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Title: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: Ben on June 19, 2019, 07:37:52 PM
Anyone else keeping up with this? People (mostly Americans) are dying at Dominican Republic resorts. I just saw the DR gov is blasting it all as "fake news", but there sure are a lot of deaths.

One of the more plausible explanations I read was poisoning via improperly produced bootleg alcohol. I'm not sure, but it sounded like they were talking about the bootleg booze being put in brand name bottles (or possibly "Jak Daniels" or similar bottles) stocked at the various resorts.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: bedlamite on June 19, 2019, 08:47:55 PM
Two possibilities. Either they are covering up deaths of locals, or someone doesn't like the USA.

I'm thinking they are going to lose tourism dollars.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: grampster on June 19, 2019, 09:51:31 PM
Just another reason I vacation in America.  I want warm, I go to the Keys or the Gulf coast of fl.  I want cold, I stay home.  Simple.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: Ben on June 19, 2019, 10:06:59 PM
Also, there may be more going on than just the possible alcohol deaths. I now remember some woman was beaten to within an inch of her life by someone in a resort staff uniform, and DR (either the resort or in cahoots with the gov) tried to keep it quiet, offering her compensation. They then reneged and she went public. So if not American haters, certainly tourist haters.

I've never been so may be talking out of my ass, but I can think of a half dozen Caribbean locations I would choose over DR for vacation. In fact I've done Caribbean vacations a few times, and DR never entered my mind.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: Northwoods on June 19, 2019, 11:11:40 PM
Better DR than Haiti, but that is damning with faint praise, apparently.

Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: HankB on June 19, 2019, 11:51:11 PM
A good friend of mine went to medical school in the DR. Medical students often went out on field trips off campus to provide first aid and such to the people there.

Initially, his reaction was "These poor people, they have so little, and need so much . . . "

After a month or two, he was saying "It's frustrating to get these people to help themselves - you tell them over and over what they need to do to take care of themselves, and they don't do it . . . "

A few months later, he was writing "These <expletive> lazy <racial perjorative> are shiftless and <expletive> stupid, they think everyone else ought to be working for them, the lazy <expletives> . . . "

So . . . I don't see myself ever going to the DR on a pleasure cruise.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 19, 2019, 11:57:50 PM

One of the more plausible explanations I read was poisoning via improperly produced bootleg alcohol. I'm not sure, but it sounded like they were talking about the bootleg booze being put in brand name bottles (or possibly "Jak Daniels" or similar bottles) stocked at the various resorts.

Wasn't that an issue at a couple of Mexican resorts a year or two back?
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: MillCreek on June 20, 2019, 07:24:57 AM
A good friend of mine went to medical school in the DR. Medical students often went out on field trips off campus to provide first aid and such to the people there.

Initially, his reaction was "These poor people, they have so little, and need so much . . . "

After a month or two, he was saying "It's frustrating to get these people to help themselves - you tell them over and over what they need to do to take care of themselves, and they don't do it . . . "

A few months later, he was writing "These <expletive> lazy <racial perjorative> are shiftless and <expletive> stupid, they think everyone else ought to be working for them, the lazy <expletives> . . . "

So . . . I don't see myself ever going to the DR on a pleasure cruise.

If your friend ended up practicing in the United States, there are many areas of the country where he will be saying the exact same things about white people born right here.  Universal across the world, I suppose.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: dogmush on June 20, 2019, 07:31:41 AM
The Army sent me to DR back in 2004.  I had a couple days to wander around and get drunk, and talk with the locals.

The best thing to be said about being in the DR is that at least it's not Haiti.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: Ben on June 20, 2019, 08:49:32 AM
The best thing to be said about being in the DR is that at least it's not Haiti.

One of the reasons I never considered DR is its border with Haiti. Ya gotta figure there's some bleed-over there.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: brimic on June 20, 2019, 09:14:53 AM
I spent a week in neighboring jamaica once and I have zero interest in ever going to a carribean island again.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: Ben on June 20, 2019, 10:20:48 AM
I spent a week in neighboring jamaica once and I have zero interest in ever going to a carribean island again.

There are actually some beautiful, clean, and safe places to visit. I loved the Caymans, especially Cayman Brac. It has been years, so I don't know what it's like now, but when I was there, it pretty much matched the travel brochure propaganda, and the diving was spectacular.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: brimic on June 20, 2019, 11:18:00 AM
There are actually some beautiful, clean, and safe places to visit. I loved the Caymans, especially Cayman Brac. It has been years, so I don't know what it's like now, but when I was there, it pretty much matched the travel brochure propaganda, and the diving was spectacular.

Admittedly, the golf course was really nice spectacular.
https://rosehall.com/white-witch?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjN_stq344gIVC5SzCh07Lg3REAAYASAAEgJxlvD_BwE
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: dogmush on June 20, 2019, 11:23:48 AM
I spent a week in neighboring jamaica once and I have zero interest in ever going to a carribean island again.
The Cayman's and the Virgin Islands (both British and ours) are pretty nice.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: 230RN on June 20, 2019, 11:26:46 AM
Admittedly, the golf course was really nice spectacular.
https://rosehall.com/white-witch?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjN_stq344gIVC5SzCh07Lg3REAAYASAAEgJxlvD_BwE

Mannnn, that's some water hazard.

(Sure is pretty.)
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: Fly320s on June 20, 2019, 11:55:56 AM
All of the USVI and BVI are nice to visit, although they are expensive.

