Armed Polite Society
Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Perd Hapley on April 24, 2018, 01:05:43 AM
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/29790/breaking-anti-gun-control-parkland-survivor-kyle-daily-wire
On Friday, Parkland survivor Kyle Kashuv went to the gun range to learn to fire a gun for the first time, alongside his father....
Kashuv was quickly called out for visiting a gun range and posting about it by a variety of other students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. But that wasn’t the end of the story. When Kyle went to school today, his principal informed him that other students had been upset by his posts, but that he hadn’t done anything wrong. But according to Kyle, in the middle of the morning, events took a different turn:
"Near the end of third period, my teacher got a call from the office saying I need to go down and see a Mr. Greenleaf. I didn’t know Mr. Greenleaf, but it turned out that he was an armed school resource officer. I went down and found him, and he escorted me to his office. Then a second security officer walked in and sat behind me. Both began questioning me intensely. First, they began berating my tweet, although neither of them had read it; then they began aggressively asking questions about who I went to the range with, whose gun we used, about my father, etc. They were incredibly condescending and rude."
This is why government is so great at protecting us from crime. And so typical of government's approach to this kind of thing. It reminds me of the Army, when as soon as somebody screwed up, they'd add more boilerplate to the Friday afternoon safety briefing. Too little; too late.
Intervene when Cruz showed real signs of danger, even saying he was going to be a school shooter? No, thank you. Have armed officers confront Cruz when he was actively shooting people? Again, no. We'll wait until a bunch of people get murdered, while we neglect to go in. Oh, but a young American, guilty of wrong-think, learned to shoot a rifle? Better have armed tough guys sit him down and give him the 3rd degree.
I really hope there is more to this story, because it looks awfully $%^C inexcusable right now.
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I am curious what their policies are. Should they be giving him the 3rd degree without a parent present?
Too bad he didn't record the exchange on his phone. Maybe he shot better than they could and they felt threatened? =)
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I am curious what their policies are. Should they be giving him the 3rd degree without a parent present?
Too bad he didn't record the exchange on his phone. Maybe he shot better than they could and they felt threatened? =)
It wasn't "too bad" actually. He asked to record it and they refused to allow it. They knew their actions wouldn't stand up to scrutiny.
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From the article:
Then a third officer from the Broward County Sheriff’s Office walked in, and began asking me the same questions again. At that point, I asked whether I could record the interview. They said no. I asked if I had done anything wrong. Again, they answered no. I asked why I was there. One said, “Don’t get snappy with me, do you not remember what happened here a few months ago?”
I commend this kids calm. Were I in his place, even my 16 year old self (maybe especially my 16 year old self) I would not have remained calm and respectful as a member of the BCSO lectured me about something I was actually in the building for.
I hope his father, who was reportedly the range instructor, takes some time to visit the Sheriff's Deputies at school and instruct them in easily understood, single syllable words why cowards who hide behind cars outside don't get to lecture his child on his activities. Then file a harassment restraining order against the security officials.
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I am curious what their policies are. Should they be giving him the 3rd degree without a parent present?
Too bad he didn't record the exchange on his phone. Maybe he shot better than they could and they felt threatened? =)
I don't think "policies" enter into it. I think it's the law that a parent must be present. (Unless he's over 18 years of age.)
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It wasn't "too bad" actually. He asked to record it and they refused to allow it. They knew their actions wouldn't stand up to scrutiny.
That's reprehensible. By rights, they should have been recording it. How do we know they didn't anal rape him with a broomstick for being "snappy/"
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I drilled into my kids that in such a circumstances they were not to talk or answer questions and to only demand that their parents be called in.
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I drilled into my kids that in such a circumstances they were not to talk or answer questions and to only demand that their parents be called in.
Good advice. I had much the same from my parents, and I don't think I was alone.
When I was in high school, another kid got called down to the "discipline office" for questioning. An administrator told him to write down where and when he was for the past 2 weeks. He started "First period, math. Second period, history." etc. Admin then demanded to know where the kid was evenings and weekends. Kid told him "Away from school, and not at any school sponsored event, so it's none of your business."
That didn't go over well, and a plainclothes officer - who was sitting in - told him to answer. Wasn't very happy when the kid demanded to know who he was and to see his badge. Asked if he was free to go, cop said "no" and when asked why the questioning, the cop replied "WE are asking the questions." So the kid informed him that as a minor not free to leave, it was his right to have a parent and a lawyer present. Cop threatened him with obstruction of justice, whereupon the kid said "Bring it on, Barney." (Andy Griffith show was still on back then, along with Barney Fife.) The school administrator then butted in and said "I'm here in place of your parents, so I'm telling you to answer." Kid replied "You don't look anything like my mommy, and I'm not saying another word without a parent and a lawyer present."
And he clammed up entirely.
