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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: p12 on October 17, 2018, 05:41:34 PM
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A good punch to the throat would stop crap like this.
Dem operative for Soros-funded group arrested for 'battery' against Nevada GOP candidate's campaign manager
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-operative-for-soros-funded-group-arrested-for
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People need to learn how to defend themselves and not be afraid to go there.
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A 1/2 dozen 115gr hollow points to center of mass will have a better effect and give pause to future goblins contemplating doing the same.
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I don't think that gunfire would be justified in the case of what the OP's linked story stated.
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I don't think that gunfire would be justified in the case of what the OP's linked story stated.
I dunno, false imprisonment, battery, threats...
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I dunno, false imprisonment, battery, threats...
Fear of imminent death? Grave bodily harm? Yea, the aggressor was wrong, and I'm sure it was nerve racking for the victim .... but I don't think it got quite far enough to justify deadly force. Getting there ... but not there.
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And they call us terrorists?
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Fear of imminent death? Grave bodily harm? Yea, the aggressor was wrong, and I'm sure it was nerve racking for the victim .... but I don't think it got quite far enough to justify deadly force. Getting there ... but not there.
Small, attractive woman, grabbed and pulled around by a man, left with bruises on her arm and neck? I'd say at some point during the attack she might have been thinking it was something more than a politically-motivated temper tantrum.
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Small, attractive woman, grabbed and pulled around by a man, left with bruises on her arm and neck? I'd say at some point during the attack she might have been thinking it was something more than a politically-motivated temper tantrum.
A #MeToo moment.
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So you can't shoot a guy just for being a Soros henchman? Sounds fishy. Can we get a legal expert to confirm?
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A #MeToo moment.
#metwo as in a double-tap.
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I don't think that gunfire would be justified in the case of what the OP's linked story stated.
Read it again.
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Fear of imminent death? Grave bodily harm?
The victim doesn't have to suffer grievous bodily harm, he/she only has to be in fear that it may occur. As she described the encounter, I would say she had every reason to fear that she could be seriously injured.
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The victim doesn't have to suffer grievous bodily harm, he/she only has to be in fear that it may occur. As she described the encounter, I would say she had every reason to fear that she could be seriously injured.
Fear of grave harm, not actual harm. Maybe she would have been justified .... but I think she'd have a hard time in court. Her bruises did not seem that bad. I've seen far worse bruising from sources that didn't require shooting.
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but I think she'd have a hard time in court.
Not if I was on the jury.
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If you read the article you will find that the Democrat operative has been arrested at least twice previously for similar reasons. In the previous cases he had attacked women. I think there is a deeper problem.
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And now I know what a political tracker is.
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Yep, they follow a candidate around videoing/recording everything they do or say as part of "Oppo Research" and to use in campaign ads.
And as far as being able to use lethal force. You have a clear disparity of size and strength. Once he forced his way into the room and went hands-on, she could clearly say she was in fear of her life.
If I was on her jury, I would vote to acquit.
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There have been a number of other assaults reported around the country by liberals against Republican candidates or their staffers, including one in which a candidate was sucker punched in the back of the head.
This *expletive deleted*it needs to be dealt with harshly and violently and, if necessary, lethally.
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:facepalm:
For some reason, I'd gotten the idea this happened outside.
Yes, if this creep busted into her room, it puts a very different complexion on the situation.
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:facepalm:
For some reason, I'd gotten the idea this happened outside.
Yes, if this creep busted into her room, it puts a very different complexion on the situation.
How would it have been any different if it happened in her car, on a secluded jogging trail, at a gas station, or in her front yard?
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Fear of grave harm, not actual harm. Maybe she would have been justified .... but I think she'd have a hard time in court. Her bruises did not seem that bad. I've seen far worse bruising from sources that didn't require shooting.
The law doesn't require that you take a beating first. Once he put his hands on her in an aggressive manner, she (or those with her) would have been justified to clear leather.
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A good punch to the throat would stop crap like this.
Dem operative for Soros-funded group arrested for 'battery' against Nevada GOP candidate's campaign manager
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-operative-for-soros-funded-group-arrested-for
Explore the Fox News apps that are right for you at http://www.foxnews.com/apps-products/index.html.
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Grabbed her arm, but there're bruises on her arm and neck. Hmm.
A good argument for an intermediate level of force. Pepper spray until he withers away. "I'm melting! I'm melting!"
OTOH, this:
Davison told Fox News when she, Laxalt and two other male staffers went into the private room and closed the door, it “burst open” moments later.
“Two male staffers were trying to hold him back. He was so aggressive, he looked like he was going to towards the candidate to physically harm him,” Davison said, adding that she was standing in the doorway.
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He grabbed my right arm, my leg was lodged between the door and the wall. He twisted my arm, and contorted it behind my back,”
wow.
