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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on April 19, 2019, 09:07:01 AM
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Interesting couple of stories out of NM:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-mexico-declares-state-of-emergency-over-influx-of-migrants-report
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-mexico-right-wing-militia-detains-migrants-at-gunpoint-until-border-patrol-arrives
From what I can tell, the NM Governor removed National Guard troops from the border because Trump, and now at least this one county is being overwhelmed by illegal border crossing.
Part of the "citizens taking matters into their own hands" solution appears to be stuff like the militia in the second link.
More of the same disconnect with progressives: It's not a problem because it's not in their backyard, and the people whose backyards it's in are "overreacting".
One thing I will note on the militia: While I understand people getting frustrated enough to take care of things themselves, I will say the same thing I say regarding LEOs - covering your face is not a good look if you are a good guy. Also names like "Viper" don't help perception.
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The militia guys should identify with medieval type names for the media.
Roger the protector
Loyal Sam
William the American
Faithful Joe of New Mexico
:P
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The militia guys should identify with medieval type names for the media.
Roger the protector
Loyal Sam
William the American
Faithful Joe of New Mexico
:P
Elric the Enchanter
Mordecai
Vlad the Impaler
Taking names from faux medieval science fiction/fantasy would be entirely appropriate, in my estimation.
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Taking names from faux medieval science fiction/fantasy would be entirely appropriate, in my estimation.
My name is Roger the Shrubber. I arrange, design, and sell shrubberies.
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My name is Roger the Shrubber. I arrange, design, and sell shrubberies.
NI!
I need an AR lower that says Ni! for SA and Ni! Ni! Ni! for FA
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If the <expletive> "authorities" were doing their <expletive> jobs, there wouldn't be any need for citizens to form a border militia.
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NI!
I need an AR lower that says Ni! for SA and Ni! Ni! Ni! for FA
"Safe", "Ni!" and "Ekke Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo Boing!"
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"Safe", "Ni!" and "Ekke Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo Boing!"
Even better.
Wish I had the money for a custom lower right now.
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Even more topic drift: saw one a while back that had "Safe" and "Fill your hands you son of a bitch" for the selector settings.
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"Safe", "Ni!" and "Ekke Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo Boing!"
I smell a group buy !!!
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Even more topic drift: saw one a while back that had "Safe" and "Fill your hands you son of a bitch" for the selector settings.
That would be even more awesome if it had "Bold Talk" for safe, and Fill Your Hands..." for fire.
The Google tells me York Arms offers those as a custom lower, but they are proud of them.
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http://www.yorkarms.com/receiver.html
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Custom lower that came into my local gun shop
Some may not consider this work safe
https://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x383/WLJohnson1/20170422_135100_zpshpvrwzm5.jpg
Let me know if this link works PB seems to acting dumber than usual today.
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https://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x383/WLJohnson1/20170422_135100_zpshpvrwzm5.jpg
Let me know if this link works PB seems to acting dumber than usual today.
Link works for me.
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"Safe""Shrubbery", "Ni!" and "Ekke Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo Boing!"
https://www.customardustcover.com/Custom-Engraved-AR15-Lower-Receiver--Premium-engraving-with-your-text-or-graphics_p_21.html
I don't know if they can do the selector.
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Can’t link from the Reuter’s article but it appears that the FBI has arrested the leader of the group. Felon in possession of a weapon.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-militia/fbi-arrests-leader-of-armed-group-stopping-migrants-in-new-mexico-idUSKCN1RW0O5
No mention of the what/when regarding the details of the felony conviction.
I would think militias would have a similar component in their membership as the Ku Klux Klan ie Federal Agents.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-militia/fbi-arrests-leader-of-armed-group-stopping-migrants-in-new-mexico-idUSKCN1RW0O5
No mention of the what/when regarding the details of the felony conviction.
I would think militias would have a similar component in their membership as the Ku Klux Klan ie Federal Agents.
