Armed Polite Society
Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Hawkmoon on February 12, 2019, 05:14:11 PM
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I'm confused. The local cops can seize everything from you or me or the nice couple down the street with no trial, no conviction, no meaningful due process at all if they just claim that they (the aw-thaw-rih-tays) think the assets might be in some way related to a crime. But El Chapo has $14 BILLION in assets, and the goobermint didn't seize those. They're only going after those assets now that he has been convicted.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-jury-convicts-mexico-drug-lord-el-chapo-after-three-month-trial-11549992888
Doesn't seem fair to me.
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Better lawyer(s) maybe?
Which still don't make it right
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El Chapo has the means to fight back, either legally or extra-legally. "Civil forfeiture" is mostly used by the police to steal from the defenseless. (I don't know why the Mafia doesn't start an asset recovery business, unless most of the cases are too small-potatoes.)
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asset forfeiture is nasty business
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr2oItXC1eM
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I wondered the same thing. I suspect his assets are better protected from seizure. The scales of justice may weigh everybody equally, but money lubricates the mechanism.
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Asset forfeiture is used mostly by land pirates.
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I'm confused. The local cops can seize everything from you or me or the nice couple down the street with no trial, no conviction, no meaningful due process at all
I assume part of it is that being an international case that required extradition, they simply don't have as direct/easy access to just seize everything.
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I assume part of it is that being an international case that required extradition, they simply don't have as direct/easy access to just seize everything.
That was my first thought. If the money was in foreign locations, we probably have treaties allowing seizure, but only with a conviction.
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Asset forfeiture is used mostly by land pirates.
Asset (or "civil") forfeiture usually applies to cash and motor vehicles. Are you thinking of eminent domain?
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Asset (or "civil") forfeiture usually applies to cash and motor vehicles. Are you thinking of eminent domain?
Young whippersnapper doesn't know what a land pirate is. :P
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Young whippersnapper doesn't know what a land pirate is. :P
"Stand and deliver!" https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6qgogi
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"Stand and deliver!" https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6qgogi
Ha ha - I thought it was gonna be this:
https://youtu.be/4B2a6l6wM2k
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Ha ha - I thought it was gonna be this:
https://youtu.be/4B2a6l6wM2k
That works too :D (probably better)
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Ha ha - I thought it was gonna be this:
https://youtu.be/4B2a6l6wM2k
That's ok, I thought it was going to be this: https://youtu.be/OIh3nO6-V_A?t=36
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Asset (or "civil") forfeiture usually applies to cash and motor vehicles. Are you thinking of eminent domain?
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oklahoma-police-erad_us_57584060e4b0e39a28ac2083
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oklahoma-police-erad_us_57584060e4b0e39a28ac2083
Organized theft.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_michelle_malkin/lost_buried_burned_oklahoma_s_rape_kit_scandal
https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/michelle-malkin/michelle-malkin-lost-buried-burned-oklahomas-rape-kit-scandal
Oklahoma has a lot of law enforcement problems and it seems not much energy to fix them.
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Every so often a young, ideological politician or journalist starts making waves about some corruption issue here in Oklahoma. After a little noise making and promises of getting to the bottom of things the politicians go quiet, the journalists decide to explore other career opportunities elsewhere, stories disappear from website archives and things go back to normal.
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That's ok, I thought it was going to be this: https://youtu.be/OIh3nO6-V_A?t=36
That's ok, I thought it was going to be . . . uh . . . hold on a minute . . . dagnabbit, can't find it on YouTube.
The stagecoach robbery from The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. "Stand and deliver!"
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That's ok, I thought it was going to be . . . uh . . . hold on a minute . . . dagnabbit, can't find it on YouTube.
The stagecoach robbery from The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. "Stand and deliver!"
Well, even if that scene isn't out there, this one is worth some thread veer. :)
https://youtu.be/mejzuQ9kVbs
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Asset (or "civil") forfeiture usually applies to cash and motor vehicles. Are you thinking of eminent domain?
You may be behind the times, they've been using it to seize houses and such for quite a long time. Even Motels...
https://www.dailysignal.com/2015/05/07/after-having-his-motel-seized-by-the-government-victim-of-civil-asset-forfeiture-reflects-on-his-fight/
https://www.cnn.com/2014/09/03/us/philadelphia-drug-bust-house-seizure/index.html
https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/asset-forfeiture
etc...