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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on March 04, 2018, 12:15:18 PM
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Seriously, what the hell is wrong with people? Some people might say, "It was just a cat, four years is too much", but to me, this is a pretty just sentence. People that would do this to an animal are likely unstable enough that removing them from society is a good thing.
Evidence of which is that the smiling guy in the mugshot photo immediately made a shank in jail (for which he got another five years). The expression on the face of the other guy is of the "Why did I hitch my wagon to his star?" variety.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/04/pair-get-prison-for-dragging-kitten-behind-jeep-killing-it-with-rock-posting-video-online.html
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Four years two much? No. Hell I think a .22 behind the ear and a ditch is appropriate for people like that
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No, a rope on a bumper and 10 miles of pea gravel on old blacktop!
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Introduce the kitten-killers to Lucille .... works for me. >:D
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I....I am legitimately at a loss for words. That's how much wtf is involved here.
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Is there a zoo nearby? Let a "kitten" drag them around for awhile.
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THIS!
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And people wonder why I generally hate people and find absolutely nothing redeeming about humans.
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I'm with Boomhauer. Put the real animals out of our misery. :mad:
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On the plus side, so to speak, is that the miscreants are of different races. It is good to see that stupidity is apparently racially blind.
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Did they get that pizza?
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MIke and I agree on this.
I f'ing hate people.
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And people wonder why I generally hate people and find absolutely nothing redeeming about humans.
Huh. I figured it was the mirror that did that to you.
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What was so outrageous about this? Was it because they killed a kitten? Or because they used a rock?
If they killed a spider with a shoe would that be ok? How about a cow with a slug to the back of the head?
A chicken for a sacrifice, not to eat?
What animals are acceptable to kill for fun? Or food? Or profit?
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What was so outrageous about this? Was it because they killed a kitten? Or because they used a rock?
If they killed a spider with a shoe would that be ok? How about a cow with a slug to the back of the head?
A chicken for a sacrifice, not to eat?
What animals are acceptable to kill for fun? Or food? Or profit?
What about the part before the rock? You know - the dragging behind the car and all? How much psychopathic behavior is normal? You think these guys would make good babysitters?
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The fact that they then posted the video is the odd part to me. Odd facebook group.
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What was so outrageous about this? Was it because they killed a kitten? Or because they used a rock?
If they killed a spider with a shoe would that be ok? How about a cow with a slug to the back of the head?
A chicken for a sacrifice, not to eat?
What animals are acceptable to kill for fun? Or food? Or profit?
If all they did was kill the cat (quickly), I wouldn't have much to say about it. Dragging it behind a car deliberately is pretty cruel.
Does it rank up there enough to justify years of prison time? I am a bit surprised the law allowed such a long sentence. This is pretty much what the law was put in place to punish.
I was trying to think how this ranks with dog fighting and cock fighting, but I don't have any experience with those.
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What was so outrageous about this? Was it because they killed a kitten? Or because they used a rock?
Partly that, partly the sadistic nature of the act. Torture of animals is how many serial killers start out.
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I misread the account as moving the cat out of sight instead of physically dragging it with a car.
Yeah, they deserve jail time, but 6 months is plenty.
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If that was MY cat, I'd break their legs and elbows if they got out in 6 months...
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What animals are acceptable to kill for fun? Or food? Or profit?
None.
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"What animals are acceptable to kill for fun?"
Humans.
"Or food?"
In a pinch, humans.
"Or profit?"
Humans.
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None.
So it is not acceptable to kill animals for food. Is the cat in your picture a vegetarian?
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So it is not acceptable to kill animals for food. Is the cat in your picture a vegetarian?
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FYI, cats are obligate carnivores. They evolved with he necessity to eat meat. Otherwise they die.
If you try to turn a cat into a vegetarian (and more than one brain dead granola crunching fuckstick has tried), you either have to provide it with supplements that are derived from... meat... or it will die.
Attempting to turn a cat into a vegetarian is animal abuse of the worst sort, because it's imposing your own *expletive deleted*ed up concept of a moral compass on something that has no capacity to understand the concept of mortality.
