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Title: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: makattak on February 02, 2020, 08:46:50 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/25/us/politics/democratic-iowa-poll-sanders.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

So bad is this that the Des Moines Register refused to release the last poll before the caucuses. (They've never done that before.)

Seems the Democrats have a problem with nominating the candidate they should have nominated last election.

If they'd have nominated Bernie last election, they might have won. If they'd have nominated Hillary in 2008, they'd have had the still young, telegenic Senator from Illinois to run later.

Instead they ran Obama in 2008 and now have 0 bench to pull from.

(Of course, I don't think it matters who they run this time, they will lose bigly.)
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: WLJ on February 02, 2020, 10:35:53 AM
Going to be rather interesting to see what the DNC pulls out of their rabbit hat to bury him again.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Ron on February 02, 2020, 10:40:16 AM
Bernie and Joe will both unexpectedly fall ill and drop out or pass away.

Luckily for the Democrats Hillary will step up and agree to run for president.

Her love of the American people and the Constitution wouldn't let it be otherwise.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: WLJ on February 02, 2020, 10:46:06 AM
Yeah, right after I typed that I had a version of Hillary's head popping up out of a rabbit hat saying "Surprise!" Not 12:00 yet is it?
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: MechAg94 on February 02, 2020, 10:48:07 AM
Iowa is always a bit different than the other state primaries.  Bernie has some dedicated supporters, but they alone won't get him the nomination.  Will he get enough other support/votes to challenge like he did last time?  I don't know.

Do any of you know Democrats around you?  Are they enthusiastic about any of the candidates?
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Ben on February 02, 2020, 10:56:25 AM
Going to be rather interesting to see what the DNC pulls out of their rabbit hat to bury him again.

I believe the device they're using this time around is called a Bloomberg.

Hooray for billionaires and $10 million a pop gun control commercials!
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 02, 2020, 11:19:53 AM
There's talk of changing the rules again.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/dnc-members-discuss-changing-rules-to-stop-sanders-from-getting-nomination-report-says
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: WLJ on February 02, 2020, 11:30:50 AM
There's talk of changing the rules again.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/dnc-members-discuss-changing-rules-to-stop-sanders-from-getting-nomination-report-says

They're "living" rules.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Silver Bullet on February 02, 2020, 11:37:06 AM
Quote
Do any of you know Democrats around you?

Of course not!   :police:
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: dogmush on February 02, 2020, 11:54:25 AM
Do any of you know Democrats around you?  Are they enthusiastic about any of the candidates?

The unit I currently work with is based in Iowa, and one of the guys in my section is a Democrat.

He is not a Sanders fan, and leans towards Buttigieg.  He thinks Bernie's long history of open Socialism will be too much for the middle to swallow in a general election, especially the rust belt union folks.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: MillCreek on February 02, 2020, 12:13:01 PM

Do any of you know Democrats around you?  Are they enthusiastic about any of the candidates?

Warren, Sanders, Klobuchar and Buttigieg in that order.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Ron on February 02, 2020, 12:45:55 PM
Interesting speculations on Bernie, Tulsi and Hillary.

I guess we should expect things to get even crazier.

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/02/01/can-bernie-and-tulsi-survive-hillarys-urge-to-save-the-dnc/
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: charby on February 02, 2020, 01:17:58 PM
Do any of you know Democrats around you?  Are they enthusiastic about any of the candidates?

Mostly Bernie or Warren. 2nd runners up are Klobuchar, Buttigieg and Yang. Everyone else doesn't seem to even make a statistical blip.

Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: WLJ on February 02, 2020, 01:24:55 PM
If they pull another 2016 on Bernie this time it could light one heck of a civil war within the party  [popcorn]
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: charby on February 02, 2020, 01:26:31 PM
If they pull another 2016 on Bernie this time it could light one heck of a civil war within the party  [popcorn]

I was thinking about that last night if they anoint the fallen queen at this summer's party convention.

Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 02, 2020, 01:29:30 PM
They're "living" rules.

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: HankB on February 02, 2020, 03:13:16 PM
The unit I currently work with is based in Iowa, and one of the guys in my section is a Democrat.

