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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on June 08, 2017, 09:16:43 AM
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Or at least that's what the MSM and politicians of certain persuasions are calling it. Dem interns were in line for seats at 0400. From what I read, likely no "regular" members of the public will even be able top get a public seat. They're even opening bars early in DC for it. All it seems, in hopes of a bombshell that makes Trump step down.
Likely this will end up being along the lines of Al Capone's vault, but I'm looking forward to banging my head against the wall while reading the spin and hyperbole.
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Another perspective ... [popcorn]
What better way to insure yourself against being fired than to give the impression that you are overseeing a grave investigation of potential wrongdoing by your boss?
http://thefederalist.com/2017/06/07/james-comeys-latest-statement-is-an-indictment-of-comey-not-trump/
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How much would you like to bet that there will be enough Republicans to cross over to give Dems the votes to introduce articles of impeachment?
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How much would you like to bet that there will be enough Republicans to cross over to give Dems the votes to introduce articles of impeachment?
That will be interesting to see. Apparently a few dems have already drawn up the articles and are holding them for introduction. I read that some fairly high profile dems are actually fighting that. They're afraid that attempting to impeach this earlier will severely backfire on them on the grounds of partisanship. I suspect they are right, and almost hope the nutjobs actually go forward now.
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Impeachment for what crime exactly?
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Impeachment for what crime exactly?
Obstruction of justice. For firing Comey. (According to Representative Green who has drawn up the articles.)
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But the democrats wanted Comey fired late last year:
http://www.newsweek.com/fbi-director-james-comey-unfit-public-service-517815
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Dems may be putting the cart in front of the horse ... [popcorn]
Alan Dershowitz Says Trump Cannot Be Guilty of Obstruction While Exercising His Constitutional Authority
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ15ymETv-s
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I don't have the intestinal fortitude to sit through the whole thing, but from the snippets I've heard so far (including the one where Trump wanted to Order Comey to launch an investigation, but Comey recommended he not do that) the dems might to want to wrap this up before it heads further into "empty vault" territory.
Everything else so far, while it might not be "proper procedure" is a long, long way from impeachable. Far more benign than many things Obama did.
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A Trump hater in my office brought in a radio to listen to this stuff live this morning... I'm having to keep my office door closed.
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Well, I have to take some of my previous post back. Comey just said he took notes on a secure laptop because he was afraid Trump would say lies about him and their meeting. That will be fodder for sure.
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Comey comes across as a whiner who is trying to portray himself as a choirboy. I'm ready for him to fade away from public view.
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I turned it on just in time to hear McCain attempt to ask some questions, he sounds drunk and extremely confused. Way more incoherent than usual, I'm kind of concerned about him. =|
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Also, if anyone is interested, Kamala Harris was an attorney general. She repeated the fact fifty times in her five minutes with Comey. ;/
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Well, I have to take some of my previous post back. Comey just said he took notes on a secure laptop because he was afraid Trump would say lies about him and their meeting. That will be fodder for sure.
Who's to say that Comey's notes are true? Something he made up out of whole cloth after each meeting/conversation to cover his ass and shift blame. Anything Comey has to say against Trump, at the end of the day, is he said, she said.
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Who's to say that Comey's notes are true? Something he made up out of whole cloth after each meeting/conversation to cover his ass and shift blame. Anything Comey has to say against Trump, at the end of the day, is he said, she said.
No way of knowing, but like I said, fodder for the MSM, who will only pick up anti-Trump stuff. Just look at these stupid "watch parties". Are any of them non-left?
Anyway, from what I saw of the hearing, and from what I'm seeing pop up on the MSM and on places like Fox and Twitchy, he seems to have made a pretty 50/50 split of stuff. Both sides will be alternately shouting "hurray" and "boo".
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[popcorn] Bleepity-bleep hyena and unicorn show....... [tinfoil] [barf] [barf] [barf]
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How much would you like to bet that there will be enough Republicans to cross over to give Dems the votes to introduce articles of impeachment?
Less than a year into Trump's first term, at least half the country would view that as a coup attempt, reducing our government to banana republic levels. Things could get very ugly.
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Apparently Comey has acknowledged that Loretta Lynch told him not to characterize the Clinton investigation as an "investigation." I wonder how the Dems like that?