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I misread the account as moving the cat out of sight instead of physically dragging it with a car.
Yeah, they deserve jail time, but 6 months is plenty.
From the info given in the article, I'd agree on six months, or even some kind of supervised probation for the guy on the right. For smiley, I think the longer term is acceptable given we don't put people in mental institutions anymore. He seems to be a guy that will never learn his lesson. I predict when they let him out early in a couple of years, that he'll immediately do something else stupid, or worse, harmful to people.
As the saying goes, some people just need killin'.
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Personally, I'd be willing to show mercy and reduce the sentence to 3 months.
But they have to spend all three months with the balls wired to a 50,000 volt jock strap that hits them at least 100 times a day, at random intervals.
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If all they did was kill the cat (quickly), I wouldn't have much to say about it. Dragging it behind a car deliberately is pretty cruel.
Right. When killing an animal, it should be quick. Slow torture is really warped.
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When killing an animal, it should be quick.
This. I've put a cat down with a 12ga before, just to make sure it didn't feel a thing. (Other than it was already feeling from having its lumbar spine and back legs crushed by a car, that is.)
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I have had to dispatch several various animals in my 60 years and hated doing each and every one BUT it was the right thing to do. That doesn't include those I hunted for food. Those were killed for food and as quickly and humanely as possible. I despise "trophy hunters" with a Purple passion! You hunt for food, herd size control (and don't waste the meat if it's edible!), and to eliminate rogue animals.
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I have had to dispatch several various animals in my 60 years and hated doing each and every one BUT it was the right thing to do. That doesn't include those I hunted for food. Those were killed for food and as quickly and humanely as possible. I despise "trophy hunters" with a Purple passion! You hunt for food, herd size control (and don't waste the meat if it's edible!), and to eliminate rogue animals.
Have you ever enjoyed hunting? If you're eating the animal, does that make enjoyment of the killing okay?
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Have you ever enjoyed hunting? If you're eating the animal, does that make enjoyment of the killing okay?
There is, and should be, a very distinct difference between enjoying the activity of hunting and enjoying killing.
I enjoyed hunting very much. Getting out into the woods, being alone, etc.
But I never enjoyed killing. If you enjoy the killing aspect of it, you need help.
In fact, it finally came to the point where I quit hunting altogether. I could go into the woods any time I wanted, and there was no real reason, need, or desire for me to harvest an animal.
Yes, I eat meat. No, I have no problems with people hunting, as long as they hunt ethically, don't waste the meat, etc. I even enjoy meat harvested by friends who do hunt.
And I, too, absolute hate the concept of trophy hunting. But I also recognize that it has a very important role in the preservation of some endangered species, and that banning all trophy hunting would likely push those animals over the brink in short order.
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I wouldn't say I hunted for "enjoyment of killing" so much as just getting out in the woods and, if I was fortunate, bagging some game. Yes, it can be exciting, no doubt, but it is also an expensive PITA (most of the time) these days. Cold, wet, lots of trying to walk quietly, sitting quietly in a frozen cold blind for hours but in the end you used to get meat that you couldn't get in the stores AND you got it yourself AND it tastes great and unlike most meat you could buy (in most types of game) you didn't buy it all preprocessed and packaged.
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"Trophy hunting," when the herd NEEDS thinning, an animal went rogue or is sick, I am OK with. If the meat is edible, it should be used. I would say I don't get "trophy hunting" a lion or tiger even under the conditions above BUT, I used to race cars and motorcycles at a high level so I don't have a leg to stand on regarding thrill seeking to a possibly life threatening degree do I?
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Except for thinning out prairie rats for the local farmers, I pretty much quit hunting by about 1980. Oh, I'd go squirrel hunting, using my skills to tempt a tree rat around to my side of the tree, then pick out a pine cone near my "quarry" and shoot that. Scare the heck out of the bushytail and it would scurry away.
Nyah, nyah, I "won."
The woods hereabouts ended up with a whole lot of smart squirrels over the years.
