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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Fly320s on August 03, 2019, 02:46:15 PM
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Still active as of now.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/el-paso-active-shooter-walmart-mall
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Sounds like it is over, but police are still treating wounded and pulling everything together. I base that on the video of people standing around in Walmart near the door. I guess there will be a press conference at some point.
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They're saying 15-20 people shot
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21 yr old man arrested.
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It's bad
Nearly two dozen people were reportedly killed and at least 22 others, including a four-month-old baby, were wounded on Saturday after a gunman reportedly opened fire inside a Walmart in El Paso.
Reports on social media indicate that a manifesto written by the alleged shooter has been making the rounds on various web sites.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7317905/El-Paso-police-say-theres-active-shooter-local-mall.html
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Anybody still think nothing's going on?
[tinfoil]
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Semi-related:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/texas-lt-gov-tells-antifa-to-stay-out-of-el-paso-after-walmart-shooting
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https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/breaking-el-paso-police-report-gunfire-in-multiple-locations-no-doubt-there-were-multiple-shooters/
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBEgloZXkAAVLWI?format=jpg&name=small)
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Nice to see he had the forethought to wear ear protection.
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Anna Giaritelli
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@Anna_Giaritelli
A law enforcement official in El Paso told me the Walmart shooter is in custody. Patrick Crusius of Dallas. Just turned 21 years old this week.
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Could be BS, don't know
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/active-shooter-el-paso-walmart-cielo-vista/
Scott Stedman @ScottMStedman
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Replying to @ScottMStedman
I can report that the FBI is investigating this manifesto and taking it seriously.
Scott Stedman @ScottMStedman
BREAKING: FBI investigating possible manifesto from the shooter which starts with the following two sentences: "In general, I support the Christchurch shooter and his manifesto. This attack is a response to the
Hispanic invasion of Texas"
730
3:04 PM - Aug 3, 2019
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Looks like an AK again
You have to click on the photo to full size it and then go to the 2nd photo to see the gun clearly..
https://twitter.com/OfficialJoelF/status/1157742424548106240/photo/1
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Possession of any weapon at Simon malls, whether concealed or displayed openly, is in violation of mall policy. This policy is intended first and foremost to maintain a safe, secure and comfortable environment at our malls, which has always been our top priority, and to avoid any situation that could potentially place at risk the safety of our shoppers and employees.
Simon malls are private property, and like virtually every other facility in the community that is accessible by the public, ownership/management has the right to prohibit the possession of weapons, both displayed or concealed, other than licensed weapons carried by law enforcement personnel.
Julie Rigby – Longview Mall Manager”
https://crimeresearch.org/2019/08/yet-another-shooting-at-a-gun-free-zone-el-paso-shooting-at-cielo-vista-mall-is-apparently-in-a-place-that-banned-permitted-concealed-handguns/?fbclid=IwAR0I3liBoMBvaPSELashG3bfThoZQPK96dZxwqnRG7BE7u3L2846i22d8iw
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My usual questions:
1. Was it a gun-free zone? (Being a Walmart, in Texas, I'll guess probably no -- for a change)
Is the Walmart part of the mall? The aerial photo makes it appear that the walmart is a typical, free-standing Walmart store.
2. Was the gun purchased legally?
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Assault Weapons (as defined by politicians) Import Ban being renewed/strengthened in 3...2....1! And once the are buoyed by that success they will be going after all *Assault Weapons*.
bob
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Possession of any weapon at Simon malls, whether concealed or displayed openly, is in violation of mall policy. This policy is intended first and foremost to maintain a safe, secure and comfortable environment at our malls, which has always been our top priority, and to avoid any situation that could potentially place at risk the safety of our shoppers and employees.
Simon malls are private property, and like virtually every other facility in the community that is accessible by the public, ownership/management has the right to prohibit the possession of weapons, both displayed or concealed, other than licensed weapons carried by law enforcement personnel.