I also like the Caymans, St. Marteen (the Dutch side.  French side is kinda crappy), and pretty much all of the leeward and winward islands.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: bedlamite on June 20, 2019, 11:58:43 AM
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Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: WLJ on June 20, 2019, 01:28:57 PM
Welcome to the Hotel Hillary Clinton
'Relax' said the night man,
'We are programmed to receive.
You can check out any time you like,
But you can never leave!'
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: HankB on June 20, 2019, 02:37:13 PM
I spent a week in neighboring jamaica once and I have zero interest in ever going to a carribean island again.
Cousins went to Jamaica once and got tired of locals offering (almost demanding) to braid their hair, locals offering (almost demanding) they buy drugs, locals rushing to get in front of their camera when they were  sightseeing so they could demand a fee for "taking their picture without permission" whether they were in the shot or not, and all sorts of other assorted cr@p like that.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: brimic on June 20, 2019, 03:48:05 PM
Cousins went to Jamaica once and got tired of locals offering (almost demanding) to braid their hair, locals offering (almost demanding) they buy drugs, locals rushing to get in front of their camera when they were  sightseeing so they could demand a fee for "taking their picture without permission" whether they were in the shot or not, and all sorts of other assorted cr@p like that.

I went there as part of a wedding party. It felt like everyone was trying to con you out of something.
Worst was the resort.
One day I was left a note from the maid (I had put up a 'do not disturb' sign on my door that day too), saying she found my safe open, so she locked it down and I needed to call security to have it opened.
Security showed up, opened the safe, and went through everything in the safe, laying the items on the bed as he went.
My uncle, stopped by while this was happening and asked me what was going on, when I explained the situation to him, he told me they pulled the same thing with his daughter (bride) and his new son-in-law an hour earlier.  He then yelled at the security guard "Hey, you are the SOB who tried to sell me weed last night!" I narrowly stopped a fight from happening.

The thinking was that the resort staff knew that people came to jamaica to buy ganja, and it was illegal to do so. They could pull a scam by locking people's safes down and confiscating he contents if they found any contraban, and a foreigner would have no recourse.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: grampster on June 20, 2019, 06:08:33 PM
I don't understand why anyone would want to go into the 3rd world Caribbean when we have the Florida Keys that has great weather, great water, great sights, great food, great fishing and diving, great music and booze.  You don't even need to have a passport to get into the Conch Republic either.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: Jamisjockey on June 20, 2019, 06:08:49 PM
No *expletive deleted*s given.  Earned a free trip in November to Secrets and I’m going.  Might stay out of the mini bar though...
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: Fly320s on June 20, 2019, 09:45:03 PM
I don't understand why anyone would want to go into the 3rd world Caribbean when we have the Florida Keys that has great weather, great water, great sights, great food, great fishing and diving, great music and booze.  You don't even need to have a passport to get into the Conch Republic either.

Price and exotic location.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: makattak on June 21, 2019, 10:29:22 AM
If your friend ended up practicing in the United States, there are many areas of the country where he will be saying the exact same things about white people born right here.  Universal across the world, I suppose.

Dalrymple: Life at the Bottom.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: Jamisjockey on June 21, 2019, 10:42:40 AM
Panic!!!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox2now.com/2019/06/20/woman-on-honeymoon-becomes-10th-u-s-tourist-to-die-after-dominican-republic-vacation/amp/
10 in a year.  And we know several of them were in poor health.
Keeping a hairy eyeball on it.  Not canceling our plans.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: WLJ on June 21, 2019, 10:43:32 AM
Panic!!!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox2now.com/2019/06/20/woman-on-honeymoon-becomes-10th-u-s-tourist-to-die-after-dominican-republic-vacation/amp/
10 in a year.  And we know several of them were in poor health.
Keeping a hairy eyeball on it.  Not canceling our plans.

10? That's a weekend in Chicago
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: Ben on June 21, 2019, 10:50:45 AM
And we know several of them were in poor health.

There appears to be conflicting informaton on that.

Quote
In the Dominican Republic, the frequency and manner of the deaths are particularly concerning because most of the victims were very healthy before their trip.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/toxicologist-dominican-republic-deahts

While still a statistically low number compared to overall tourist numbers, the similar manner of death and similar locations do a raise an eyebrow.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: Ron on June 21, 2019, 10:56:18 AM
If your friend ended up practicing in the United States, there are many areas of the country where he will be saying the exact same things about white people born right here.  Universal across the world, I suppose.

Pockets of poor, low IQ, low impulse control people exist in the USA yes.

Your pointing that out is both pointless and meaningless.

Around the world there are whole countries comprised of those type of folks, like Haiti or the DR.

The DR and the USA are as different as two countries could possibly be.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: Jamisjockey on June 21, 2019, 06:44:23 PM
There appears to be conflicting informaton on that.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/toxicologist-dominican-republic-deahts

While still a statistically low number compared to overall tourist numbers, the similar manner of death and similar locations do a raise an eyebrow.

Age and medications with a couple of them makes me suspect.
Bad booze wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: Viking on June 22, 2019, 12:40:14 AM
Dalrymple: Life at the Bottom.
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: WLJ on June 24, 2019, 01:46:56 PM
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Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: grampster on June 24, 2019, 03:20:18 PM
Up to 12 dead now.
Title: Re: They're Dropping Like Flies in the Dominican Republic
Post by: Ron on June 28, 2019, 08:55:43 AM
I hope you decide to go someplace else Jamis.

Something odd and very bad is going on down there.

Why vacation someplace where you are going to have a built in level of background anxiety?

Vacations are meant to be an escape from pressures anxiety etc.