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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MillCreek on February 25, 2019, 03:22:33 PM
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https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-media-says-putins-zircon-missiles-would-vaporize-5-us-targets-2019-2?utm_source=feedburner&%3Butm_medium=referral&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+%28Business+Insider%29&utm_content=FeedBurner+user+view
Although I have known this ever since moving up here, I am always glad to see that a military installation six miles from my house as the warhead flies is on the nuclear target priority list. The Jim Creek Naval Radio Station does the very low/extremely low frequency communication with submerged submarines, and the orders to launch the Tridents in the Pacific will be sent by Jim Creek.
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Assuming a 500 kiloton warhead similar to the P-700 Granit, six miles puts you just barely outside the overpressure radius at 1 psi, or probably* safe. Duck and cover when you see the flash!
*probably.
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From the article:
Tensions have been flaring between the US and Russia since the two countries walked away from the Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces Treaty, a Cold War-era nuclear arms agreement the NATO and the US have accused Russia of violating.
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It was during that speech that the president unveiled the Zircon missile, a hypersonic weapon he said was able to fly at nine times the speed of sound and strike targets 620 miles away
Are we to then believe that the Russians designed, tested, and fielded a hypersonic Intermediate Range Nuclear Missile in the months since we pulled out of the treaty?
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https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-media-says-putins-zircon-missiles-would-vaporize-5-us-targets-2019-2?utm_source=feedburner&%3Butm_medium=referral&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+%28Business+Insider%29&utm_content=FeedBurner+user+view
Although I have known this ever since moving up here, I am always glad to see that a military installation six miles from my house as the warhead flies is on the nuclear target priority list. The Jim Creek Naval Radio Station does the very low/extremely low frequency communication with submerged submarines, and the orders to launch the Tridents in the Pacific will be sent by Jim Creek.
I wonder if they use the buried low frequency submarine antenna located near Boone, IA to communicate.
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I'm pretty sure if it gets that far, we're all pretty much screwed.
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I'm pretty sure if it gets that far, we're all pretty much screwed.
Yeah. It's gonna be complete assured destruction. Let alone the "mutual."
Welcome to the duck and cover days of my yout'... like others around here as old as I am.
I said it before, and I'll repeat it. I wish there were some way to reach a rapprochement with the Russkies. They're more like us except for the politics than any other culture in that area.
Think "Caucasus Mountains."
On the other hand, the way our culture seems to be moving it may not be long before there's no difference ay-tall enny-how.
Terry, 230RN
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Yeah. It's gonna be complete assured destruction. Let alone the "mutual."
Welcome to the duck and cover days of my yout'... like others around here as old as I am.
I said it before, and I'll repeat it. I wish there were some way to reach a rapprochement with the Russkies. They're more like us except for the politics than any other culture in that area.
On the other hand, the way our culture seems to be moving it may not be long before there's no difference ay-tall enny-how.
Terry, 230RN
That's what Trump was going to do until Hillary did the russia, Russia, RUSSIA bushwa song and dance. Once the MSM grabbed that narrative, anything Trump would have tried to do with regards to rapprochement with Russia, would have brought forth howls of "TRAITOR !!!!" and "HE'S CLEARLY A RUSSIAN AGENT !!!" Trump wanted to work with Putin to come to an agreement with Russia and Assad about Syria and destroying ISIS. But he couldn't because of the aforementioned and Mueller.
Had Trump been able to get a deal on Syria, then he could have gone on to forming better relations overall with Russia.
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https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/obscure-snohomish-county-navy-radio-station-named-as-top-russian-target/
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On a related note
Man Who Buried 42 School Buses To Make Huge Doomsday Shelter Is Finally Showing People The Inside
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A-4W0k6xBA
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I'm pretty sure if it gets that far, we're all pretty much screwed.
Wasn't Wisconsin supposed to be a network of low frequency naval antennas at one time?
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Wasn't Wisconsin supposed to be a network of low frequency naval antennas at one time?
Yes: the Clam Lake project. https://ss.sites.mtu.edu/mhugl/2015/10/11/clam-lake-wi-elf-transmitter/
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At Mach 9, do they even need an explosive charge?
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At Mach 9, do they even need an explosive charge?
Dunno. Let's find out together:
KE=1/2 mv2
Speed of sound at sea level is ~344m/s
The Zircon's mass is not readily available but it's a cruise missile so not crazy heavy. The 3M-54 Kalibr antiship cruise missile (which uses the same vertical launch system) is between 1300kg and 2300kg depending on variant. So let's estimate 2000kg.
KE= 1/2 *2000* (9*344)2
=1000*30962
=9,585,216,000 Joules.
1 joule =2.39 × 10-13 kiloton of tnt
So KE of the missile is approx .002 kiloton.(neglecting that a bunch of that mass was probably fuel, and so not there on impact)
So yes, needs a warhead.
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Dunno. Let's find out together:
KE=1/2 mv2
Speed of sound at sea level is ~344m/s
The Zircon's mass is not readily available but it's a cruise missile so not crazy heavy. The 3M-54 Kalibr antiship cruise missile (which uses the same vertical launch system) is between 1300kg and 2300kg depending on variant. So let's estimate 2000kg.
KE= 1/2 *2000* (9*344)2
=1000*30962
=9,585,216,000 Joules.
1 joule =2.39 × 10-13 kiloton of tnt
So KE of the missile is approx .002 kiloton.(neglecting that a bunch of that mass was probably fuel, and so not there on impact)
So yes, needs a warhead.
Drat. But still, 2 tons of TNT equivalent... if I didn't lose my decimal place somewhere.
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It wasn't that long ago that we were testing our own hypersonic missile. I haven't heard much about it recently.
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It wasn't that long ago that we were testing our own hypersonic missile. I haven't heard much about it recently.
You might hear something after it gets a few miles past you.
(https://opentextbc.ca/physicstestbook2/wp-content/uploads/sites/211/2017/10/Figure_18_04_06a.jpg)
X-43 unmanned scramjet. Mach ~9.6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_X-43
https://youtu.be/IiBsD-cafH8