion on what constitutes those impeachable "high crimes and misdemeanors".
Why would the SC be able to tell the Congress when they can or can't exercise their impeachment power?  I don't think Congress would have to follow their advice. 
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: DittoHead on June 09, 2017, 12:42:51 PM
Why would the SC be able to tell the Congress when they can or can't exercise their impeachment power?  I don't think Congress would have to follow their advice. 

There's interpretation of the constitution involved - if they try to claim that "high crimes and misdemeanors" includes abuse of power or improper conduct or just being a bad president wouldn't it be SC territory to settle that?
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: zxcvbob on June 09, 2017, 02:13:25 PM
There's interpretation of the constitution involved - if they try to claim that "high crimes and misdemeanors" includes abuse of power or improper conduct or just being a bad president wouldn't it be SC territory to settle that?


I think it's totally out of the SC's territory.  "High crimes and misdemeanors" means whatever the Senate decides it means.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: DittoHead on June 09, 2017, 02:29:36 PM
I think it's totally out of the SC's territory.

It seems you're correct, congress is free to impeach on whatever grounds they can come up with.

Quote from: http://constitution.findlaw.com/article2/annotation18.html
Judicial Review of Impeachments .--It was long assumed that no judicial review of the impeachment process was possible, that impeachment presents a true ''political question'' case. That assumption was not contested until very recently, when Judges Nixon and Hastings challenged their Senate convictions. But federal courts, setting the stage for Supreme Court consideration, held the challenges to be nonjusticiable, that the Constitution's conferral on the Senate of the ''sole'' power to try impeachments demonstrated a textually demonstrable constitutional commitment of trial procedures to the Senate to decide without court review.
Upon at last reaching the question, the Court has held that a claim to judicial review of an issue arising in an impeachment trial in the Senate presents a nonjusticiable question, a ''political question.'' Supp.6 Specifically, the Court held that a claim that the Senate had not followed the proper meaning of the word ''try'' in the impeachment clause, a special committee being appointed to take testimony and to make a report to the full Senate, complete with a full transcript, on which the Senate acted, could not be reviewed. But the analysis of the Court applies to all impeachment clause questions, thus seemingly putting offlimits to judicial review the whole process.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: MechAg94 on June 09, 2017, 03:41:54 PM
The SC was never intended to be the sole arbiter of constitutional interpretation.  Also, the consequences of impeachment are just removal from office, not imprisonment or death. 
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: DittoHead on June 09, 2017, 03:56:11 PM
the consequences of impeachment are just removal from office, not imprisonment or death.  

Right. A poor precedent for sure, hardly a coup though. I could see a number of Republicans in congress getting on board if they think a president Pence would be more effective in helping achieve their goals. I don't think they would be wrong in that belief.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: makattak on June 09, 2017, 04:33:29 PM
Hey, I don't think they realized how apt this comparison was.

Lots of hype beforehand for something that turns out to be a complete bust. Describes most superbowls, too.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Fitz on June 09, 2017, 05:18:49 PM
I kinda hope they do attempt some sort of coup.

The conflict that's been bubbling under the surface won't get better with age.

better to rip the bandaid off. Leftist revolutions get pretty nasty. the less time they have to prepare, the better
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: just Warren on June 09, 2017, 05:28:03 PM
The problem is it won't be that clean an action.

We're risking tossing the whole country onto the third-world dung heap if the fight gets as out-of-hand and destructive as I fear it can.

Goodbye superpower status. Goodbye economic superiority. Goodbye standard of living.

I wouldn't put it past a malevolent foreign power known for long-term planning to be counting on such an outcome or even using it's (really our) money to set the pieces in motion.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Ben on June 10, 2017, 10:14:23 AM
It's the Daily Mail, but I think it's legit. Comey is looking to walk away from all this with a $10mil book deal.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4589692/James-Comey-10-million-payday-dish-Hillary-Trump.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 10, 2017, 01:46:23 PM
It's the Daily Mail, but I think it's legit. Comey is looking to walk away from all this with a $10mil book deal.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4589692/James-Comey-10-million-payday-dish-Hillary-Trump.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus

Whoever said crime doesn't pay?
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 10, 2017, 06:48:39 PM
Question: Was it obstruction of justice when Trump said he wouldn't prosecute Hillary Clinton?
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Pb on June 12, 2017, 10:30:51 AM
Question: Was it obstruction of justice when Trump said he wouldn't prosecute Hillary Clinton?
Yep- was it obstruction of justice when the Democrats in congress demanded Comey be fired for announcing he was re-opening the Clinton investigation?
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: zxcvbob on June 12, 2017, 10:33:13 AM
Yep- was it obstruction of justice when the Democrats in congress demanded Comey be fired for announcing he was re-opening the Clinton investigation?

Of course not, because they are democrats.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 12, 2017, 01:30:26 PM
ohforcryinoutloud:

https://www.google.com/search?q=comey+sexually+harassee&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#newwindow=1&safe=active&q=comey+sexually+harassed


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Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: TommyGunn on June 12, 2017, 06:34:49 PM
ohforcryinoutloud:

https://www.google.com/search?q=comey+sexually+harassee&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#newwindow=1&safe=active&q=comey+sexually+harassed


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Rush was talking about this.    I was and  remain incredulous and dumbfounded.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Angel Eyes on June 13, 2017, 02:54:18 PM
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Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 14, 2017, 08:54:55 AM
So the Jeff Sessions session was - interesting. I mean, it was already enough of a jaw-dropper that Trump, the xenophobic bigot, turned out to be an agent of one of America's historic, foreign rivals. Now we learn that Grand Kliegel Sessions was secretly a commie, as well?  :O

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Well you may not know it but this man's a spy
He's an undercover agent for the FBI
And he's been sent down here to infiltrate the Ku Klux Klan...

Well he's a friend of them long-haired hippie type pinko fags
I betcha he's even got a Commie flag
Tacked up on the wall inside of his garage

He's a snake in the grass I tell ya guys
He may look dumb but that's jus a disguise
He's a mastermind in the ways of espionage
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: Scout26 on June 14, 2017, 03:05:39 PM
I watched the exchanges with both Rod Wyden (Dumbass- Oregon) and Kamala Harris (Dumberass- California).

"Thop thonwalling and tell us you're guilty !!!"


And if I were testifying before the Senate and she started questioning me like I'm on trial, she'd get an asschewing from me.
Title: Re: Comey Hearing - The Superbowl of DC
Post by: dogmush on June 14, 2017, 03:17:34 PM
I get that Comey is probably going for the book deal, but I can't really think of anything that, as a private citizen, would get me to waste my time testifying in front of congress.  Both sides are just using you (the witness) as a prop for their grandstanding, and I have no desire to help either parties political masturbation.

Besides, What are they going to do?  Hold you in contempt?