Julie Rigby – Longview Mall Manager”
https://crimeresearch.org/2019/08/yet-another-shooting-at-a-gun-free-zone-el-paso-shooting-at-cielo-vista-mall-is-apparently-in-a-place-that-banned-permitted-concealed-handguns/?fbclid=IwAR0I3liBoMBvaPSELashG3bfThoZQPK96dZxwqnRG7BE7u3L2846i22d8iw
Guess he didn't get the memo
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Given that this turd left a manifesto decrying the "Hispanic invasion", this event is likely to gain serious traction among the usual suspects. What's worse, it's likely to push some of the fence sitting congress critters over to the other side. Not good.
And of course, it will be Trump's fault.
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The manifesto, and it's GOING to feed the left. But..... he has point, on the immigrants and the democrats party issue.
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/7e1363f7757dbaa81b0be29cedfb854dbdd7c3559b1c5afa0e15d63402d39934.pdf
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/patrick-crusius-manifesto-el-paso-shooting/
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That's absolutely going to feed the left. The only thing he puts in it that the right can use is his reasoning for a defenseless target, i.e, a no gun zone. His talk about the Founding Fathers giving him the tools to do what he did, via the 2nd, will be eaten up by the left.
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And of course, it will be Trump's fault.
Every mass shooting in the past two and a half years has been Trump's fault.
I count 34 mass shooting during Obama's two terms in office. 244 people killed, 586 people injured/wounded. Why aren't those Obama's fault?
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Every mass shooting in the past two and a half years has been Trump's fault.
I count 34 mass shooting during Obama's two terms in office. 244 people killed, 586 people injured/wounded. Why aren't those Obama's fault?
Those numbers are just a holiday weekend in chicago
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UPDATE: 20 Dead, 26 Wounded in El Paso Walmart Mass Shooting
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/update-20-dead-26-wounded-in-el-paso-walmart-mass-shooting/
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[tinfoil]
It wasn't too long ago that I would not have thought the left capable of doing such things and trying to make I look like the other side is to blame.
This just checks too many boxes.
The last one didn't get the legs they needed.
I hope I'm wrong and this is just another nutjob off his psychiatric meds.
[tinfoil]
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any current copies of his manifesto available?
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any current copies of his manifesto available?
https://drudgereport.com/flashtx.htm
Copy it now before it disappears
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This was in my Scroll of Faces a few weeks back. I'd say the guy called it.
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I am not sure how they would do something like this, but if they could, I think there are a number of the power elite in D.C. who would do it without hesitation if they thought it benefited them or their group.
(edit: I'll just say I think setting this up is unlikely, but I think politicians won't hesitate to try to use it for their own gain.)
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Now Mexico wants to sue. Interesting, considering the way some Americans have died on the cartel-infested side of the border.
https://twitchy.com/jacobb-38/2019/08/04/mexico-threatens-to-sue-the-u-s-over-the-el-paso-shooting-and-nbc-is-all-over-it/
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Now Mexico wants to sue. Interesting, considering the way some Americans have died on the cartel-infested side of the border.
https://twitchy.com/jacobb-38/2019/08/04/mexico-threatens-to-sue-the-u-s-over-the-el-paso-shooting-and-nbc-is-all-over-it/
Someone needs to remind Mexico how many American citizens have died on their side of the border. Bet it's way way way more than three
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In fact, Mexico had the most by far: 196 Americans died just south of the border last year. Most of them were murdered with 67 homicides. 66 died from some sort of accident, and 23 people drowned.
By the numbers: Mexico was deadliest for U.S. tourists in 2018
https://www.khou.com/article/news/by-the-numbers-mexico-was-deadliest-for-us-tourists-in-2018/285-fa15908c-999c-4ead-9f0e-1095fe02e6ab
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Another crazy reaps the benefit of a gun-free zone. There is definitely a correlation between gun control and mass murder. How is it that we can see it but the gun controllers can't? Oh, wait ...
These shooters seem to be useful idiots aiding the gun control crowd by supplying "excuses."