I find it interesting that the State of New Mexico declared an emergency over the influx if illegal immigrants, then went after (or encouraged the Feds to go after) the group that was trying to do something to alleviate the problem. A cynical person might almost conclude that the governor wants the problem rather than the solution.
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A cynical person might almost conclude that the governor wants the problem rather than the solution.
I'm still going with NIMBY. The governor, just like people in San Francisco, Portland, NYC, etc., lives away from the problem, even if it's in her state. It's easy for her to take the progressive stance from the governor's mansion, versus New Mexicans who are living on the border and that have to live with the consequences.
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I wonder about "felony," too. Could mean he got caught peeing in the alley after the bar closed or bouncing a check supposedly on purpose.
I'm sure most Lefties would like to see everything made a felony except for voter fraud.
Some famous writer made some comments on not being able to control an innocent man person.
I think you know which writer.
Terry, 230RN
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I'm still going with NIMBY. The governor, just like people in San Francisco, Portland, NYC, etc., lives away from the problem, even if it's in her state. It's easy for her to take the progressive stance from the governor's mansion, versus New Mexicans who are living on the border and that have to live with the consequences.
Yeah, people who don't have to personally deal with border issues don't seem to be particularly sympathetic to those who do. As an example, IIRC, during the Obama administration, there were a few stories about bullets from Mexico zipping across the border into some USA border town.
Most of the official angst about this seemed to center around their concerns that Americans might start shooting back across the border.
And . . . the media seems to be soft-pedaling an incident where Mexican military confronted and threatened US military in America.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mexican-troops-drew-weapons-on-american-soldiers-on-u-s-side-of-the-border (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mexican-troops-drew-weapons-on-american-soldiers-on-u-s-side-of-the-border)
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http://www.yorkarms.com/receiver.html
Second down in the Some Sample Lower Receivers section. >:D
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Not Nuevo Mexico, but in Tejas it seems a bunch of Mexican army dudes didn't understand that the Rio Grande is the border, and they committed an act of armed aggression against American soldiers on American soil: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mexican-troops-drew-weapons-on-american-soldiers-on-u-s-side-of-the-border
It's really far beyond the point where the Commander-in-Chief should be deploying Marine Expeditionary Units and tanks along the southern border.
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Not Nuevo Mexico, but in Tejas it seems a bunch of Mexican army dudes didn't understand that the Rio Grande is the border, and they committed an act of armed aggression against American soldiers on American soil: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mexican-troops-drew-weapons-on-american-soldiers-on-u-s-side-of-the-border
It's really far beyond the point where the Commander-in-Chief should be deploying Marine Expeditionary Units and tanks along the southern border.
Hasn't this happened before? I mean pretty much exactly the same thing, about a year ago.
I'm not familiar with MEUs, but I agree with tanks and attack helicopters. Mexican army dudes should have been taken prisoner (not that the two US solders were in a position to do that by themselves)
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It doesn't have to be MEUs. I'd settle for a couple of Army Ranger battalions and maybe a couple of SEAL teams. Maybe with some armored cavalry tossed into the mix.
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It doesn't have to be MEUs. I'd settle for a couple of Army Ranger battalions and maybe a couple of SEAL teams. Maybe with some armored cavalry tossed into the mix.
That sounds like a lot; I'm not sure that much is necessary. But these 2 soldiers needed some close air support, or something equivalent.
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That sounds like a lot; I'm not sure that much is necessary. But these 2 soldiers needed some close air support, or something equivalent.
It's a long border.
Yes, agreed on the close air support. Those Mexican soldados would have soiled their undies if an Apache or two had zeroed in on them.
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Mayor of Yuma, AZ declares emergency over number of illegals release by CBP unto town.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2019/04/16/yuma-mayor-doug-nicholls-declares-emergency-over-release-migrant-families/3492054002/
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It doesn't have to be MEUs. I'd settle for a couple of Army Ranger battalions and maybe a couple of SEAL teams. Maybe with some armored cavalry tossed into the mix.
