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Title: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: MillCreek on January 29, 2020, 09:24:53 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/dining/amy-klobuchar-hotdish.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

I had actually heard of and eaten hot dish before, thanks to neighbors from Minneapolis. Some of the variations described in the article sound pretty good.  You also see a ton of recipes for similar dishes out West in the LDS community church cookbooks.   
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: K Frame on January 29, 2020, 09:34:23 AM
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That's a hot no.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: MechAg94 on January 29, 2020, 09:53:23 AM
Like usual, the account filter doesn't hit everyone.  I was able to skim through it.  An article concerned about Klobuchar server Minnesota "hot dish" to Iowans who are accustomed to casseroles.  I don't care.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: 230RN on January 29, 2020, 10:17:15 AM
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“I’ve gotten good at the recipe,” she said. “I have seven kids, so I can cook.”

Terry drums fingers on table, waiting for someone to tackle that remark.

My favorite pot luck recipe used to be a bunch of cocktail franks immersed in lentil soup.  Very simple, very easy, well-received, delicious, but it never got me elected to public office.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 29, 2020, 12:58:42 PM
I thought hot dish just meant casserole.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: MikeB on January 29, 2020, 01:08:10 PM
Minnesota version of a cream of mushroom casserole? Or a substandard mimic of a Shepherds Pie?
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: charby on January 29, 2020, 04:36:17 PM
Pic looks like tater tot casserole.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 29, 2020, 05:16:25 PM
While I hate casserole, or most of them, with a burning, fiery passion, this recipe intrigues me. I think I'll try it.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: grampster on January 29, 2020, 07:15:24 PM
And here I thought we were gonna be treated to some hot nekkid women. :facepalm: :angel:
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 29, 2020, 09:58:07 PM
I thought hot dish just meant casserole.

Considering the variety of recipes and ingredients that seem to qualify as "hot dish," I'd say you are correct.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: dogmush on January 30, 2020, 12:34:38 AM
And here I thought we were gonna be treated to some hot nekkid women. :facepalm: :angel:

My mind went to Asian "Hot Pot". 

This is way more boring.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: Brad Johnson on January 30, 2020, 09:20:28 AM
While I hate casserole, or most of them, with a burning, fiery passion, this recipe intrigues me. I think I'll try it.

You hate lasagna? After all, it's just "pasta casserole".  :laugh:

I grew up on casseroles. If there weren't at least two at a meal, it wasn't a meal. If you have the chance to get some form of Church Ladies Group cookbook for sale, especially an older one, buy it. Casseroles in endless variety, both main dish and side, that are time- and family-tested. There's the occasional "WTF? entry but most are delicious. They're usually cost-effective and easy to make, too.

Brad
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: MillCreek on January 30, 2020, 09:45:25 AM
^^^Some of the best cookbooks I have ever bought are church, community or local fund-raiser cookbooks.  People usually submit their best/most popular recipes, and you are pretty sure they are going to work.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 30, 2020, 04:38:01 PM
You hate lasagna? After all, it's just "pasta casserole".  :laugh:


I flippin' hate lasagna, as everyone should.

But you'll notice I said "most casseroles."
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: charby on January 30, 2020, 05:40:42 PM

I flippin' hate lasagna, as everyone should.

But you'll notice I said "most casseroles."

Don't like the noodles in casseroles? There are a few I don't for because they are really salty from the canned ingredients.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 30, 2020, 11:45:21 PM
Don't like the noodles in casseroles? There are a few I don't for because they are really salty from the canned ingredients.

With lasagna, it's a combination of things that are either bland, or that I just don't like. Probably, if I came across a version w/o ricotta or parmesan, and with some spices to liven up the blandness of the tomato and pasta, I might like it. On an airplane, of all places, I had lasagna w/ pepperoni slices on top, and it's the best lasagna I've ever had. Then again, I was about 12 at the time, so pepperoni was my favorite food.