He is not a Sanders fan, and leans towards Buttigieg . . .
Just tell him not to get his hopes up, Buttigieg already has a husband.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Ron on February 02, 2020, 03:42:03 PM
Just tell him not to get his hopes up, Buttigieg already has a husband.

Does the country want another president that leads from behind?
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Fly320s on February 02, 2020, 04:40:13 PM
Did you guys know Deval Patrick is running for president?  I didn't either, but I saw his campaign bus today.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Pb on February 02, 2020, 05:05:45 PM
So, who are we hoping gets the nomination?  So they can lose I mean   ???
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: charby on February 02, 2020, 05:26:01 PM
So, who are we hoping gets the nomination?  So they can lose I mean   ???

Democrats have a way of rallying together behind their candidate, I don't think they are going to stay home this fall even if it is Bloomberg on the DEM ticket.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 02, 2020, 06:09:50 PM
So, who are we hoping gets the nomination?  So they can lose I mean   ???

The leadership seems awfully worried about Sanders. It wouldn't be surprising if they helped Warren with her little milkshake duck ambush a couple of weeks ago. Then again some say CNN is the Democrats' leadership these days, so...
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: charby on February 03, 2020, 08:53:05 AM
I'm waiting for the news to spin a low GOP turnout on Iowa caucus night.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: charby on February 03, 2020, 10:13:50 AM
I was thinking about that last night if they anoint the fallen queen at this summer's party convention.



More like the fallen knight (using this term loosely)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/john-kerry-overheard-discussing-possible-2020-bid-amid-concern-sanders-n1128476
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: brimic on February 03, 2020, 10:19:01 AM
On the radio this morning, I heard a discussion about the possibility of a Bernie Bro chimpout in Milwaukee if he isn't nominated.
I say let it happen.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Kingcreek on February 03, 2020, 11:11:57 AM
I am optimistic after noting the anxiety levels among my younger Iowa relatives. None of the older ones are Dems.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 03, 2020, 03:09:43 PM
On the radio this morning, I heard a discussion about the possibility of a Bernie Bro chimpout in Milwaukee if he isn't nominated.
I say let it happen.

I'd almost pay to watch  [popcorn]
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: AJ Dual on February 03, 2020, 04:48:01 PM
I'm sitting here three blocks from Milwaukee proper like:

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/8d63e1619a84ab90f0b8a9122472bf29/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: charby on February 03, 2020, 04:53:02 PM
https://results.thecaucuses.org/

check back later, like after 9pm CST, may crash like in the past. GOP had a major fowl up crash in 2012.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: charby on February 03, 2020, 07:29:53 PM
Well 30 minutes away, about 60 people so far at the Democrat caucas for my ward and precinct. So much for my 27 year run as a registered Republican.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 03, 2020, 11:08:27 PM
https://results.thecaucuses.org/

check back later, like after 9pm CST, may crash like in the past. GOP had a major fowl up crash in 2012.

It's well after 9:00 p.m. CST and I don't see a single tally reported.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 03, 2020, 11:09:07 PM
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Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: charby on February 03, 2020, 11:13:44 PM
.

I so predicted the computer crash.. try back after 11pm CST.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 03, 2020, 11:24:54 PM
https://twitter.com/aandgshow/status/1224546005086982145?s=12
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 04, 2020, 12:14:51 AM
I so predicted the computer crash.. try back after 11pm CST.

Nope.

Other lamestream sources (all of them!) are reporting that the primary reporting system failed, the backup system failed, and the alternate to the backup system failed.

So ... either they had NO idea what they were doing -- or they need more time to fudge the results before announcing anything.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 04, 2020, 12:36:15 AM
 [popcorn]

Were the servers wiped? Like with a cloth?
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: dogmush on February 04, 2020, 12:45:26 AM
I actually tend to believe the story on app issues.  When the Dems rig an election, it goes smoother than this.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 04, 2020, 02:51:02 AM
I actually tend to believe the story on app issues.  When the Dems rig an election, it goes smoother than this.

So you're saying it must have been the Rooshans?
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: dogmush on February 04, 2020, 03:08:06 AM
So you're saying it must have been the Rooshans?