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Apparently Comey has acknowledged that Loretta Lynch told him not to characterize the Clinton investigation as an "investigation." I wonder how the Dems like that?
They're not accepting it. :)
http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2017/06/08/backfire-alert-obstruction-of-justice-chit-chat-bites-loretta-lynch-right-in-her-backside/
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Apparently Comey has acknowledged that Loretta Lynch told him not to characterize the Clinton investigation as an "investigation." I wonder how the Dems like that?
And that appears to be much further along the road to obstruction than Trump ever went.
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Less than a year into Trump's first term, at least half the country would view that as a coup attempt, reducing our government to banana republic levels. Things could get very ugly.
Do we really want to start seeing Presidents kicked out of office for no real reason whenever Congress gets the urge to do so? Yeah, not a good precedent. I think most of this is just the media trying to blow things up since Trump news helps their ratings with both sides.
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Democratic Underground has been in full blown disappointment/meltdown mode since this morning.
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Apparently Comey has acknowledged that Loretta Lynch told him not to characterize the Clinton investigation as an "investigation." I wonder how the Dems like that?
Yeah, she wanted him to call it "a matter." Which only makes sense, as he was head of the Federal Bureau of Matters.
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I, for one, think there should be a Federal Bureau of Matter and Anti-Matter.
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I, for one, think there should be a Federal Bureau of Matter and Anti-Matter.
Just don't bring them together.
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Less than a year into Trump's first term, at least half the country would view that as a coup attempt, reducing our government to banana republic levels. Things could get very ugly.
Yes they will.
Again I'm not a supporter of Trump but try to toss him out based on absolutely nothing and I will get ugly. I don't know how, or what I can do specifically but if some reaction or path seems to hold promise I will go down it.
I've cautioned against violence numerous times on these boards and I don't want there to be violence but these forces of the left won't stop pushing in that direction. I won't start anything but an impeachment under these circumstances, to me, is a coup and can be countered with force.
Now I'm a libertarian and despise the feds generally and want much, much less of them, but that's not happening for a while and in the meantime I'm sure as hell not going to let the left have the reins of government if they take them in such a dirty and underhanded way.
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Comey comes across as a whiner who is trying to portray himself as a choirboy. I'm ready for him to fade away from public view.
That's pretty much what I was thinking, as I started to hear news about the hearing this afternoon. I'm sick of his whining, and it's about time we, as a nation, left him to enjoy his early retirement.
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Do we really want to start seeing Presidents kicked out of office for no real reason whenever Congress gets the urge to do so? Yeah, not a good precedent.
I would assume the Supreme Court would have to weigh in on this too if it got started? There seems to be quite a difference of opinion on what constitutes those impeachable "high crimes and misdemeanors".
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I would assume the Supreme Court would have to weigh in on this too if it got started? There seems to be quite a difference of opinion on what constitutes those impeachable "high crimes and misdemeanors".
Why would the SC be able to tell the Congress when they can or can't exercise their impeachment power? I don't think Congress would have to follow their advice.
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Why would the SC be able to tell the Congress when they can or can't exercise their impeachment power? I don't think Congress would have to follow their advice.
There's interpretation of the constitution involved - if they try to claim that "high crimes and misdemeanors" includes abuse of power or improper conduct or just being a bad president wouldn't it be SC territory to settle that?
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There's interpretation of the constitution involved - if they try to claim that "high crimes and misdemeanors" includes abuse of power or improper conduct or just being a bad president wouldn't it be SC territory to settle that?
I think it's totally out of the SC's territory. "High crimes and misdemeanors" means whatever the Senate decides it means.
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I think it's totally out of the SC's territory.
It seems you're correct, congress is free to impeach on whatever grounds they can come up with.
Judicial Review of Impeachments .--It was long assumed that no judicial review of the impeachment process was possible, that impeachment presents a true ''political question'' case. That assumption was not contested until very recently, when Judges Nixon and Hastings challenged their Senate convictions. But federal courts, setting the stage for Supreme Court consideration, held the challenges to be nonjusticiable, that the Constitution's conferral on the Senate of the ''sole'' power to try impeachments demonstrated a textually demonstrable constitutional commitment of trial procedures to the Senate to decide without court review.
