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Title: Hummers at the feeder
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 25, 2017, 09:42:08 PM
Caught this little hummer at the feeder this evening. Light was failing so no the best but still pretty cool little bird.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4310/35362895153_198a2123ba_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VSU5GR)IMG_8952-1 (https://flic.kr/p/VSU5GR) by lmmiers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/19769480@N08/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4306/36127711246_43c0662741_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/X3tXTd)IMG_8940-1 (https://flic.kr/p/X3tXTd) by lmmiers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/19769480@N08/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Hummers at the feeder
Post by: cordex on July 25, 2017, 10:41:58 PM
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.gettyimages.com%2Fphotos%2Fchevron-customer-pumps-gasoline-into-her-hummer-at-a-chevron-service-picture-id108323672%3Fs%3D612x612&hash=c7b4789c502b1bb72a0c7d4663ce82f58643d75f)
Title: Re: Hummers at the feeder
Post by: Sergeant Bob on July 25, 2017, 11:59:24 PM
Funny cordex!
Title: Re: Hummers at the feeder
Post by: RocketMan on July 26, 2017, 06:29:59 AM
Those are some cool shots, RKL.  You really have fun with that camera.

I'd get in trouble if I commented on cordex's picture.
Title: Re: Hummers at the feeder
Post by: Fly320s on July 26, 2017, 07:07:12 AM
I'd like to have a hummer at the feeder.
Title: Re: Hummers at the feeder
Post by: Doggy Daddy on July 26, 2017, 08:30:27 AM
I'd like to have a hummer at the feeder.

New menu item at the Golden Corral?
Title: Re: Hummers at the feeder
Post by: TechMan on July 26, 2017, 12:16:00 PM
New menu item at the Golden Corral?

Let's take the standard up a little bit from the Golden Corral.
Title: Re: Hummers at the feeder
Post by: Fly320s on July 26, 2017, 12:24:59 PM
Let's take the standard up a little bit from the Golden Corral.

Sizzler?
Title: Re: Hummers at the feeder
Post by: TechMan on July 26, 2017, 12:53:31 PM
Sizzler?

Twin Peaks.
Title: Re: Hummers at the feeder
Post by: MechAg94 on July 26, 2017, 04:43:45 PM
Sizzler?
Ryans
Title: Re: Hummers at the feeder
Post by: Doggy Daddy on July 26, 2017, 08:54:08 PM
White Castle?
Title: Re: Hummers at the feeder
Post by: 230RN on July 26, 2017, 09:13:09 PM
I think the pics are more effective with the wing blurring.  I just looked it up --their wingbeats run around 80 per second --that's probably a maximum.

http://home.olemiss.edu/~larryago/hummingbirds/funfacts2.html

80 Hz:
https://youtu.be/nhc4u6nJSWk

Do you know the exposure time?  I'm thinking maybe about 1/250th, judging from the blur.

(
Heh.  Playing around with that frequency site.  This orta drive the household creatures nuts:

https://youtu.be/qNf9nzvnd1k

)

Title: Re: Hummers at the feeder
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 26, 2017, 09:17:31 PM
I'd still like to try for a stop action shot just to prove I can do it.
Current effort is with film. Light wasn't great this evening but I think I got a few good ones. They don't seem to be too skittish so I'm going to try to get a little closer in the morning when the feeder is getting the early morning sun. If they spook with me too close I've got a 25' shutter release I'll try.
Title: Re: Hummers at the feeder
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 26, 2017, 10:28:50 PM
Lemme see ...

80 wing beats per second. The wings move maybe 5 inches per beat (x2 -- up and down). 10 inches times 80 beats = 800 inches per second.

So ...

Even at a shutter speed of 1/1000 the wings will be moving 800/1000 = 0.8 inches. Not really stop action. Methinks you need a shutter speed of around 1/4000 of a second and, even at that speed, the wings will move 0.2 inches. Still not really stop action.
Title: Re: Hummers at the feeder
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 26, 2017, 11:35:00 PM
My super nifty Canon F1 only does 1/2000, so on film won't happen.  =D
Currently loaded with Ilford HP5+ shooting at ASA 800. Only 1 stop over box speed so not a big push. Probably soup it in Microphen for the little bit of speed boost that will give me.

However, my marvel of technology Canon 70D DSLR will click at 1/8000, so... possible. I think I'll have to set the ISO(ASA) pretty high but it will be attempted.
Title: Re: Hummers at the feeder
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 26, 2017, 11:37:27 PM
I think the pics are more effective with the wing blurring.  I just looked it up --their wingbeats run around 80 per second --that's probably a maximum.

http://home.olemiss.edu/~larryago/hummingbirds/funfacts2.html

80 Hz:
https://youtu.be/nhc4u6nJSWk

Do you know the exposure time?  I'm thinking maybe about 1/250th, judging from the blur.

(
Heh.  Playing around with that frequency site.  This orta drive the household creatures nuts:

https://youtu.be/qNf9nzvnd1k

)



Any images from my DSLR will show the exposure data if you click through to Flickr

On the freq test, even with my audio maxed out I was out by 15Khz
Title: Re: Hummers at the feeder
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 27, 2017, 12:09:51 AM
Any images from my DSLR will show the exposure data if you click through to Flickr

On the freq test, even with my audio maxed out I was out by 15Khz

Got any dogs? I'll bet they LOVED you ...
Title: Re: Hummers at the feeder
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 27, 2017, 01:05:44 AM
I bookmarked that page just to use it to run the dogs out of my office if needed.
Title: Re: Hummers at the feeder
Post by: 230RN on July 27, 2017, 02:43:02 AM
Lemme see ...

80 wing beats per second. The wings move maybe 5 inches per beat (x2 -- up and down). 10 inches times 80 beats = 800 inches per second.

So ...

Even at a shutter speed of 1/1000 the wings will be moving 800/1000 = 0.8 inches. Not really stop action. Methinks you need a shutter speed of around 1/4000 of a second and, even at that speed, the wings will move 0.2 inches. Still not really stop action.

That's the way I was roughly figuring to get the 250th of a second.  Except I took the blurred portion estimated as a fraction (20-30%) of the full wing swing, and neglecting the sinusoidal-ish motion of the wing.

1 / (1/80 X .20 or .30 depending on the eyeball guesstimated fraction of the full wing swing.)

20% = 1/400th second
30%  = 1/266th second

So I figured 1/250th as a "standard" shutter speed.  (I know, newer cameras do not "open" to those oldey-timey fixed shutter speeds.  But Road King Larry said he was using a chemical camera, so that seemed reasonable as a SWAG.)

I told you that frequency sweep would drive all the critters nuts.  I done told you so.

I don't get no respect.  No respect at all. <adjusts tie, fusses with shirt cuffs>

Terry