Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on January 16, 2007, 10:26:35 PM
Post by: Zed on January 17, 2007, 12:01:01 AM
They have the worst MPG you could imagine (3MPG city, 11 Highway), handle worse than a supertanker (take just as long to stop to), and are only mediocre off-road.
Post by: Standing Wolf on January 17, 2007, 03:03:39 AM
I've never owned a Rover product, and never will. I've known several people who've owned them. The only one who's been satisified bought an extended, comprensive warranty with a used model. His vehicle has been extensively rebuilt by the dealer.
My 2000 Acura Integra just crossed 70,000 miles. The cigarette lighter stopped working at about 68,000 miles, but resumed working even before I located and changed the fuse. That's been it for problems. It gets 2530 miles per gallon around town, 3036 miles per gallon on the highway. The worst thing about the vehicle is that it includes a speed governor that kicks in at 130 miles per hour. I doubt I'd care to go faster than that more than once or twice a yeardefinitely not in Colorado, which, like Oregon, is heavily patrolledbut in most respects, it's been a champion.
The English can't even begin to imagine, still less build such a car.
Post by: Ex-MA Hole on January 17, 2007, 03:10:40 AM
That said, I will never own one. The consistently rate at or near the bottom for reliability. And parts cost big bucks.
Just my 2 cents.
Post by: Cromlech on January 17, 2007, 03:18:25 AM
Post by: Dannyboy on January 17, 2007, 03:44:10 AM
Post by: Jamisjockey on January 17, 2007, 04:10:46 AM
Post by: roo_ster on January 17, 2007, 05:20:15 AM
Thye were more reliable than the Hummers*, more maneuverable in rough stuff, and we could get more RSOVs on transport planes than we could get Hummers.
* Make of that what you will
Post by: Art Eatman on January 17, 2007, 06:41:42 AM
After 22 years and 290K miles, I'll stay with my little 4-banger '85 Toyota. 40,000 miles in 4WD in some of North America's roughest back-country. That engine began life as a forklift motor, and it's as bullet-proof as any I've ever seen. Stick it down in low range and first or second gear, and I think you could crawl up a building until it fell over backwards.
SFAIK, the Land Rovers shown in the TV shows about Africa are good, although my opinion of Lucas electrics is as low as anybody's. I fought those electrics on too many English sports cars...
Art
Post by: charby on January 17, 2007, 07:00:34 AM
-Charby
Post by: Iain on January 17, 2007, 07:01:22 AM
My uncle (farmer) got good years out of an Isuzu Trooper, went round the clock on it and a good bit of that was off road and off main roads.
Post by: InfidelSerf on January 17, 2007, 08:30:49 AM
You want a tough and reliable 4x4.. find an old Toyota FJ40 now those are beasts.
And the entire engine and drivetrain are interchangable from 1954 to 1982
Toyota did a good job maintaining the lines of the original
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on January 17, 2007, 09:03:14 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 17, 2007, 09:23:59 AM
Them look really cool.
Post by: Dannyboy on January 17, 2007, 09:34:59 AM
Post by: Gewehr98 on January 17, 2007, 12:09:35 PM
Looks like my wife is having me go look at this soon, it's similar to the one she had as a younger girl years ago:
Somebody put some time and effort into restoring it. I'm not so sure the 350 Chevy engine is what came with the J10 trucks, but it makes working on it and finding parts easier.
Post by: Cromlech on January 17, 2007, 12:28:41 PM
We had some stretched wheel base versions in my unit: RSOV, MedSOV.
Thye were more reliable than the Hummers*, more maneuverable in rough stuff, and we could get more RSOVs on transport planes than we could get Hummers.
Thye were more reliable than the Hummers*, more maneuverable in rough stuff, and we could get more RSOVs on transport planes than we could get Hummers.
Are you sure they were Range Rovers, and not Land Rovers?
Heard some stat a while back that claimed that 75% of all Landrovers made are still on the road. They've probably been making a lot more of them in recent years, but they have existed since 1955.
Yep, we see them all over the place here, old as the hills but still going strong.
Post by: Zed on January 17, 2007, 12:49:15 PM
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on January 17, 2007, 12:54:19 PM
Post by: Tallpine on January 17, 2007, 03:56:47 PM
dang! there's an old landcruiser sitting with a 4sale sign along the hiway between here and town. if i wasn't so broke i would buy it just for fun.
Post by: MechAg94 on January 17, 2007, 04:38:49 PM
Had a Chevy S10 Blazer that wasn't such a good vehicle previously so I won't sing the praises of GM. Sometimes, I think they give the good vehicles to you when you buy the warranty and the bad ones when you don't.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on January 17, 2007, 04:39:51 PM
Post by: Sylvilagus Aquaticus on January 17, 2007, 04:39:58 PM
Land Cruisers, on the other hand, are a different breed of cat.
If you want something that could run forever, get a Toyota. If you feel the need for more horsepower and torque and can't handle the expected 10MPG from an FJ40 with the original inline 6, you can graft a smallblock Chevy into it.
Even the later Toyota 4wd pickups with the independent front suspension go plenty of places to get you into trouble without breaking the truck. We put 300k miles on an old live axle 4WD Toyota pickup we used as a shop truck, hauling loads that would have destroyed a domestic light pickup.
Time will tell if the FJ Cruiser is just a poser, but so far, every one I've asked who owns one seems to like it well enough.
Regards,
Rabbit.
Post by: Art Eatman on January 17, 2007, 07:26:19 PM
I guess I crawled around under every one of the small 4WD pickups, back in the late '70s, looking at how they were built. The Toy had the strongest frame and running gear. Plus, the 4-banger won't overstress things.
Back around 1984 or '85, the Rover folks brought a half-dozen Range Rovers out to Terlingua for advertising photography. We locals tried to persuade them to play "Follow me!" but they wouldn't.
A buddy of mine had an early Isuzu Trooper. They're also a tough critter. A bit down on power, but for back-country that's not really important.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on January 17, 2007, 07:31:25 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 17, 2007, 07:41:33 PM
Troopers have also crossed my mind. I like ugly boxes on wheels.
Then you need a Hummer; or one of those Scion monstrosities.
Post by: Zed on January 17, 2007, 07:43:55 PM
Post by: Dannyboy on January 18, 2007, 05:42:04 AM
I thought it was a funny story and it gives you an idea of why people would want a Range Rover. I think the new ones look kinda cool but I'll take the Ferrari any day.
Post by: glockfan.45 on January 18, 2007, 12:28:20 PM