Woody
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Reality is bad enough but that doesn't stop them from unloading this kind of nosense
No, There Haven’t Been 251 Mass Shootings This Year
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/no-there-havent-been-251-mass-shootings-this-year/
Update, 15 minutes later: According to initial reports, there have now been 3 mass shootings in August – Dayton being #251 of the year.
https://twitter.com/GunDeaths/status/1157901252757319680
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No, There Haven’t Been 251 Mass Shootings This Year
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/no-there-havent-been-251-mass-shootings-this-year/
Update, 15 minutes later: According to initial reports, there have now been 3 mass shootings in August – Dayton being #251 of the year.
https://twitter.com/GunDeaths/status/1157901252757319680
Dayton is number 14 for 2019 on my list. I have no idea what the other 237 were ...
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Dayton is number 14 for 2019 on my list. I have no idea what the other 237 were
Here is a unbiased look from a non-profit..... you know how that goes.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/?ftag=MSF0951a18
bob
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Here is a unbiased look from a non-profit..... you know how that goes.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/?ftag=MSF0951a18
From their web site:
What GVA considers Gun Violence...and why
Our definition of gun violence is intended to be fully inclusionary of disparate elements of gun related incidents...in that, all types of shootings are included, whether OIS, accidental, children shooting themselves, murders, armed robberies, familicide, mass shootings, DGU, Home Invasions, drivebys and everything else. We derive our definitions from CDC, FBI, NIH, and other organizations who have established standards.
Only by being totally inclusionary in our definitions is our data accurate, allowing the researcher to decide which parts of the complete dataset they need for their work. Our goal is to provide a complete picture of impact. Users then glean what they need from the whole. We intentionally have no GVA POV on the subject... but put in more real terms, GVA is against gun violence, not guns or gun owners and in that we strive to provide an unbiased, complete view of the subject.
To summarize -- if anyone is killed or injured and a firearm was in any way involved -- it's an incident of gun "violence."
A friend of mine is an amateur cabinetmaker (and a good one). Many years ago he sliced off the tip of a finger with his table saw. By this organization's standards, that should have been classified as an incident of table saw violence.
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This was in my Scroll of Faces a few weeks back. I'd say the guy called it.
not to long ago i would have no trouble disbelieving - that it was mere coincidence ...
its weird
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What's that old saying? " Once is bad luck, twice is unfortunate coincidence, three times is enemy action. " Or something like that.
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Given Trump's high priority on immigration, I can easily see him doing "the art of the deal" and trading stricter gun control for stricter immigration and border reform:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-suggests-linking-background-check-legislation-with-immigration-reform-in-wake-of-shootings
"Stricter background check legislation" is pretty nebulous, and could end up being something sucky or something relatively innocuous. Time will tell, but given election cycle timing and other factors, I don't see the gun control push fading away as it has in other recent and similar scenarios.
Though again, how many people died in Chicago this weekend, and where was this legislation when Obama and dems had a majority and could have "done something"?
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Though again, how many people died in Chicago this weekend, and where was this legislation when Obama and dems had a majority and could have "done something"?
There's a website for that very thing
https://heyjackass.com/
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From their web site:
To summarize -- if anyone is killed or injured and a firearm was in any way involved -- it's an incident of gun "violence."
A friend of mine is an amateur cabinetmaker (and a good one). Many years ago he sliced off the tip of a finger with his table saw. By this organization's standards, that should have been classified as an incident of table saw violence.
More than likely there was a gun in the house so that would be gun violence.
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Given Trump's high priority on immigration, I can easily see him doing "the art of the deal" and trading stricter gun control for stricter immigration and border reform.
One can hope that Trump realizes the Dems would never deal on immigration reform with him, so further gun control legislation can die on the vine. Maybe that's his plan.
Or maybe he'll cave and sign an AWB and most everything else the idiots in Congress send his way. Trump is quite wishy-washy on firearms, and his son's pro-gun influence in that regard can go only so far.
I really don't expect the Stupid Party to put up much of a fight against more legislation since elections are coming up. Republicans often think that if they support the opposition's legislation, that will translate into support at the ballot box from some of that same opposition. It's another reason they are called "The Stupid Party".
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Things that make you think... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1155971069783621634
His manifesto also spoke out against capitalism and for enviromentalism. The way it reads is like it was trying to make sure to hit certain points to create a narrative to talk about a little to convenient, things like specific types of ammunition, the guns to be used, "racism", etc.