I can't say exactly what it is about casserole. My wife makes a hash brown casserole that's good, and I like strata, if that counts.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: zxcvbob on January 31, 2020, 12:54:11 AM
With lasagna, it's a combination of things that are either bland, or that I just don't like. Probably, if I came across a version w/o ricotta or parmesan, and with some spices to liven up the blandness of the tomato and pasta, I might like it. On an airplane, of all places, I had lasagna w/ pepperoni slices on top, and it's the best lasagna I've ever had. Then again, I was about 12 at the time, so pepperoni was my favorite food.

I can't say exactly what it is about casserole. My wife makes a hash brown casserole that's good, and I like strata, if that counts.

I make something like this quite often for church potlucks: https://thepioneerwoman.com/cooking/sour-cream-noodle-bake/  But not exactly like that; that's just the inspiration.  The effect is lasagna, but it's easier to make and easier to serve.  I brown the meat and add a jar of spaghetti sauce and a little oregano and red pepper flakes.  For the cheese, I use cottage cheese mixed with [real] sour cream and onion dip, and some black pepper.  And I use bowtie pasta instead of egg noodles.  No cheddar cheese, just a sprinkling of mozzarella on top and not much of that.  First a layer of noodles and cheese in a 4 liter (10x14?) pyrex baking dish, then a layer of meat sauce.  Repeat.  Sprinkle a little mozz on top just to make it look finished, and bake.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: K Frame on January 31, 2020, 07:59:58 AM

I flippin' hate lasagna, as everyone should.

But you'll notice I said "most casseroles."

Always suspected that you were a commie, but that just seals it.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: charby on January 31, 2020, 09:02:27 AM
With lasagna, it's a combination of things that are either bland, or that I just don't like. Probably, if I came across a version w/o ricotta or parmesan, and with some spices to liven up the blandness of the tomato and pasta, I might like it. On an airplane, of all places, I had lasagna w/ pepperoni slices on top, and it's the best lasagna I've ever had. Then again, I was about 12 at the time, so pepperoni was my favorite food.

I can't say exactly what it is about casserole. My wife makes a hash brown casserole that's good, and I like strata, if that counts.

I prefer ziti over lasagna because ziti is made with Italian sausage which adds a lot of flavor.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: Ben on January 31, 2020, 09:10:05 AM
Maybe they just make crappy lasagna in Misery? I don't have lasagna a lot, but I've had more good and flavorful lasagna than bland. Even the Costco take and bake is pretty good, though I will add seasoning to it for a little extra kick.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: charby on January 31, 2020, 09:20:59 AM
Maybe they just make crappy lasagna in Misery? I don't have lasagna a lot, but I've had more good and flavorful lasagna than bland. Even the Costco take and bake is pretty good, though I will add seasoning to it for a little extra kick.

Might want to rethink Costco, 95% of their political donations goes to democrat candidates.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals.php?id=D000000703&cycle=2020



Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: Ben on January 31, 2020, 09:26:33 AM
Might want to rethink Costco, 95% of their political donations goes to democrat candidates.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals.php?id=D000000703&cycle=2020


We've had this convo here before. I've stated that i know where Costco's politics lie, but they don't throw it in my face or tell me they don't want my business, so I do business with them. If I only shopped at conservative leaning places for my goods and services, I'd never get any rest what with driving out of my way to get to them. Just like Chick-Fil-A is happy to serve people they don't agree with politically.

Plus I don't know why you're bringing Costco up with me like it's something new. I literally mention them in like every third post I make here.  :laugh:

Also, I have Costco stock that I bought at $60. They can have Bernie signs all over the store and I'll still say, "Thanks Costco!"
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: dogmush on January 31, 2020, 09:30:36 AM
I prefer ziti over lasagna because ziti is made with Italian sausage which adds a lot of flavor.

I put sausage in my lasagna.  It's awesome.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: zxcvbob on January 31, 2020, 09:36:15 AM
I put sausage in my lasagna.  It's awesome.

If you don't have Italian sausage, just use breakfast sausage and add fennel seeds.  And maybe some red pepper flakes, but fennel is the only thing that's essential.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: charby on January 31, 2020, 09:42:46 AM
Plus I don't know why you're bringing Costco up with me like it's something new. I literally mention them in like every third post I make here.  :laugh:

I just learned about Costco stance the other day, we are having a meltdown debate in my state that one of the statewide grocery stores (that is employee owned) is pro GOP (and anti union) because of a $25K donation (from a grocery PAC) to a GOP event to persuade them to consider doing something about high cost of prescription drugs. One leftist twit kept spouting off about how Costco is a leftist company.

Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: Ben on January 31, 2020, 09:46:34 AM
One leftist twit kept spouting off about how Costco is a leftist company.

Yeah, they're at least as leftist as Google. They just manage not to be obnoxious about it. I can always get along with people with opposing political views as long as they're not throwing them in my face every two minutes. Costco seems to have a "don't ask, don't tell" policy. :)

Plus local Costcos, like local any chain store, are made up of local employees, so depending on where you live, that can either buffer or amplify the company stance.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: K Frame on January 31, 2020, 09:49:37 AM
My ex had a vegetable lasagna recipe that was, by a wide margin, the best lasagna I've ever had.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: charby on January 31, 2020, 09:55:18 AM
This is a pretty tasty sauce for baked pasta dishes if your are being lazy and don't feel like making your own.

https://www.barilla.com/en-us/products/sauces/premium-roasted-garlic
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: Ben on January 31, 2020, 10:02:34 AM
Ex's and vegetable lasagna.

https://youtu.be/N9niUcQOfp8
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: K Frame on January 31, 2020, 10:21:06 AM
I always use jarred sauce for my lasagna and baked ziti. More consistent results that way.

Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: charby on January 31, 2020, 10:30:19 AM
I always use jarred sauce for my lasagna and baked ziti. More consistent results that way.



Depends if it a winter weekend or summertime weeknight if I do or not.

Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: K Frame on January 31, 2020, 10:56:44 AM
I make my own red sauce frequently when I'm just serving it over pasta. But for something that takes a lot of time and ingredients and needs to be assembled, I go jarred.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: zxcvbob on January 31, 2020, 11:59:30 AM
I always use jarred sauce for my lasagna and baked ziti. More consistent results that way.


Hunt's and Del Monte canned sauces (it's a tall can, I think 26 oz) are good too.  I stock up on Hunt's when they are on sale for less than $1 per can.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 31, 2020, 02:42:43 PM
Maybe they just make crappy lasagna in Misery? I don't have lasagna a lot, but I've had more good and flavorful lasagna than bland.

More likely there's just one weirdo in the state that just has weird super-refined and sophisticated tastebuds.

Or maybe our lasagna really is bad. Plus our mac-and-cheese, potato salad, walnuts, pecans, Mountain Dew, ranch dressing, ketchup, horseradish, and hot wings.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: charby on January 31, 2020, 02:46:29 PM
More likely there's just one weirdo in the state that just has weird super-refined and sophisticated tastebuds.

Or maybe our lasagna really is bad. Plus our mac-and-cheese, potato salad, walnuts, pecans, Mountain Dew, ranch dressing, ketchup, horseradish, and hot wings.

No, I find it hard to find a lasagna that I actually like. Most I can't eat because they use beef burger in it instead of pork like the Italian Pope intended. Seems like people use the cheapest lasagna noodles they can buy and it tastes like wheat paste to me. Life is too short of cheap pasta and cheap pasta sauce.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: charby on January 31, 2020, 02:53:17 PM
, potato salad, walnuts, pecans, Mountain Dew, ranch dressing, ketchup, horseradish, and hot wings.

That's really not that weird, I think it fairly common for folks not to like all of those or many of them. I can take or leave (mostly) ranch dressing. Mountain Dew is meh. I do love my hot wings. The rest is pretty regular at my house.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: K Frame on January 31, 2020, 02:56:17 PM
Jesus Hosanah Christ!

You're both commies!
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 31, 2020, 03:18:54 PM
Communism never tasted so good.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: charby on January 31, 2020, 03:20:37 PM
Communism never tasted so good.

Mike should buy us pizzas.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: Jim147 on January 31, 2020, 06:35:44 PM
We need to kick the communist side of MO out they can join Illinois
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: RoadKingLarry on January 31, 2020, 06:45:18 PM

I flippin' hate lasagna, as everyone should.

But you'll notice I said "most casseroles."