Upon at last reaching the question, the Court has held that a claim to judicial review of an issue arising in an impeachment trial in the Senate presents a nonjusticiable question, a ''political question.'' Supp.6 Specifically, the Court held that a claim that the Senate had not followed the proper meaning of the word ''try'' in the impeachment clause, a special committee being appointed to take testimony and to make a report to the full Senate, complete with a full transcript, on which the Senate acted, could not be reviewed. But the analysis of the Court applies to all impeachment clause questions, thus seemingly putting offlimits to judicial review the whole process.
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The SC was never intended to be the sole arbiter of constitutional interpretation. Also, the consequences of impeachment are just removal from office, not imprisonment or death.
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the consequences of impeachment are just removal from office, not imprisonment or death.
Right. A poor precedent for sure, hardly a coup though. I could see a number of Republicans in congress getting on board if they think a president Pence would be more effective in helping achieve their goals. I don't think they would be wrong in that belief.
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Hey, I don't think they realized how apt this comparison was.
Lots of hype beforehand for something that turns out to be a complete bust. Describes most superbowls, too.
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I kinda hope they do attempt some sort of coup.
The conflict that's been bubbling under the surface won't get better with age.
better to rip the bandaid off. Leftist revolutions get pretty nasty. the less time they have to prepare, the better
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The problem is it won't be that clean an action.
We're risking tossing the whole country onto the third-world dung heap if the fight gets as out-of-hand and destructive as I fear it can.
Goodbye superpower status. Goodbye economic superiority. Goodbye standard of living.
I wouldn't put it past a malevolent foreign power known for long-term planning to be counting on such an outcome or even using it's (really our) money to set the pieces in motion.
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It's the Daily Mail, but I think it's legit. Comey is looking to walk away from all this with a $10mil book deal.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4589692/James-Comey-10-million-payday-dish-Hillary-Trump.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus
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It's the Daily Mail, but I think it's legit. Comey is looking to walk away from all this with a $10mil book deal.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4589692/James-Comey-10-million-payday-dish-Hillary-Trump.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus
Whoever said crime doesn't pay?
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Question: Was it obstruction of justice when Trump said he wouldn't prosecute Hillary Clinton?
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Question: Was it obstruction of justice when Trump said he wouldn't prosecute Hillary Clinton?
Yep- was it obstruction of justice when the Democrats in congress demanded Comey be fired for announcing he was re-opening the Clinton investigation?
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Yep- was it obstruction of justice when the Democrats in congress demanded Comey be fired for announcing he was re-opening the Clinton investigation?
Of course not, because they are democrats.
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ohforcryinoutloud:
https://www.google.com/search?q=comey+sexually+harassee&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#newwindow=1&safe=active&q=comey+sexually+harassed
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ohforcryinoutloud:
https://www.google.com/search?q=comey+sexually+harassee&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#newwindow=1&safe=active&q=comey+sexually+harassed
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Rush was talking about this. I was and remain incredulous and dumbfounded.
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So the Jeff Sessions session was - interesting. I mean, it was already enough of a jaw-dropper that Trump, the xenophobic bigot, turned out to be an agent of one of America's historic, foreign rivals. Now we learn that Grand Kliegel Sessions was secretly a commie, as well? :O
Well you may not know it but this man's a spy
He's an undercover agent for the FBI
And he's been sent down here to infiltrate the Ku Klux Klan...
Well he's a friend of them long-haired hippie type pinko fags
I betcha he's even got a Commie flag
Tacked up on the wall inside of his garage
He's a snake in the grass I tell ya guys
He may look dumb but that's jus a disguise
He's a mastermind in the ways of espionage
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I watched the exchanges with both Rod Wyden (Dumbass- Oregon) and Kamala Harris (Dumberass- California).
"Thop thonwalling and tell us you're guilty !!!"
And if I were testifying before the Senate and she started questioning me like I'm on trial, she'd get an asschewing from me.
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I get that Comey is probably going for the book deal, but I can't really think of anything that, as a private citizen, would get me to waste my time testifying in front of congress. Both sides are just using you (the witness) as a prop for their grandstanding, and I have no desire to help either parties political masturbation.
Besides, What are they going to do? Hold you in contempt?