The Ukrainians hacked it.  They are too invested in appeasing Trump to change horses at this point.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Ron on February 04, 2020, 06:11:24 AM
First manual recount has Hillary surging ahead with an amazing write in campaign 😄
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 04, 2020, 07:03:22 AM
I actually tend to believe the story on app issues.  When the Dems rig an election, it goes smoother than this.

True.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 04, 2020, 07:09:34 AM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-inconsistencies-found-in-democrat-iowa-caucus-reporting-conspiracies-explode

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“We found inconsistencies in the reporting of three sets of results,” the Democratic National Committee said in a statement. “In addition to the tech systems being used to tabulate results, we are also using photos of results and a paper trail to validate that all results match and ensure that we have confidence and accuracy in the numbers we report. This is simply a reporting issue, the app did not go down and this is not a hack or an intrusion. The underlying data and paper trail is sound and will simply take time to further report the results.”
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: griz on February 04, 2020, 07:20:26 AM
This morning they were reporting it as a glitch in the system.  Being the skeptic that I am, my first thought was the glitch was that the wrong candidate won.  But I think it's more likely that it's just the clumsy implementation of an awkward system.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: WLJ on February 04, 2020, 07:41:58 AM
Anyone blame Russian hackers yet?

Dems sure seem to have a bunch of trouble with computers don't they?


 
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Ben on February 04, 2020, 08:07:06 AM
Anyone blame Russian hackers yet?

Dems sure seem to have a bunch of trouble with computers don't they?


Well, the app was developed by a company called SHADOW.

I think Rs should be throwing the term "election manipulation" around like every two minutes though, just to begin to even things out with the Ds, who have already said that if Trump wins this year, it's because of manipulation and thus he's again an invalid President.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: K Frame on February 04, 2020, 09:28:18 AM
Have they tried turning Iowa off and then back on again?
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 04, 2020, 09:37:23 AM
LOL Buttigieg tried to declare victory in Iowa.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: WLJ on February 04, 2020, 09:38:25 AM
 [popcorn]

Dems and the media are blaming Bernie Sanders for Iowa’s caucus chaos
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/02/04/dems-and-the-media-are-blaming-bernie-sanders-for-iowas-caucus-chaos/
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: TechMan on February 04, 2020, 09:46:43 AM
LOL Buttigieg tried to declare victory in Iowa.


I saw that and Bernie is firing back with his own internal numbers.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 04, 2020, 09:49:14 AM
#Tomperezresign  is trending on twitter, too.  Looks like an implosion in the DNC in the works.
And here I thought the RNC was the only party stupid enough to shoot itself in the foot like this.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: DittoHead on February 04, 2020, 09:50:03 AM
Nice to see that both parties have thoroughly screwed the pooch in Iowa (http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=33147.0) now. Maybe we can stop placing such importance on those silly caucuses.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: MechAg94 on February 04, 2020, 10:15:09 AM
#Tomperezresign  is trending on twitter, too.  Looks like an implosion in the DNC in the works.
And here I thought the RNC was the only party stupid enough to shoot itself in the foot like this.

IMO, it should be messy.  If it goes too smoothly, I tend to wonder who is manipulating things. 
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: WLJ on February 04, 2020, 10:16:17 AM
Anyone blame Russian hackers yet?


Zing

Quote
   REMINDER: Mueller report told us Russia interfered in our 2016 election in a "sweeping and systematic fashion." Why? Simple, the "Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome." #IowaCaucus #IowaCaucusDisaster pic.twitter.com/JIkTZZluV6

    — (((DeanObeidallah))) (@DeanObeidallah) February 4, 2020
Quote
    Seems like a good time to remind people that Trump and Mitch McConnell opposed measures to further secure our elections for 2020. #IowaCaucuses #IowaCaucusDisaster https://t.co/4bnAN7qjKE

    — (((DeanObeidallah))) (@DeanObeidallah) February 4, 2020
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/02/04/liberals-never-disappoint-dean-obeidallah-blames-the-russians-for-iowacaucus-debacle-annnd-were-officially-dead/
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: charby on February 04, 2020, 10:52:40 AM
Have they tried turning Iowa off and then back on again?

No bacon for you
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: charby on February 04, 2020, 10:53:51 AM
LOL Buttigieg tried to declare victory in Iowa.


