Post by: El Tejon on January 14, 2007, 10:24:43 AM
What's your pick for the Superbowl and by how much?
(Yes, I want to talk football. So, if you want to jeer at me by saying something about "bread and circuses" go ahead but I want to talk about the greatest game ever devised--football!
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Post by: BozemanMT on January 14, 2007, 12:16:35 PM
Post by: gunsmith on January 14, 2007, 02:20:02 PM
The Patriots will win by a 1
in a really close game that will be argued about for years and there will be huge riots across the country resulting in the imposition of martial law and GW will be appointed President for life and the entire staff of the NY Times will be imprisoned @ gitmo, right wing lunatic militia members will free them and save the Republic and the NY Times will reward them by calling them racist and demanding an end to private ownership of guns.
Post by: garyk/nm on January 14, 2007, 02:38:20 PM
Post by: ilbob on January 14, 2007, 06:04:41 PM
Indy-NE is always a good matchup, and who knows what will happen. The Brady jink on Payton may be lifted, but NE is tough to beat in the playoffs.
Bears-NO should be a great game too, especially if the good Rex Grossman shows up for the game. Does anyone else wonder what happened to the Bear defense?
Post by: Preacherman on January 14, 2007, 06:54:52 PM
Post by: caseydog on January 14, 2007, 07:14:36 PM
Ray
Post by: cosine on January 14, 2007, 07:16:33 PM
Not being an NFL fan, I have no axe to grind in the championship - but I'd really like the NO Saints to do well, for the sake of the city. It'd be a heck of a morale-booster for them, a year after Katrina.
Same here. I'd really like to see New Orleans win.
Post by: mountainclmbr on January 14, 2007, 07:27:33 PM
Post by: K Frame on January 15, 2007, 02:46:42 AM
The Colts offense looked extremely impotent against the Ravens D.
They're only moving on on the strength of one man's foot.
That game was a commedy of errors, poor execution, and lackluster performances.
Post by: 280plus on January 15, 2007, 02:50:33 AM
Post by: Dannyboy on January 15, 2007, 03:12:59 AM
Post by: El Tejon on January 15, 2007, 03:31:44 AM
The Colts scored more points than the Browns and that's enough to knock the tar out of all those talkative Baltimore Browns fans.
New England is always tough, a solid team all around with a solid B+ quarterback. Even with home dome advantage, the Colt will have a tough row to hoe.
Post by: BozemanMT on January 15, 2007, 04:12:49 AM
. And because I'm really tired of hearing about the Patriots and Brady.
Oh, no kidding, +100 on that.
Boston fans are insufferable. Great man Brady, but seriously, give it a break, please. We let you win a World Series, now let someone else win the Super Bowl.
oh yeah, and Schottenheimer should be fired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: K Frame on January 15, 2007, 05:04:45 AM
Take a look at the box score: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20070113033
Less than 20 total yards separating the two teams in total offensive yardage.
Hell, they both had exactly the same total passing yards - 161.
NEITHER team moved the ball well.
The only clearly superior stat the Colts had over the Ravens was the Colts fumbled 3 times, and lost none of them, but the Ravens fumbled twice and lost both. I think both of those ended up being points. Both QBs also threw 2 picks a piece.
The thing that absolutely killed Baltimore was that they consistently had worse field position and couldn't get into position to match the Colts field goal for field goal.
Each team had exactly 2 drives that resulted in more than 50 yards. The Colts converted both, the Ravens converted one.
This is truly one of those games that could have gone either way in a single play. Neither team outplayed the other, the Colts simply outlucked the Ravens through better field position and a couple of timely turnovers.
Post by: K Frame on January 15, 2007, 05:15:31 AM
A celebratory video for you...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=n8DY7y37pkA
Post by: BozemanMT on January 15, 2007, 06:38:22 AM
the question I have is where did the colt's get a defense?
2 weeks in a row after taking the whole season off.
Post by: ONE-SHOT-ONE on January 15, 2007, 07:54:51 AM
norlins' beats bears 27-24
pats over the colts 31-27
s.bowl pats buy 6.
just guessing, nobody put any money on my guess!
Post by: Glock Glockler on January 15, 2007, 10:22:24 AM
Oh, you mean that solid B+ QB who has 3 Superbowl rings to Peyton Mannings...um...let me count..yeah...0 rings? Manning is a crybaby who cannot handle the pressure of the playoffs, he has a 5-6 record in the playoffs and is not fit to shine Tom Brady's shoes.
Post by: K Frame on January 15, 2007, 10:32:56 AM
New England is always tough, a solid team all around with a solid B+ quarterback
Oh, you mean that solid B+ QB who has 3 Superbowl rings to Peyton Mannings...um...let me count..yeah...0 rings? Manning is a crybaby who cannot handle the pressure of the playoffs, he has a 5-6 record in the playoffs and is not fit to shine Tom Brady's shoes.
Oh, you mean that solid B+ QB who has 3 Superbowl rings to Peyton Mannings...um...let me count..yeah...0 rings? Manning is a crybaby who cannot handle the pressure of the playoffs, he has a 5-6 record in the playoffs and is not fit to shine Tom Brady's shoes.
Jesus, Dude, take the football out of your ass, it's putting a little too much pressure on your external "my psyche is defined by the teams I love, my manhood is directly linked to the success of my team" ego...
I agree with El Tejon's assessment -- Brady's stats have always been solid, in the top 1/3rd of the league, but he's never put up the spectacular, year after year league leading numbers like other quarterbacks have in years past. It's his consistency and the depth of the team around him that makes him so effective.