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Good grief
Angry subscribers forced The New York Times to tweak today's top headline because it was apparently too kind to President Trump.
The initial headline read, "Trump Urges Unity vs. Racism" and went into detail about the president's response to the mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio. Upon seeing it, some readers said, how dare they.
According to the Times, the first headline was penned by "some poor copy editor on the night shift trying sum up one of the most complicated issues of our time (race, violence, murder, immigration, bigotry, presidential history) in four words.”
They admit it was "bad."
New York Times Returns to the Presses to Change Trump, El Paso Headline After Backlash
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2019/08/06/nyt-keeps-couldnt-decide-on-todays-el-paso-headline-n2551243
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It's blatantly obvious that he's just trolling with that manifesto. It's exactly the kind of think an 8chaner would create for teh lulz. And it's working, which means it is in fact win.
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Why stop at blaming Trump?
We need to call it out: Fox News is a hate-for-profit machine that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists. https://t.co/f1QkIE7sbB
— Elizabeth Warren (@ewarren) August 4, 2019
Sen. Warren Blames Fox News for This Weekend's Mass Shootings
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2019/08/06/sen-warren-blames-fox-news-for-this-weekends-mass-shootings-n2551159
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Why stop at blaming Trump?
Sen. Warren Blames Fox News for This Weekend's Mass Shootings
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2019/08/06/sen-warren-blames-fox-news-for-this-weekends-mass-shootings-n2551159
I heard a clip from yesterday of O'Rourke calling Trump a racist and white supremacist. Now he and others are bashing the NYT for not being a complete Democrat partisan.
Democratic presidential candidate Beto O'Rourke called it "unbelievable" that the Times would steep so low, while progressive Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) summed it up. The newspaper just cannot give Trump an inch in this debate.
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I heard a clip from yesterday of O'Rourke calling Trump a racist and white supremacist. Now he and others are bashing the NYT for not being a complete Democrat partisan.
Yeah, posted a link to that in #42.
In a nutshell they're saying we must say Trump is 100% wrong even when we know he's 100% right on something. Orwell would be proud.
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Herrrrre's AOC!
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) late Monday said that President Trump's divisive rhetoric on immigration was "directly responsible" for the mass shooting in El Paso, Texas that left at least 22 people dead. The freshman New York congresswoman made the comments while speaking at a vigil in Brooklyn for the victims of the shooting in El Paso and Dayton, Ohio, according to the New York Daily News. “I’m tired of the questioning if the president is racist. He is,” Ocasio-Cortez told a crowd of about 500 people, the newspaper noted.
Demagogic Clown: AOC Declares Trump 'Directly Responsible' for El Paso Mass Shooting
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2019/08/06/demagogic-clown-aoc-declares-trump-directly-responsible-for-el-paso-mass-shooting-n2551246
500 people? Bet 490 of that was media
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Herrrrre's AOC!
Demagogic Clown: AOC Declares Trump 'Directly Responsible' for El Paso Mass Shooting
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2019/08/06/demagogic-clown-aoc-declares-trump-directly-responsible-for-el-paso-mass-shooting-n2551246
500 people? Bet 490 of that was media
What about the Antifa guy who was killed trying to attack an ICE building who was quoting AOC about "concentration camps" on the border? Is she directly responsible for that death?
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What about the Antifa guy who was killed trying to attack an ICE building who was quoting AOC about "concentration camps" on the border? Is she directly responsible for that death?
Trump's fault. If he hadn't built the concentration camps she wouldn't have had anything to blather about.
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https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/goa-no-texan-should-have-to-choose-between-following-the-law-and-carrying-a-gun/
Rachel Malone is the Texas Director for Gun Owners of America. I like how she frames this shooting in a way to support Constitutional Carry. Turn the usual anti-gun arguments around.
The barbaric attack in El Paso highlights the truth that Texas’ permitting system for gun carry harms minorities disproportionately, adding unnecessary barriers that do not increase safety but only decrease Texans’ ability to carry a firearm as an effective defense tool. Permit requirements do not keep criminals from committing despicable crimes; they only add barriers for law-abiding citizens who want to save their own lives.
