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Title: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: Ben on August 18, 2018, 06:54:48 PM
CA looks to be poised to regulate what drinks restaurants will be allowed to serve children. Basically water and milk. I'm actually surprised at milk since the enviros cry about evil cows all the time.

I would expect parents to do what one of the comments indicated: Order the kids meal with water, order an extra "kid banned" drink for themselves and then give it to the kid. That's what I would do.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/08/18/now-california-is-proposing-to-legislate-what-drinks-restaurants-can-serve-your-kids/
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: Fly320s on August 18, 2018, 06:58:11 PM
With socialized medicine comes socialized control.
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: lee n. field on August 18, 2018, 07:15:56 PM
since the enviros cry about evil cows all the time.

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I would expect parents to do what one of the comments indicated: Order the kids meal with water, order an extra "kid banned" drink for themselves and then give it to the kid. That's what I would do.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/08/18/now-california-is-proposing-to-legislate-what-drinks-restaurants-can-serve-your-kids/
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: freakazoid on August 18, 2018, 11:36:28 PM
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Councilmember Jason Dominguez countered that “we can’t always count on common sense,” adding, “We have to regulate every aspect of people’s lives.”
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: bedlamite on August 18, 2018, 11:48:03 PM
"Known by the state of Cancer to cause California" -AvE
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 19, 2018, 12:06:16 AM
"Known by the state of Cancer to cause California" -AvE

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Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: TechMan on August 19, 2018, 06:20:08 AM
Ben, though I don’t agree with the bill it is making water or milk the default offerings.  The others options will be there but the parent has to ask for them. And so they will ask for them, this is nothing but a feel good piece of crap legislation.
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: Jamisjockey on August 19, 2018, 08:25:53 AM
With socialized medicine comes socialized control.

This.
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: Ben on August 19, 2018, 09:39:03 AM
Ben, though I don’t agree with the bill it is making water or milk the default offerings.  The others options will be there but the parent has to ask for them. And so they will ask for them, this is nothing but a feel good piece of crap legislation.

I should be better about digging into Twitchy posts.  :laugh:

Still, it being CA (and elsewhere), "default" often becomes the only option after everyone just accepts it. Not a bad thing when it's a freedom. A bad thing when it's a restriction.
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: Fly320s on August 19, 2018, 10:32:16 AM
I should be better about digging into Twitchy posts.  :laugh:

Still, it being CA (and elsewhere), "default" often becomes the only option after everyone just accepts it. Not a bad thing when it's a freedom. A bad thing when it's a restriction.

You're forgiven for assuming the worst in these cases.  With NYC trying to ban sodas, CA trying to ban straws, Seattle trying to ban everything, it is only natural to think in terms of restrictions.
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: 230RN on August 19, 2018, 01:25:05 PM
CA looks to be poised to regulate what drinks restaurants will be allowed to serve children. Basically water and milk. I'm actually surprised at milk since the enviros cry about evil cows all the time.

I would expect parents to do what one of the comments indicated: Order the kids meal with water, order an extra "kid banned" drink for themselves and then give it to the kid. That's what I would do.
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And bring a plastic straw for them.

Terry
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: TechMan on August 20, 2018, 01:22:08 PM
I should be better about digging into Twitchy posts.  :laugh:

Still, it being CA (and elsewhere), "default" often becomes the only option after everyone just accepts it. Not a bad thing when it's a freedom. A bad thing when it's a restriction.

I whole heartily agree.
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: Hawkmoon on August 20, 2018, 03:31:34 PM
And bring a plastic straw for them.


I save my plastic straws, for future use when the inevitable ban comes to my state.

Here's a hint for y'all: McDonald's straws are worth saving. They hold up. Burger King straws don't last. I keep a bunch of straws in a soda cup next to the kitchen window. After a very short time, the Burger King straws get so brittle that they crumble just from picking them up. It may be due to the type of plastic, or it may be because of the red color. Whatever the reason ... don't save Burger King straws, but hang onto those Mickey D's tubular liquid ingestion devices.
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: Fly320s on August 20, 2018, 03:41:40 PM
but hang onto those Mickey D's tubular liquid ingestion devices.

I drink only octagonal liquids.
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: just Warren on August 20, 2018, 04:05:57 PM
I drink only octagonal liquids.

"Are you still thirsty?"

"No, I just eight."
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: 230RN on August 20, 2018, 04:38:19 PM
Ben, though I don’t agree with the bill it is making water or milk the default offerings.  The others options will be there but the parent has to ask for them. And so they will ask for them, this is nothing but a feel good piece of crap legislation.

Ah, but these things seem to morph into full-bore restrictions, like seat-belt laws. At first they're just options, then they add shoulder straps, then they become only secondary offenses, the cops can't pull you over just for not wearing them, then they allow cops to pull you over for that, then they add child restraints, next thing you know they're full-bore felonies.

"Paranoid much, Terry?"

"Nah, I just have a long memory and I've seen this kind of stuff too often.  See, they don't 'stick it to you.'  They 'slip it to you.' with what appear to be reasonable steps."

"Aw, you're just a paranoid old pharte, Terry."

"Ayup.  But that kind of stuff is the reason for a lot of what they call 'geriatric paranoia.'  We remember."

