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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: dm1333 on April 28, 2018, 11:11:55 AM
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An interesting take on gun control, I read through it once and am still digesting some of it.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/04/28/gun-nuts-guide-to-gun-control-federal-semi-automatic-firearm-license-218072
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It's nothing more than a revised NFA of 1934 for semiautos. The author is clearly a Fudd.
It will not stop the antigunners; they want us DISARMED. This will give them a registration list of who has the types of guns the antis are on their jihad to confiscate.
It doesn't take anything to digest this. It'll only give you ptomain.
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Not just "No", but 'Hell no!" It's not a gun registration scheme, it's a gun owner registration scheme. We've got enough of that already with 4473 forms and concealed carry permits.
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It's nothing more than a revised NFA of 1934 for semiautos. The author is clearly a Fudd.
It will not stop the antigunners; they want us DISARMED. This will give them a registration list of who has the types of guns the antis are on their jihad to confiscate.
It doesn't take anything to digest this. It'll only give you ptomain.
That was my exact thought, just an expansion/redo/copy of the 1934 NFA for semi-autos. Bad, really bad thinking going on in that guys brain.
bob
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My gun nut's guide to gun control: Just say no to gun control.
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They'll get it sooner or later. Let's face it. We're amateurs. They're pros.
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It's nothing more than a revised NFA of 1934 for semiautos. The author is clearly a Fudd.
Correct.
Licenses can be revoked. End of discussion. The word "license" does not appear in my copy of the Second Amendment. We are supposedly guaranteed a "right" to keep and bear arms. Semi-automatic rifles are "arms." There should be no need to obtain a license before exercising a right.
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Is the guy trying to sneak in Federal pre-emption vs. the states, in the same way that some states have pre-emption vs. counties and cities?
Hmmm . . . if they were to explicitly criminalize states as well as individual bureaucrats and individual officers who fail to respect a Federal pre-emption law, maybe there would be room for discussion. And of course, they'd have to get rid of secret disqualification criteria, so watch lists and no fly lists wouldn't apply.
And if they're doing background checks, no need to limit to semi autos, approval should also include full autos (goodbye, 1986 MG freeze), suppressors, SBRs, and DDs. In fact, goodbye NFA '34. And there would be no problem with approved people purchasing via mail or across state lines, so goodbye GCA '68. There would have to be some safeguards in place - right now, I don't know what kind - so regulations or incremental changes couldn't be worked in to gradually gnaw away at desirable provisions.
Otherwise . . . not only no, but hell no.
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*expletive deleted*ck you Surrender Monkey
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I notice a lot more liberal leaning writers trying to beef up their "gun nut" credentials in order to push gun control. I guess the old way of talking about what a hunter they are doesn't work as well as it used to.
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I notice a lot more liberal leaning writers trying to beef up their "gun nut" credentials in order to push gun control. I guess the old way of talking about what a hunter they are doesn't work as well as it used to.
Yeah. The current price of admission is that you have to be able to spell "9mm" correctly, and you get bonus points if you claim you carry your "9mm" in church. That checks both the "guns" and "religion" boxes in one sentence. Throw in driving a diesel pickup, and wearing jeans, and we're looking at John Wayne reincarnated (all hail His name). Plus he snuck in "family," so there's another box checked. And he's from Texas (or says he is), so we immediately think back to the Alamo, and Davy Crockett and sam Houston and Jim Bowie.
Yessir, what we're dealin' with here is the Second Coming, fer sure. He made sure he checked as many boxes as humanly possible in that one paragraph.
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You might want to google "Jon Stokes". ;)
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Yeah. The current price of admission is that you have to be able to spell "9mm" correctly, and you get bonus points if you claim you carry your "9mm" in church. That checks both the "guns" and "religion" boxes in one sentence. Throw in driving a diesel pickup, and wearing jeans, and we're looking at John Wayne reincarnated (all hail His name). Plus he snuck in "family," so there's another box checked. And he's from Texas (or says he is), so we immediately think back to the Alamo, and Davy Crockett and sam Houston and Jim Bowie.
Yessir, what we're dealin' with here is the Second Coming, fer sure. He made sure he checked as many boxes as humanly possible in that one paragraph.
:laugh:
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You might want to google "Jon Stokes". ;)
Does it really matter? Just another form of "compromise" on gun control. If he is an actual gun guy, it just means he should already know it won't work.
Besides, if there were to be a federal license, it should be automatic as a legal resident.
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"Does it really matter"? If by that you mean does it really matter what the people who want to restrict or take away our right to bear arms are thinking and what they might be planning? Yes. And it helps us to know what their intentions are.
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Yeah. The current price of admission is that you have to be able to spell "9mm" correctly, and you get bonus points if you claim you carry your "9mm" in church. That checks both the "guns" and "religion" boxes in one sentence. Throw in driving a diesel pickup, and wearing jeans, and we're looking at John Wayne reincarnated (all hail His name). Plus he snuck in "family," so there's another box checked. And he's from Texas (or says he is), so we immediately think back to the Alamo, and Davy Crockett and sam Houston and Jim Bowie.
Yessir, what we're dealin' with here is the Second Coming, fer sure. He made sure he checked as many boxes as humanly possible in that one paragraph.