Well someone hasn't checked the force structure since 'Nam. There are only three Ranger Bn's. They all belong to the 75th Regiment, and are a Light Infantry force. Not exactly the force needed for securing a long border. There are more SEAL teams, but less personnel overall. They are also not equipped to be a Border Patrol. You know who is trained and equipped to be a border patrol? The Border Patrol. How about we enable those guys to do their job instead of pouring more military personnel into the situation?
as an aside:
Why are you guys so ready to get in a shooting war with the Mexican Army? I promise US soldiers have gotten lost and accidently invaded other countries, and for the most part we don't start wars over it. In all the real issues over immigration at our southern border a lost Mexican Army squad is pretty damn low on the list of "*expletive deleted*it to get concerned over."
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aA an aside:
Why are you guys so ready to get in a shooting war with the Mexican Army? I promise US soldiers have gotten lost and accidently invaded other countries, and for the most part we don't start wars over it. In all the real issues over immigration at our southern border a lost Mexican Army squad is pretty damn low on the list of "*expletive deleted*it to get concerned over."
Because at this point I think it's the only thing that will actually have some affect on border security. I'd wager money that if those "lost" Mexican soldiers had just shot our guys the story would get memory holed and nothing would change because powerful people don't want it to change.
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Annnnnnnnnd ... the spin is in.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/us-military-rules-under-review-after-soldiers-surrendered-pistol-to-mexican-troops-on-american-soil
"That area of the border is kind of confusing," a second NORTHCOM official told the Examiner. "It may have been difficult for them [Mexican forces] to know if they didn't know the area as well or were new or something. I don't think — it definitely wasn't trying to overtake the U.S."
Much of the physical barrier along the U.S.-Mexico border does not sit on the international boundary and is located a few dozen to a few hundred feet north of it.
In areas such as southwestern Arizona and eastern Texas, rivers serve as the official border, but in other regions, it can be more difficult to determine the official line in the sand.
No, Mr. NORTHCOM official, that area of the border is NOT confusing. Clint, Texas, is southeast of El Paso. At that point, the Rio Grande river is the border. The only confusing thing is why Mexican soldiers thought they had any reason or right to be on the American side of the river. Secondarily, why is it that you don't know that the Rio Grande is the border at that location?
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Annnnnnnnnd ... the spin is in.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/us-military-rules-under-review-after-soldiers-surrendered-pistol-to-mexican-troops-on-american-soil
No, Mr. NORTHCOM official, that area of the border is NOT confusing. Clint, Texas, is southeast of El Paso. At that point, the Rio Grande river is the border. The only confusing thing is why Mexican soldiers thought they had any reason or right to be on the American side of the river. Secondarily, why is it that you don't know that the Rio Grande is the border at that location?
Actually, no Mr Connecticut Yankee. The course of the Rio Grande has changed over the years, hence what was the border (the center of the River) is now not the center of the River.
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It is at Clint, Texas.
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/mexican-soldiers-detain-american-soldiers-u-s-soil-government-response/
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Clint,+TX+79836/@31.5798234,-106.2613854,14z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x86e712d8773f6591:0xe79b9795fd6fcefb!8m2!3d31.592337!4d-106.2241449
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Meanwhile, the Vatican is throwing a half million dollars into supporting Mexican churches who are aiding the caravaners.
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2019-04/pope-francis-central-american-migrants-aid-peters-pence.html
The Vatican seems to be trying to portray the United States as the evil entity in all this, because we foolishly and unreasonably ask that our borders and our national laws be respected. How terrible!
In particular, the aid is intended to assist the more than 75,000 people who arrived in Mexico in 2018, in six migrant caravans. “All these people were stranded, unable to enter the United States, without a home or livelihood”, the statement reads. “The Catholic Church hosts thousands of them in hotels within the dioceses or religious congregations, providing basic necessities, from housing to clothing”.
Yeah, maybe that's because they left whatever homes and livelihoods they had to join the caravans, hoping to get on board the gravy train en los Estados Unidos.