Burn the heretic!
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: zxcvbob on January 31, 2020, 09:29:50 PM
Those of you who actually make lasagna, have you ever tried just soaking the dried noodles to rehydrate them instead of boiling?  Then they'll cook as the lasagna bakes.  I got this idea in my head when I saw Jamie Oliver on TV cooking something lasagna-y using fresh pasta sheets.  But I haven't tried it yet.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: dogmush on February 01, 2020, 01:06:47 AM
No I like to boil them to get some of the extra starches out.  I cook them super al dente for any baked pasta dish though, so they aren't mushy after baking.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: charby on February 01, 2020, 02:05:27 AM
Those of you who actually make lasagna, have you ever tried just soaking the dried noodles to rehydrate them instead of boiling?  Then they'll cook as the lasagna bakes.  I got this idea in my head when I saw Jamie Oliver on TV cooking something lasagna-y using fresh pasta sheets.  But I haven't tried it yet.

What part of I don't want to be eating wall paper paste do you not understand?
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: zxcvbob on February 01, 2020, 02:26:38 AM
What part of I don't want to be eating wall paper paste do you not understand?

I got that.  I'm not sure there's a connection.  (I'll try it soon, so you don't have to) ;)
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: K Frame on February 01, 2020, 08:36:57 AM
Is it my imagination or does Klobuchar's daughter bear a striking resemblance to Amy Farrah Fowler?
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: charby on February 01, 2020, 11:56:28 AM
Is it my imagination or does Klobuchar's daughter bear a striking resemblance to Amy Farrah Fowler?

not your imagination
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: K Frame on February 01, 2020, 01:20:54 PM
I'd give that hot dish recipe a try, but I'd replace the ground beef with either ground turkey or shredded chicken. And it needs onions. LOTS of onions.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: zxcvbob on February 01, 2020, 01:51:29 PM
I've soaked 8 ounces of lasagna noodles for a test.  Quite a bit of free starch soaked out.  They are drained and in the refrigerator now.  Going to make some spinach lasagna (don't want to waste the meat if it turns out awful)  Probably tonight.

ETA: Rolling up the soaked noodles and putting them in the fridge was a fantastically bad idea.  They turned into a mass of dough that I could *almost* separate into sheets but they ripped to pieces.  I kneaded the whole thing into a ball just to see if I could, then threw it in the trash.  I couldn't think of a use for it.

I will try again soon with the other half a box of noodles.  (I have the ricotta etc already) But next time I will just soak them for a half hour while I'm getting everything else ready, then assemble immediately.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: Jim147 on February 01, 2020, 06:35:38 PM
I've used to no boil noodles for year with no starch probl m.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: charby on February 01, 2020, 06:42:13 PM
I may try these (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Barilla-Gluten-Free-Oven-Ready-Pasta-Lasagne-10-oz/706416007?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&wl13=810&adid=22222222227000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=42423897272&wl4=aud-834279575726:pla-51320962143&wl5=9017973&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=local&wl12=706416007&veh=sem&gclid=Cj0KCQiA4NTxBRDxARIsAHyp6gBCDvIIrGSQD_IFX_utOD41OsLDuMDAmBnIpqOp9nX29Rq0kq6_W4IaAnioEALw_wcB)
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: K Frame on February 03, 2020, 07:34:47 AM
" I kneaded the whole thing into a ball just to see if I could, then threw it in the trash.  I couldn't think of a use for it."

Roll it flat, cut into ribbons with a sharp knife.

Voila. Noodles. Again.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: zxcvbob on February 03, 2020, 10:19:34 AM
" I kneaded the whole thing into a ball just to see if I could, then threw it in the trash.  I couldn't think of a use for it."

Roll it flat, cut into ribbons with a sharp knife.

Voila. Noodles. Again.

I actually thought of that, but the dough was too sticky to work with; rolling it would make a huge mess.  I also thought about making something like rivels with it.

One thing that might have been worthwhile (too late now) would be mixing some yeast into it and trying to make a pizza dough.
Title: Re: The back story of Hot Dish
Post by: K Frame on February 03, 2020, 10:45:39 AM
Add flour. It would have soaked up the excess moisture.

Had you done something like rivels, my guess is that it would have come out more like orzo. Similar, but not the same.