He may be not far from that, I bet he is in the top three when the results come out.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: WLJ on February 04, 2020, 11:12:53 AM
LOL Buttigieg tried to declare victory in Iowa.


Hmmm
Says there's a money connection between Buttigieg and Shadow

HOO-BOY: Reading this DAMNING thread from Lee Fang about Pete Buttigieg and Shadow Inc. it’s no wonder #MayorCheat is trending
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/02/04/hoo-boy-reading-this-damning-thread-from-lee-fang-about-pete-buttigieg-and-shadow-inc-its-no-wonder-mayorcheat-is-trending/
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 04, 2020, 11:14:08 AM
Well, the app was developed by a company called SHADOW.


Which is owned by friends of Hillary Clinton.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: bedlamite on February 04, 2020, 11:17:49 AM
Anyone blame Russian hackers yet?

Dems sure seem to have a bunch of trouble with computers don't they?


 

He's a CNN hack so I kind of expect it:

https://twitter.com/slack2thefuture/status/1224611432987119616
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 04, 2020, 11:25:03 AM
https://twitter.com/Boomieleaks/status/1224682614876966914
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 04, 2020, 11:45:50 AM
Which is owned by friends of Hillary Clinton.

Source: https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2020-02-04/clinton-campaign-vets-behind-2020-iowa-caucus-app-snafu
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: WLJ on February 04, 2020, 11:57:40 AM
Quote
    this was the Dem's first day of school. And they showed up in their underwear.

    — GregGutfeld (@greggutfeld) February 4, 2020

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: cordex on February 04, 2020, 11:59:32 AM
Well, the app was developed by a company called SHADOW.
Ha ha.  That's a funny jo ... oh, it really was.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Kingcreek on February 04, 2020, 12:15:41 PM
So far, it looks like Trump is winning the Iowa democrat circus I mean caucus.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: AJ Dual on February 04, 2020, 12:33:22 PM
The Schadenfreude overdose is almost too much to bear.  =D

Is it too much to hope that this is just the first in a line of dominoes that sees the unraveling of the Democratic Party?

I'm actually willing to let Milwaukee burn a bit if it means that the party devolves into a pastiche of greens, socialists, and paleo-democrats perpetually at each other's throats and unable to gain traction nationally for a generation or two.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 04, 2020, 12:54:47 PM
"In the land of Mordor Iowa where the SHADOWs lie ..."
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: K Frame on February 04, 2020, 01:00:26 PM
The Nevada Dems (NDs) were originally planning on using the same app as the Iowa Dems, but NDs just indicated that given the app's failure, they're not going to use it.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: charby on February 04, 2020, 01:06:13 PM
I'm also wondering if they had all the results before midnight and just gaming the system to slow down the 24/7 news cycle/or poke CNN in the eye.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: WLJ on February 04, 2020, 01:33:19 PM
"In the land of Mordor Iowa where the SHADOWs lie ..."


I was thinking more along these lines

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/5/54/Shadow_%28Babylon_5%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120923222728)
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: charby on February 04, 2020, 01:37:24 PM
(https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/w500_and_h282_face/iOfJGauq9qvfRwWQbwXGoo1OCXT.jpg)
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: K Frame on February 04, 2020, 01:45:54 PM
I'm also wondering if they had all the results before midnight and just gaming the system to slow down the 24/7 news cycle/or poke CNN in the eye.

No.

No possible upside for them because this makes the entire Democratic Party look absolutely incompetent as hell. That would make about as much sense as Nancy Pelosi holding the articles of impeachment to force a better deal in the Senate....

Wait a minute....


 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


In any event, no. This is an absolute image disaster for the Democrats, one they're going to be dealing with for months.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: WLJ on February 04, 2020, 01:58:15 PM
Headlines over on CNN
Cue the circus music

Iowa Democrats promise some results soon
Pete Buttigieg claims Iowa victory again
Nevada Democrats won't use app at center of confusion
Iowa Democratic Party chair says "more than 50%" of results will be released
"Majority of results" will be released by 5 p.m. ET
Caucus chair says he used backchannel to the Iowa Democratic Party after app attempt failed
This precinct chair couldn't download the app or get support from the state party
Homeland Security had offered to test Iowa app
The Buttigieg campaign has used the same company that developed the app in Iowa
Bernie Sanders is fundraising off Iowa delay
App problems apparently surfaced last week
Buttigieg claims he’s ‘going to New Hampshire victorious’
A delegate tie between Sanders and Buttigieg was decided by a coin flip
Problematic software used in Iowa also set to be used in Nevada, sources say

 
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: K Frame on February 04, 2020, 02:05:19 PM
(https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/w500_and_h282_face/iOfJGauq9qvfRwWQbwXGoo1OCXT.jpg)

Whoa. Where did you get the picture of my ex-wife?

