Post by: gunsmith on January 13, 2007, 05:00:47 PM
It seems that young Owen was saved pretty quickly, he looked
in quite good spirits on TV so maybe that skell didn't try anything.
Whats weird to me is that Shawn Hornbeck kid being there.
It is obvious that he was getting to old for the skell's taste
& he went looking for another young victim.
That Hornbeck kid could have escaped, the picture they show on TV shows
Hornbeck with piercings and painted nails.
I hope the skell gets tortured to death in prison, he really really messed up that poor kid.
Though I can not help but wonder why he didn't try to escape.
Post by: Stand_watie on January 13, 2007, 05:06:28 PM
http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272610968.shtml
It seems that young Owen was saved pretty quickly, he looked
in quite good spirits on TV so maybe that skell didn't try anything.
Whats weird to me is that Shawn Hornbeck kid being there.
It is obvious that he was getting to old for the skell's taste
& he went looking for another young victim.
That Hornbeck kid could have escaped, the picture they show on TV shows
Hornbeck with piercings and painted nails.
I hope the skell gets tortured to death in prison, he really really messed up that poor kid.
Though I can not help but wonder why he didn't try to escape.
It seems that young Owen was saved pretty quickly, he looked
in quite good spirits on TV so maybe that skell didn't try anything.
Whats weird to me is that Shawn Hornbeck kid being there.
It is obvious that he was getting to old for the skell's taste
& he went looking for another young victim.
That Hornbeck kid could have escaped, the picture they show on TV shows
Hornbeck with piercings and painted nails.
I hope the skell gets tortured to death in prison, he really really messed up that poor kid.
Though I can not help but wonder why he didn't try to escape.
I didn't see it on t.v., just read a quick blurb article, and drew probably the same conclusions you did, for the most part. My guess would be (I might be remembering this term wrong) "Munchausen syndrome". Fancy term for as old a concept of psychology as slavery is old.
To add to the sickness of the thought, think of this...he probably genuinely loves that guy now.
Post by: mfree on January 13, 2007, 05:27:12 PM
Post by: Stand_watie on January 13, 2007, 06:14:32 PM
I think you might mean Stockholm Syndrome.
Whoops.
Mother's smothering babies, vs kidnapees coming to sympathize with their captors
Yeah. What he said. Sorry, my bad.
Post by: gunsmith on January 13, 2007, 06:14:44 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchausen_syndrome
Stockholm syndrome is when the victim identifies with the predator.
Still, teens are so rebellious, you would think that he would get tired of that sub human dirt
that kidnapped him.
Post by: gunsmith on January 13, 2007, 06:16:36 PM
Post by: Stand_watie on January 13, 2007, 06:19:08 PM
Thats quite alright Stand, if you can not spot it ...you don't got it!
You don't know my relationship with my ex-wife.
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 13, 2007, 06:58:11 PM
Did you guys here about this outside of the Saint Louis region? We create precious few national news story out this way.
Post by: Stand_watie on January 13, 2007, 07:04:15 PM
...Did you guys here about this outside of the Saint Louis region? We create precious few national news story out this way.
Texas, here.
Post by: Matthew Carberry on January 13, 2007, 07:57:24 PM
Post by: gunsmith on January 13, 2007, 10:02:02 PM
I think it's possible that Hornbeck helped to lure Owen.
There was that spree killer Ricard Wilder who killed a ton of women on a cross country spree, the girl he let live helped him lure another girl to her death.
Post by: Iain on January 14, 2007, 02:04:17 AM
It was on the news here. Kid turns up after four years missing is a pretty big story,
Post by: K Frame on January 14, 2007, 05:12:25 PM
Hornbeck is not to be blamed for not trying to escape. His head was messed with, but good.
Did you guys here about this outside of the Saint Louis region? We create precious few national news story out this way.
Did you guys here about this outside of the Saint Louis region? We create precious few national news story out this way.
It was headline news for quite awhile in DC metro and also on CNN and Fox.
Post by: Stand_watie on January 14, 2007, 05:55:40 PM
...It was on the news here. Kid turns up after four years missing is a pretty big story,
Yeah, it is. I think the only book I ever read that was recommended by 'Oprah' was called "The Deep End Of The Ocean" about an abducted child. In this fictional case it was (fortunately) a nutty woman who stole the kid, and he was treated well.
Post by: gunsmith on January 14, 2007, 08:08:24 PM
Post by: Cosmoline on January 14, 2007, 11:19:17 PM
Post by: 280plus on January 15, 2007, 02:28:36 AM
Post by: Iain on January 15, 2007, 02:34:24 AM
Post by: gunsmith on January 15, 2007, 05:35:50 AM
& imho it is not to early at all to call for torture for the sub human skell
that did the kidnapping.