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They attempted to retreat to a place of safety (the other, private room). Once he broke into that room uninvited, the use of lethal force became an option. Especially, if he's moving in an aggressive manner as described.
It's the equivalent of someone breaking into your home.
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There have been a number of other assaults reported around the country by liberals against Republican candidates or their staffers, including one in which a candidate was sucker punched in the back of the head.
This *expletive deleted*it needs to be dealt with harshly and violently and, if necessary, lethally.
I wonder how we got here. ???
https://www.salon.com/2017/01/23/the-new-national-debate-is-it-ever-ok-to-punch-a-nazi/
Maybe the question shouldn't be, "Is it OK to punch a Nazi?" but, "If you don't want to be punched in the face, maybe you shouldn't preach Nazi values to the public?"
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Ok. I didn’t pick up on the retreat and busting in.
Time for a slug.
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This *expletive deleted*it needs to be dealt with harshly and violently and, if necessary, lethally.
This. And it's why I strongly encourage pretty much all the women I know to take a serious self defense course. I know 12 year old girls who would've left the guy with some pretty nasty injuries. (And yes, once I know they've got the techniques down, they get as real and determined of an attack to work with as I can manage without causing actual injury to them. They, OTOH, do sometimes manage to leave me with real injuries, but I make it a point to tell them that I'm willing to eat a few more ibuprofen for them to be that much more effective if it's ever needed off the mat.) The more responsible ones do get taught how to throw in a throat strike or a dangerous choke. Pretty much all of them over about 15 get taught those as primary techniques; any guy violently grabbing them can be presumed to have intent worthy of such a response.
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Quote from the assailant that's buried down in the article:
He grabbed my right arm, my leg was lodged between the door and the wall. He twisted my arm, and contorted it behind my back,” she explained. “I was scared. Every time I tried pulling away, he would grab tighter, and pull me closer into him.”
Davison said Stark pulled her head into his chest, bruising her neck, and held her there for several minutes.
“I was scared and screaming ‘stop—you’re hurting me,’” she explained.
Davison[the victim] said Stark[the assailant] warned Laxalt, [the candidate] saying, “Adam, there’s only one way you can make this stop.”
Names labeled for clarification.
There's only one way you can make this stop.
Yeah, that guy needed to be hurt, bad. Throat punch, ruptured testicles, gouged out eyes, shot (if you have a gun) something. That kind of political violence needs to be fatal, or as close as practicable, pour encourager les autres.
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Quote from the assailant that's buried down in the article:
Names labeled for clarification.
There's only one way you can make this stop.
Yeah, that guy needed to be hurt, bad. Throat punch, ruptured testicles, gouged out eyes, shot (if you have a gun) something. That kind of political violence needs to be fatal, or as close as practicable, pour encourager les autres.
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THIS. SO. MUCH. THIS.
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How would it have been any different if it happened in her car, on a secluded jogging trail, at a gas station, or in her front yard?
Well, I was trying to address the situation that I hadn't been aware she had been intruded upon. If she had been in her car, she could have been "trapped," while in the other situations it might be argued she might have been better able to escape. This might make a difference in a state with "a duty to retreat," which I don't know exists in Vegas or not, plus, if she was grabbed, it perhaps might not have been possible (unless she could get in a good swift kick to the family jewels). The gas station locale might have presented an opportunity for another person in the vicinity to assist her.
However, endless speculation on how locale might affect the incident is a little pointless. What happened is what happened.
I agree an aggressive defense would have been justified.
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Well, I was trying to address the situation that I hadn't been aware she had been intruded upon. If she had been in her car, she could have been "trapped," while in the other situations it might be argued she might have been better able to escape. This might make a difference in a state with "a duty to retreat," which I don't know exists in Vegas or not, plus, if she was grabbed, it perhaps might not have been possible (unless she could get in a good swift kick to the family jewels). The gas station locale might have presented an opportunity for another person in the vicinity to assist her.
Even states that have a duty to retreat make it conditional on being able to retreat "in complete safety." If a big guy has a little woman in a headlock, where would she have any ability at all to retreat ... let alone "in complete safety"?
Never mind the swift kick to the jewels. That's use of force (by her) -- that's what you were arguing she might not have a right to do. As for a bystander being in a position to help her -- there is no law, in any state, that requires a bystander to assist someone who is being attacked, and there is no law in any state that says a person cannot use force to defend themselves if there's a bystander who "may" be in a position to assist.
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He's got a history of this kind of stuff too, unfortunately this guy doesn't seem to have gotten what he deserves yet.
Obviously violence shouldn't be tolerated...
I had heard that he had body slammed a reporter. And he was way up, and I said, and this was the day of the election or just before -- 'This is terrible, he's going to lose the election.' And then I said, 'Wait a minute, I know Montana pretty well. I think it might help him.' And it did. He's a great guy. Tough cookie."
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