Too many boxes. I think more likely he's just a lying sack of excrement. (maybe that was implied...)
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You might want to google "Jon Stokes". ;)
And?
I found this under his byline:
The vintage Henry lever action rifle — the quintessential 20th century deer rifle — was originally deployed to devastating effect in the Civil War.
Really? The original Henry rifle, in .44 Rimfire? The rifle that was built for a whole six years before being replaced by the Winchester Model 1866? And of which only 14,000 were made?
THAT's his idea of the quintessential 20th century deer rifle?
Being a computer programmer and being a gun guy are not inherently mutually exclusive but, in his case, it seems to have worked out that way. He appears to know just enough to throw together words that make it sound like he knows what he's talking about. However, as a man I once worked for liked to say, "Everything you see in print is true ... unless you have firsthand knowledge of the facts."
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And if they're doing background checks, no need to limit to semi autos, approval should also include full autos (goodbye, 1986 MG freeze), suppressors, SBRs, and DDs. In fact, goodbye NFA '34. And there would be no problem with approved people purchasing via mail or across state lines, so goodbye GCA '68. There would have to be some safeguards in place - right now, I don't know what kind - so regulations or incremental changes couldn't be worked in to gradually gnaw away at desirable provisions.
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My theoretical theory on that is we assume a person is law abiding and non-violent until he proves otherwise. Then we take away his rights.
But of course, that would be harking back to the days of old before all the pre-emptive right-taking came about in modern politics.
Terry, 230RN
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My theoretical theory on that is we assume a person is law abiding and non-violent until he proves otherwise. Then we take away his rights.
But of course, that would be harking back to the days of old before all the pre-emptive right-taking came about in modern politics.
Terry, 230RN
That is all based on one taking personal responsibility for one's actions, which seems to have become something of an taboo idea these days.
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Politico - Hard Left website.
Hard Pass.
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I have to give the author credit for one thing: he speaks of actual compromise. First time I've heard that at all
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am a gun industry insider, a lifelong gun owner and a vocal advocate for Second Amendment rights. I am a Texan and an American patriot who hauls my family to church every Sunday in a diesel pickup truck, where I sit in the pew and listen to the Word with a 9mm pistol tucked inside the waistband of my fanciest jeans.
Its like he's trying to hard to establish some sort of non-NewYawk bonifides by creating some sort of fictional stereotype.
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Finally had time to read the article. Nothing but a bunch of rehashed FuddNuttery in a shiney new package.
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I have to give the author credit for one thing: he speaks of actual compromise. First time I've heard that at all
I'm done with compromise from the anti-gun perspective. Compromise is supposed to mean both sides get a little and give a little. Please tell me what the pro-gun side has gained in any gun control "compromise" in the last 100 years?
We've compromised ourselves to the point where we are on the brink of total loss of our 2nd amendment rights.
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I'm done with compromise from the anti-gun perspective. Compromise is supposed to mean both sides get a little and give a little. Please tell me what the pro-gun side has gained in any gun control "compromise" in the last 100 years?
We've compromised ourselves to the point where we are on the brink of total loss of our 2nd amendment rights.
This.
I want my damn cake back. All of it.
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Teaching your child how to shoot a semi-automatic would automatically make him a felon.
Teaching any new shooter on a semi-automatic makes them a felon.
Getting new shooters involved with firearms becomes highly regulated and difficult, necessarily decreasing the number of new shooters. This is a scheme designed to turn owning guns into the niche hobby that NFA owners/shooters are.
I.e. it's about killing the gun culture over the long term.
No.
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My theoretical theory on that is we assume a person is law abiding and non-violent until he proves otherwise. Then we take away his rights.
But of course, that would be harking back to the days of old before all the pre-emptive right-taking came about in modern politics.
Terry, 230RN
So how about this - driver's licenses (or state ID cards) are cross referenced with criminal records, with a big CVF ("Convicted Violent Felon") on the driver's licenses of convicted violent felons. Everyone without a "CVF" can buy anything they want, where ever and when ever they want? (The alternative is to keep the proven bad guys in jail and just not let them run around loose.)
I'd also include criteria for disqualifying people who are mentally ill, but seeing as I put the pill pushing quacks of modern psychiatry (who'd no doubt be making that determination) on a par with astrologers and phrenologists, I wouldn't have much confidence in the results.
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A 'gun nut's' (me) perspective to reasonable gun control:
-Repeal the Hughes Amendment.
-Repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968
-Repeal the National Firearms act of 1934
Nothing else is 'reasonable.'
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So how about this - driver's licenses (or state ID cards) are cross referenced with criminal records, with a big CVF ("Convicted Violent Felon") on the driver's licenses of convicted violent felons. Everyone without a "CVF" can buy anything they want, where ever and when ever they want? (The alternative is to keep the proven bad guys in jail and just not let them run around loose.)
I'd also include criteria for disqualifying people who are mentally ill, but seeing as I put the pill pushing quacks of modern psychiatry (who'd no doubt be making that determination) on a par with astrologers and phrenologists, I wouldn't have much confidence in the results.
How about this: every free person at least 18 years of age can buy whatever they can afford, no questions asked.
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How about this: every free person at least 18 years of age can buy whatever they can afford, no questions asked.
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