Shawn Hornbeck knew his folks were looking for him , & had his own cell phone?
imho Hornbeck is begining to look like a brat who liked all the pizza
and the freedom to paint his nails and wear earings.
I am begining to wonder how much he was involved in helping Devlin
kidnapp the younger boy.
Post by: Bogie on January 16, 2007, 10:04:08 PM
Post by: Chris on January 17, 2007, 09:35:09 AM
And, while I'm still open to new information, it seems pretty clear to me that we're talking perp and victims, not kind man and runaways. Didn't the case break because witnesses saw the forceful abduction of the second boy and reported the truck/plate number, which was found and tracked back to the perp? Most runaways don't stage a forced abduction...they just don't come home, or sneak out at night.
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 17, 2007, 09:40:08 AM
Post by: Harold Tuttle on January 17, 2007, 10:47:28 AM
Post by: cosine on January 17, 2007, 11:39:54 AM
(of course, these sort of things happen when you don't watch the television news... *whistles*)
Post by: Tallpine on January 17, 2007, 03:49:13 PM
Yeah, it is. I think the only book I ever read that was recommended by 'Oprah' was called "The Deep End Of The Ocean" about an abducted child. In this fictional case it was (fortunately) a nutty woman who stole the kid, and he was treated well.
Seems like I saw a movie by that name as well, starring Michelle Pfeiffer.
Little boy gets abducted at a convention (hotel lobby or something) and turns up years later as a teenager living with another family in the same neighborhood.
Supposedly "based on a true story"
Or did I just dream all that ...?
Post by: gunsmith on January 17, 2007, 05:52:49 PM
and Hornbeck deserves the same.
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 17, 2007, 06:19:41 PM
Post by: Matthew Carberry on January 17, 2007, 06:45:55 PM
Post by: Matthew Carberry on January 17, 2007, 07:24:29 PM
"I'll kill your parents."
"I'd like to see you try scumbag, my dad will have your head on a pike soon enough".
I want to be the scariest person (to others) my kid can imagine so i can't be used against them. My nieces are leaning that way, between their father and I, they don't think there's a tougher man in the world.
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 17, 2007, 07:45:13 PM
Elizabeth Smart, how soon we forget. I still remember the tagline she stole from Christ; "Thou sayest."
Post by: Matthew Carberry on January 17, 2007, 07:48:40 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 17, 2007, 07:49:42 PM
Post by: Matthew Carberry on January 17, 2007, 07:56:20 PM
I don't want to give up that kind of leverage, concern for me should always be the last thought in my family's mind. I'm not Rambo or anything, but unless there's video of me tied up somewhere, I want my family laughing at that kind of threat.
Post by: Strings on January 18, 2007, 03:16:13 AM
Post by: Jamisjockey on January 18, 2007, 04:03:31 AM
A good thought, carebear. Can't imagine anyone being afraid of you, but...
Elizabeth Smart, how soon we forget. I still remember the tagline she stole from Christ; "Thou sayest."
Elizabeth Smart, how soon we forget. I still remember the tagline she stole from Christ; "Thou sayest."
Oh those carebears scare the everloving *expletive deleted*it out of me....I run when I see 'em....
Post by: mustanger98 on January 18, 2007, 08:25:33 AM
Something I would like my children to feel confident in is that daddy can take care of mommy and everyone else, and is going to turn over every stone until he finds me.
"I'll kill your parents."
"I'd like to see you try scumbag, my dad will have your head on a pike soon enough".
I want to be the scariest person (to others) my kid can imagine so i can't be used against them. My nieces are leaning that way, between their father and I, they don't think there's a tougher man in the world.
"I'll kill your parents."
"I'd like to see you try scumbag, my dad will have your head on a pike soon enough".
I want to be the scariest person (to others) my kid can imagine so i can't be used against them. My nieces are leaning that way, between their father and I, they don't think there's a tougher man in the world.
An old online buddy of mine once said "whatever doesn't kill me had better run like hell." Apply that to this... have a perp who'd mess with a kid we're anyways related to believing he's in for it.
I remember Elizabeth Smart, but didn't hear too many details of that case to know she'd started talking in King James.
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 18, 2007, 08:41:01 AM
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As the police officers questioned her, Elizabeth initially identified herself to them as "Augustine" - an alias given to her by Mitchell. But she also said, "I know what you're thinking. You guys think I'm that Elizabeth Smart girl who ran away". When pressed further by the officers to admit that she was indeed Elizabeth Smart, she finally said, "Thou sayest," a possible reference to the Gospel of Matthew in the Bible, in which Pontius Pilate repeatedly questions Jesus about his identity. Officer Victor Quezada said he "took that as a 'Yes.'"