Texas’ general ban on carrying handguns for self defense arose out of racism. The permitting system continues to propagate elitist attitudes. It’s time for us to finally get rid of all such racist laws that only hurt law-abiding, peaceful citizens.
No Texan should have to choose between following the law or carrying a handgun to save his life. No Texan should have to ask the government’s permission to carry a tool to protect herself and her child. Gun Owners of America stands for policies that increase safety without decreasing freedom.
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The BBC educates us on the rates of fire of various firearms:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/08/06/how-is-this-real-bbc-news-publishes-chart-of-how-fast-weapons-can-fire-and-people-have-questions/
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Trump's fault. If he hadn't built the concentration camps she wouldn't have had anything to blather about.
I'm sure she would find something
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I still figure that eventually it will come out that these are all lefty or an-com incels. Key word incels, but that's obvious from pictures.
All being, Wrong turn Clyde, the ICE failure, Gilroy, El Paso, and Dayton.
Now will we hear that?
I got no probs tying this to Trump. As long as Obama wears Sandy Hook, the left claims Gifford's and Scalise shooters and all these other whackadoodles. I'll hold my breath.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4sH726MmiU
The AK Guy put out a video. Makes a few good points I didn't see elsewhere. Mainly, are guns the worst tools these wackos could choose? Instead of something else like a truck, arson, explosives, etc? Will getting rid of the guns stop these attacks or just make the wackos switch over to other tools?
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The BBC educates us on the rates of fire of various firearms:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/08/06/how-is-this-real-bbc-news-publishes-chart-of-how-fast-weapons-can-fire-and-people-have-questions/
My favorite part is the "Colt Model 70" and accompanying graphic.
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My favorite part is the "Colt Model 70" and accompanying graphic.
I assumed there was some old Colt handgun I didn't know about similar to some of the S&W 9mm handguns. It didn't occur to me they could be referring to a Series 70 1911. I guess for the people they are targeting with that graphic, they could have said Winchester model 70.
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The selective reporting by the media of "mass shootings".
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/274538/51-mass-shooters-2019-were-black-only-29-were-daniel-greenfield?utm_source=amerika.org&ito=amerika.org&fbclid=IwAR3IxlheRSM5f9SDmmH2Qvl_DyM24rwSWK9Wz3gHH79AAn2FqcErZ3u5qqU
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Armed Man Walks Into a Springfield, MO Walmart and Begins Filming Himself
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/armed-man-walks-into-a-springfield-mo-walmart-and-begins-filming-himself/
Either a left wing wacko trying to make a point or a right wing wacko doing the same. Either way this doesn't help one bit.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/2239ea21bffd356c8e4a81ce5191eadf/tenor.gif?itemid=12070477)
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The store manager overreacted. I can see calling police, but pulling the fire alarm could potentially lead to worse circumstances if the man actually was interested in shooting people.
And he wasn't shooting people so acting like he was about to is a bit over the top. The guy in El Paso started shooting in the parking lot.
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And now back to asking what sort of insensitive wacko this guy was. =)
Also, how many firemen go around armed? Not something I ever thought about.
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The store manager overreacted. I can see calling police, but pulling the fire alarm could potentially lead to worse circumstances if the man actually was interested in shooting people.
And he wasn't shooting people so acting like he was about to is a bit over the top. The guy in El Paso started shooting in the parking lot.
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And now back to asking what sort of insensitive wacko this guy was. =)
Also, how many firemen go around armed? Not something I ever thought about.
I guess you get shot at enough times you make the decision to go armed. I know quite a few Firefighters and EMT/Paramedics that wear vests. If nothing else it helps protect the chest when granny pulls in front of your rig and you smack into her 1998 Olds at 45 mph.
bob
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People are on edge right now and the leftists are looking for any excuse. The visuals on this aren't good for our cause right now.
Just because you can do something doesn't always mean you should.
Right or wrong, just my opinion
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Somebody needs the *expletive deleted*it kicked out of them for being *expletive deleted*ing stupid. OCing a rifle at Walmart or Starbucks on a normal day makes you look like a whacko at best, at times like these it makes you dumber than *expletive deleted*ing dirt.