"Sure, sure.  Well, back to my MegaWarzilla game.  I just made Level 26 and got issued a Meson Antispin Gun."

"Yeah, whatever.... see you around.  Thanks for buying me the soyburger and water."

"You're welcome."



Terry
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: MechAg94 on August 20, 2018, 04:40:42 PM
I save my plastic straws, for future use when the inevitable ban comes to my state.

Here's a hint for y'all: McDonald's straws are worth saving. They hold up. Burger King straws don't last. I keep a bunch of straws in a soda cup next to the kitchen window. After a very short time, the Burger King straws get so brittle that they crumble just from picking them up. It may be due to the type of plastic, or it may be because of the red color. Whatever the reason ... don't save Burger King straws, but hang onto those Mickey D's tubular liquid ingestion devices.
https://www.amazon.com/Crystalware-Plastic-Straws-Individually-Wrapped/dp/B01D7KFNJ2/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1534797492&sr=8-13&keywords=straws+long
They haven't banned them from Amazon (yet). 
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: TechMan on August 20, 2018, 04:47:37 PM
https://www.amazon.com/Crystalware-Plastic-Straws-Individually-Wrapped/dp/B01D7KFNJ2/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1534797492&sr=8-13&keywords=straws+long
They haven't banned them from Amazon (yet). 

If they do just order directly from China Inc.TM  https://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesale-plastic-straws.html?initiative_id=SB_20180820124452&site=glo&g=y&SearchText=plastic+straws&pvId=200325261-202624821&attrRel=or&isrefine=y (https://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesale-plastic-straws.html?initiative_id=SB_20180820124452&site=glo&g=y&SearchText=plastic+straws&pvId=200325261-202624821&attrRel=or&isrefine=y)
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: TommyGunn on August 20, 2018, 06:56:15 PM
They used to make these reusable plastic straws that were molded into fancy loops and such .... perhaps there's a market for these opening up in certain areas of this country that like childish things ..... [popcorn]
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: Ben on August 20, 2018, 07:24:43 PM
They used to make these reusable plastic straws that were molded into fancy loops and such .... perhaps there's a marked for these opening up in certain areas of this country that like childish things ..... [popcorn]

On the tangent, a quick perusal of Amazon showed at least half, if not more, of the reusable straws that now seem to be a popular item are made out of steel. I'd be curious to see the numbers for the "environmental hit" of creating a demand for steel straws versus plastic. Less plastic straws in the landfill, but more CO2 in the air. :)

Not to mention people getting sick from the bacteria because they don't properly clean their reusable straws between uses.
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 24, 2018, 12:30:49 AM
Who is using all these straws, anyway? Why do people prefer to suck their beverages like a caged hamster, instead of drinking from the rim of a cup, like a human?
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: Pb on August 24, 2018, 09:21:28 AM
Who is using all these straws, anyway? Why do people prefer to suck their beverages like a caged hamster, instead of drinking from the rim of a cup, like a human?

Some disable people require straws.  They were made at these new laws, among others.
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: makattak on August 24, 2018, 09:51:08 AM
Who is using all these straws, anyway? Why do people prefer to suck their beverages like a caged hamster, instead of drinking from the rim of a cup, like a human?

Not only disabled people, but people who don't like trying to strain the 1.5M pieces of ice they put in your drinks.
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 24, 2018, 10:47:12 AM
Duh. I know that some people have good reasons to use straws. It's just odd that so many people use one just because the restaurant provides it.
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: MechAg94 on August 24, 2018, 10:55:28 AM
On the tangent, a quick perusal of Amazon showed at least half, if not more, of the reusable straws that now seem to be a popular item are made out of steel. I'd be curious to see the numbers for the "environmental hit" of creating a demand for steel straws versus plastic. Less plastic straws in the landfill, but more CO2 in the air. :)

Not to mention people getting sick from the bacteria because they don't properly clean their reusable straws between uses.
There are miles of stainless steel tubing in most chemical plants from 1/4" to 1/2" mostly.  The steel straw market so far is likely just a side show of the tubing made for industrial uses. 
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: Fly320s on August 24, 2018, 03:43:49 PM
Duh. I know that some people have good reasons to use straws. It's just odd that so many people use one just because the restaurant provides it.

I prefer to use a straw for drinks that have ice in them.  I also use a straw for to-go drinks.  My kids use straws because their drinks have lids.
Title: Re: CA Regulates What Drinks to Serve Children
Post by: Ben on August 24, 2018, 03:52:36 PM
Duh. I know that some people have good reasons to use straws. It's just odd that so many people use one just because the restaurant provides it.

In some restaurants, whether they provide a glass or I take a cup myself, I will use a straw. Some waitstaff, and some customers who run their grubby hands down all the stacked cups, gross me out and I will not let my mouth touch the rim of a glass or cup they may have touched.

These days whenever I happen to use the free hotel breakfast when traveling, I bring my Black Rifle thermos mug with me and drink out of that, because those places seem to be the worst with people pawing all the disposable coffee cups.

And it's not always their fault because someone with gorilla arms always seems to be the person that stacks them, so it takes two hands to pull off the top cup, and that means the support hand is wrapped around about ten cup rims underneath it. Kinda like the doorknob to the public bathroom.