Post by: Dannyboy on January 15, 2007, 10:53:17 AM
Post by: BozemanMT on January 15, 2007, 10:57:27 AM
But if you were a GM on a brand new team, money no object, who woudl be your QB?
I do think Brady just wins. Not flashy, not great stats, but he just wins. (12-1 playoffs? amazing stat)
Post by: Glock Glockler on January 15, 2007, 12:07:10 PM
Sorry, I think you might be projecting a bit of your own ideas on to me. If you can't handle a discussion about football maybe you shouldn't read the thread.
If Brady is a B+ QB, with what he accomplishes in the post-season, what is an A+ QB? Manning has historically choked in the post-season, and then he goes on to throw his teammates under the bus.
Post by: ilbob on January 15, 2007, 12:11:13 PM
Tejon,
Take a look at the box score: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20070113033
Less than 20 total yards separating the two teams in total offensive yardage.
Hell, they both had exactly the same total passing yards - 161.
NEITHER team moved the ball well.
The only clearly superior stat the Colts had over the Ravens was the Colts fumbled 3 times, and lost none of them, but the Ravens fumbled twice and lost both. I think both of those ended up being points. Both QBs also threw 2 picks a piece.
The thing that absolutely killed Baltimore was that they consistently had worse field position and couldn't get into position to match the Colts field goal for field goal.
Each team had exactly 2 drives that resulted in more than 50 yards. The Colts converted both, the Ravens converted one.
This is truly one of those games that could have gone either way in a single play. Neither team outplayed the other, the Colts simply outlucked the Ravens through better field position and a couple of timely turnovers.
Take a look at the box score: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20070113033
Less than 20 total yards separating the two teams in total offensive yardage.
Hell, they both had exactly the same total passing yards - 161.
NEITHER team moved the ball well.
The only clearly superior stat the Colts had over the Ravens was the Colts fumbled 3 times, and lost none of them, but the Ravens fumbled twice and lost both. I think both of those ended up being points. Both QBs also threw 2 picks a piece.
The thing that absolutely killed Baltimore was that they consistently had worse field position and couldn't get into position to match the Colts field goal for field goal.
Each team had exactly 2 drives that resulted in more than 50 yards. The Colts converted both, the Ravens converted one.
This is truly one of those games that could have gone either way in a single play. Neither team outplayed the other, the Colts simply outlucked the Ravens through better field position and a couple of timely turnovers.
Post by: K Frame on January 15, 2007, 12:29:11 PM
it's putting a little too much pressure on your external "my psyche is defined by the teams I love, my manhood is directly linked to the success of my team" ego...
If you can't handle a discussion about football maybe you shouldn't read the thread.
If you can't handle a discussion about football maybe you shouldn't read the thread.
That's funny, but I don't recall calling any of the opposing players crybabies and spouting about shoe shining.
That's what's called an emotional response.
So far you're the only individual in this entire discussion who has seen fit to launch into a diatribe based not on factual information, but heartfelt emotional investment -- not uncommon among sports fans.
We're discussing football. You're not. You're ranting.
IF you want to join the discussion, go here and review the stats for Tom Brady and compare them to Peyton Manning: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=pass&sort=rat&league=nfl&season=2&year=2006
You'll see that it matches up with what has been said -- Brady is a good quarterback with a very solid, very deep team around him; Manning is a serious offense producer who hasn't been the beneficiary of the kind of depth that the Patriots have assembled, and been able to maintain, over the past several years.
Manning's the kind of quarterback who, because of his skills, can force a less capable team like the Colts into the win column month after month (Donovan McNabb of the Eagles is the same kind of QB on the same kind of team) where Tom Brady's skills complement an already exceptional team.
It would be a really interesting exercise to see what would happen were Manning and Brady to change teams and everything else remain the same. I think the Patriots would remain a top notch team, and become even more explosive, but the Colts would, I think, take a step back.
Post by: El Tejon on January 16, 2007, 02:36:53 AM
The Patriots are a solid team in all areas and that what allows them to win Superbowls.
Should be a good game Sunday. My buddy got tickets yesterday after waiting outside in the rain!
Post by: Glock Glockler on January 16, 2007, 04:49:48 AM
Post by: El Tejon on January 16, 2007, 05:15:47 AM
, I think you look to the numbers and see. Maybe Unitas?Who has the best numbers in the NFL for '06? The NFL sez Manning, http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/PRAT/2006/regular (Brady is #9, like I said a soild B+ on numbers alone).
However, I wouldn't call Manning an A+. No doubt Manning has weaknesses, inlcuding feet clay (inability to scramble) and his vulernability to being pysched out. On the numbers Peyton is tough, but the intangibles (chemistry of a team, heart, inter alia) always come to the forefront in the playoffs.
Post by: K Frame on January 16, 2007, 05:31:13 AM
He's No. 1 in overall rating and in total TDs, No. 2 in yards, third in completions, completion percentage, and touch down percentage, 4th in total attempts, yards per attempt, and interception percentage, and fifth in interceptions.
There's only one category in which Brady cracked the top 5 -- touchdowns. In four of the offensive categories he was 10th or lower (completion percentage - 13th, yards per attempt 15th, TD percentage 10th, and interceptions 11th).
That's been a pretty consistent story for the past several years, as well, and really proves exactly what I said in my previous message -- Brady is a solid quarterback on a very solid, very deep team, but Manning is a spectacular quarterback who has the ability to carry his team on his numbers.
Post by: Ron on January 21, 2007, 02:48:27 PM
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Saints by 3
<snicker>
Post by: Dannyboy on January 21, 2007, 05:31:15 PM