After some attempted browbeating - met with silence - they sent him back to class and told him not to say anything. So of course, as soon as he got back, he told the entire story. Teacher congratulated him for knowing his rights.
I saw the kid a few weeks later and asked him about it - he hadn't heard anything more. He guessed that some theft or vandalism had occurred and they were questioning some students, and he just happened to be one. He wasn't a known troublemaker, so I believed him when he said he had nothing to do with whatever was being investigated. AFAIK, he was never in any actual trouble as a student, either before or after this incident.
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This brung grin to face
I hope his father, who was reportedly the range instructor, takes some time to visit the Sheriff's Deputies at school and instruct them in easily understood, single syllable words why cowards who hide behind cars outside don't get to lecture his child on his activities. Then file a harassment restraining order against the security officials.
Yesyesyesyes
Me go now
X <Terry, his mark
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Looks like it's time for me to have another talk with my children. This time instead of it being about sex or safety it's their rights against agents of the government.
Land of the free my ass.
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It's sad times to be living when something as innocuous as a day at the range with dad can get you branded a potential monster.
I forget where, maybe Twitchy, but one of his teachers stated something along the lines of, "He needed to be investigated, because that's not how people who use those rifles hold them."
Apparently what to me looked like good trigger and pointy end control makes you a potential problem.
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It's sad times to be living when something as innocuous as a day at the range with dad can get you branded a potential monster.
I forget where, maybe Twitchy, but one of his teachers stated something along the lines of, "He needed to be investigated, because that's not how people who use those rifles hold them."
Apparently what to me looked like good trigger and pointy end control makes you a potential problem.
@GregPittman1957
As a teacher from Stoneman Douglas, any student posting photos holding guns, knives or other weapons would be questioned. 4 federal cases have ruled in the last 10 years that assault weapons are not protected. Most gun owners would not hold their gun in this same posed manner
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It's sad times to be living when something as innocuous as a day at the range with dad can get you branded a potential monster.
I suspect that Kashuv is being singled out for harassment because he's not toeing the party line re gun control, is pro RKBA, and has been openly critical of the BCSO. They simply don't like this kid and they're letting him know it.
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I suspect that Kashuv is being singled out for harassment because he's not toeing the party line re gun control, is pro RKBA, and has been openly critical of the BCSO. They simply don't like this kid and they're letting him know it.
I think that goes without saying.
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I think that goes without saying.
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/george_orwell_136281
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This is surreal, and I'm referring mainly to the awful writing.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/29891/exclusive-broward-sheriffs-department-releases-daily-wire
The school or police department couldn't just look at the "threats" before they decided to interrogate a minor? ;/
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Well, as long as the riffle was a friend of his . . .
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Well, as long as the riffle was a friend of his . . .
Well ...
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend," so I guess that works.
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If he had been a real threat they would have hidden behind their cars.
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If he had been a real threat they would have hidden behind their cars.
Great minds think alike?
https://twitter.com/instapundit/status/988763799753756672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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This is surreal, and I'm referring mainly to the awful writing.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/29891/exclusive-broward-sheriffs-department-releases-daily-wire
The school or police department couldn't just look at the "threats" before they decided to interrogate a minor? ;/
Broward County released a report with the student's name? I thought it was illegal for police to release the names of minors?
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Not pretty.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/29894/tolerance-parkland-teacher-slams-student-survivor-daily-wire
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Not pretty.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/29894/tolerance-parkland-teacher-slams-student-survivor-daily-wire
The important thing here is that that teacher didn't make fun of his college applications on twitter. After all, Kyle is just a kid.
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The important thing here is that that teacher didn't make fun of his college applications on twitter. After all, Kyle is just a kid.
:lol:
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The important thing here is that that teacher didn't make fun of his college applications on twitter. After all, Kyle is just a kid.
Thread win.
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Oh, here we go. He's now "proto-Hitler". People get dragged through the mud if they call the Hogg kid (adult) a brownshirt, but Kyle's own teachers are calling him Hitler.
Aaaand Godwin.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/04/26/seriously-wtf-parkland-teacher-tells-students-kyle-kashuv-is-the-next-hitler-who-must-be-dealt-with/
Edit. Oops, I see fistful beat me to it.
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Not pretty.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/29894/tolerance-parkland-teacher-slams-student-survivor-daily-wire
:facepalm: Does anyone even know who/what Hitler really was anymore? :mad:
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I was unaware that Kashuv's parents are Israeli immigrants. I wonder if the offending teacher knew that at the time?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/09/parkland-survivor-kyle-kashuv-on-meeting-trump-his-app-to-prevent-another-school-shooting.html
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:facepalm: Does anyone even know who/what Hitler really was anymore? :mad:
Sure: anyone who disagrees with you. :P
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Sure: anyone who disagrees with you. :P
What's that mean? ???
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What's that mean? ???
I'm pretty sure he means the generic "you". Literally.
[Archer] Are we still doing that? [/Archer]