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Title: Unscientific American “The Rarity of Self-Defense”
Post by: MechAg94 on October 17, 2017, 04:19:52 PM

http://www.gunfacts.info/blog/unscientific-american/#.WeOixqOm0gg.twitter

I appears Scientific American took a stab at guns and self defense recently.  I thought this had enough good information to post it.  The article refutes some of the common arguments against using guns in self defense with good information.

If nothing else, the link mentions a lot of facts/information and studies that you might find useful. 

(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gunfacts.info%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F10%2FChart-of-defensive-gun-use-DGUs-studies-1.jpg&hash=d8793913d980499e1fa65ec057646bbcfbb103cf)
I am not sure when I would use this, but I like that it demonstrates how much that subject has been studied as well as the results.

Title: Re: Unscientific American “The Rarity of Self-Defense”
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 17, 2017, 11:09:22 PM

This poor woman should have read Scientific American.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/22378/man-kidnaps-pistol-packin-grandma-guess-what-hank-berrien

She missed a perfectly good opportunity to be a helpless victim.

Title: Re: Unscientific American “The Rarity of Self-Defense”
Post by: RoadKingLarry on October 17, 2017, 11:44:20 PM

I've never had a fire at my house, shop or boat but I have extinguishers handy just the same.

Title: Re: Unscientific American “The Rarity of Self-Defense”
Post by: Perd Hapley on October 18, 2017, 12:29:30 AM

Quote from: RoadKingLarry on October 17, 2017, 11:44:20 PM

I've never had a fire at my house, shop or boat but I have extinguishers handy just the same.

In next month's edition of Scientific American - "Fire Extinguishers: The Hidden Arsonists In Our Homes."

Title: Re: Unscientific American “The Rarity of Self-Defense”
Post by: Pb on October 18, 2017, 12:25:24 PM

The huge, huge variation in these numbers means that something is not being done right.   ???

Title: Re: Unscientific American “The Rarity of Self-Defense”
Post by: 230RN on October 18, 2017, 02:59:29 PM

Who's Hemenway?

Is that this guy?

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/faculty-and-staff/hemenway-david/

I guess he doesn't read the papers or get out much.

Quote from: BTR on October 18, 2017, 12:25:24 PM

The huge, huge variation in these numbers means that something is not being done right.   ???

I guess you can take the average of the averages, which looks like it's between Kleck and Gertz, and Bordua.  So call it 2 million.

Sort of like buying a cheap thermometer.  You buy the one that reads the average of the ones on the store's shelf.

(If I'm not mistaken, that whole bar chart is from Kleck and Gertz in the first place.)

Is "Mauser" the Tom Mauser whose son was killed at Columbine?  If so, he seems to be closest to that average of averages.  Odd, if he's the one, since Tom Mauser is a dedicated anti-gunner.

But let's face it, even disallowing Hemenway as a ridiculous outlier, the next lowest estimate of about 750,000 by Tarrance, far outnumbers any estimate of gun deaths per year, call it 36,000 or  40,000, or whatever you want to.

Truly:  "The mere presence of a firearm, without a shot being fired, prevents many crimes."

Maybe even 750,000 of them.  :D

Terry

Title: Re: Unscientific American “The Rarity of Self-Defense”
Post by: grampster on October 18, 2017, 08:06:51 PM

Mauser I think is a Canadian.