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There is, and should be, a very distinct difference between enjoying the activity of hunting and enjoying killing.
I enjoyed hunting very much. Getting out into the woods, being alone, etc.
But I never enjoyed killing. If you enjoy the killing aspect of it, you need help.
In fact, it finally came to the point where I quit hunting altogether. I could go into the woods any time I wanted, and there was no real reason, need, or desire for me to harvest an animal.
Yes, I eat meat. No, I have no problems with people hunting, as long as they hunt ethically, don't waste the meat, etc. I even enjoy meat harvested by friends who do hunt.
And I, too, absolute hate the concept of trophy hunting. But I also recognize that it has a very important role in the preservation of some endangered species, and that banning all trophy hunting would likely push those animals over the brink in short order.
This is very close to where I am these days. I haven't big game hunted in years. I've still gone out every year with the shotgun for birds, though I gave that up for now since old Romy passed. 90% of the pleasure I got out of bird hunting was me and my hunting buddy being in the field together, whether we harvested anything or not. It doesn't mean I won't go again, but I'm likely going to be going a lot less than I did in my youth.
I'm also not big on trophy hunting, though I understand how much it helps the animals and the communities in a lot of poor countries. A $50,000 trophy fee goes a long way in many parts of Africa. I've never been into it for myself though, minus a couple of 30 year old mounted pheasants I have. If I were to go on say a bighorn hunt, I might not be opposed to mounting the head as long as I was able to harvest the meat. For myself, I could never kill a mammal just for the mount.
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But I never enjoyed killing. If you enjoy the killing aspect of it, you need help.
In your opinion, there is (or should be) no thrill in the kill at all? I don't think I agree, but it may be a matter of definitions.
I admit that the excitement has softened over the years but my heart still pounds when I'm lining up a shot and I still get a charge when I make a good hit and a clean kill. There's no hatred in it, nor independent joy in the fact that a life was taken, but even so there is definitely a powerful sensation of victory and accomplishment. While I enjoy sitting alone in the woods and the meat is delicious, as you note I could sit in the woods without hunting and good meat is available from a number of sources. That tells me that there is something more to hunting than merely enjoying a day in nature or acquiring calories.
Maybe it's not the killing per se, as slaughtering chickens gives no such exhilaration, but to say that that anyone who enjoys the climax of a hunt "needs help" doesn't strike me as reasonable.
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Except for thinning out prairie rats for the local farmers, I pretty much quit hunting by about 1980. Oh, I'd go squirrel hunting, using my skills to tempt a tree rat around to my side of the tree, then pick out a pine cone near my "quarry" and shoot that. Scare the heck out of the bushytail and it would scurry away.
The squirrel herd around here needs frequent thinning. Same for pigs. Deer, OTOH, if I don't feel like dressing it out, hauling it back to a vehicle butchering it, etc. I just go out with a camera and a tennis ball. Maybe getting squarely pegged with that will give some of them enough fear of humans to get them through the season.
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"In your opinion, there is (or should be) no thrill in the kill at all? I don't think I agree, but it may be a matter of definitions."
Thrill, based on accomplishment (yes, a successful hunt is an accomplishment), is far different than visceral pleasure at actually ending a creature's life.
The first derives from personal accomplishment.
The second is an indication of a something darker and more disturbing.
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Thrill, based on accomplishment (yes, a successful hunt is an accomplishment), is far different than visceral pleasure at actually ending a creature's life.
I think that's fair.
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Huh. I figured it was the mirror that did that to you.
Nah, the picture of you and your Mom I keep in my wallet. Team Cordex! :rofl:
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Nah, the picture of you and your Mom I keep in my wallet. Team Cordex! :rofl:
:-*
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It wasn't the killing that was awful. That's pretty much how we got to the top of the food chain. It's the prolonged deliberate torture that repels me. If you're going to kill an animal, do it as quicky as possible.
And as far as apportioning the guilt goes, I view it as one would deal with a murderer's accomplice. Murder by each party regardless of who "pulled the trigger." Same possible punishment for each of them.