Whom I unaffectionately call "Soul Reaver..."
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Ron on February 04, 2020, 02:18:05 PM
You would have to be nuts to hire these people to do anything.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: WLJ on February 04, 2020, 02:20:54 PM
You would have to be nuts to hire these people to do anything.


And there lies the problem, the nuts are multiplying
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Ben on February 04, 2020, 02:25:22 PM
I was thinking more along these lines

[img]https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/5/54/Shadow_%28Babylon_5%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120923222728

Oh, good one! Why didn't I think of that?
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Ben on February 04, 2020, 02:26:36 PM
"OKAY, BOOMER!"

It's the fault of old people:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/02/04/keep-the-hot-takes-comin-nyt-columnist-blames-bumbling-tech-challenged-oldster-volunteers-for-last-nights-epic-iowa-caucus-disaster/
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 04, 2020, 02:32:03 PM
Oh, good one! Why didn't I think of that?

... and Mr. Morden is their sales rep.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: bedlamite on February 04, 2020, 02:44:55 PM
https://apnews.com/65327a2b9acbc9c903ef7f906bfce1f4

They are blaming it on a code problem. The "learn to code" memes will arrive in 5, 4, 3, ...
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 04, 2020, 02:49:07 PM
Cocaine Mitch strikes again:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/02/04/was-waiting-for-this-mother-jones-is-here-to-remind-you-that-mitch-mcconnells-been-laying-the-groundwork-for-the-iowa-caucus-fiasco/
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 04, 2020, 02:51:44 PM
"OKAY, BOOMER!"

It's the fault of old people:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/02/04/keep-the-hot-takes-comin-nyt-columnist-blames-bumbling-tech-challenged-oldster-volunteers-for-last-nights-epic-iowa-caucus-disaster/

Meh. Older people struggle with new tech. Doesn't mean the Boomers are to blame. Poor design is poor design. The developers should have known that clueless amateurs would be using their software.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Ben on February 04, 2020, 02:55:34 PM
The developers should have known that clueless amateurs would be using their software.

Precisely, of all ages.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 04, 2020, 03:24:16 PM

From what I've read, either the app was not adequately tested,  or that concerns raised from the test results were ignored.

Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Brad Johnson on February 04, 2020, 03:57:00 PM
Shadow must have sourced their product devs from the Windows 8 team.

Brad
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 04, 2020, 04:43:33 PM
The mess in Iowa has apparently encouraged Bloomberg:   
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/us/politics/michael-bloomberg-campaign-ads.html

Quote
Mr. Bloomberg, the former New York City mayor whose campaign is fueled by a multibillion-dollar personal fortune, conferred with advisers on Tuesday morning about the muddled results in Iowa. Encouraged by the murky outcome, Mr. Bloomberg authorized his campaign team to double his spending on television commercials in every market where he is currently advertising and expand his campaign’s field staff to more than two thousand people, strategists involved in the conversations said.

Oh joy.  Even more Bloomberg ads.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Ben on February 04, 2020, 04:47:27 PM
The mess in Iowa has apparently encouraged Bloomberg:   
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/us/politics/michael-bloomberg-campaign-ads.html

Oh joy.  Even more Bloomberg ads.


Well, maybe on the next one instead of shaking a dog's mouth, he'll kiss a cat's ass.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Ben on February 04, 2020, 04:49:49 PM
Quote
The details of Shadow's epic fail keep getting worse. They deployed the Android app through a free version of TestFairy, which caps the number of users at 200. https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/4/21122737/iowa-democractic-caucus-voting-app-android-testfairy-screenshots-app-store …


https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/02/04/new-report-on-shadow-inc-s-iowa-caucus-epic-fail-suggests-that-this-disaster-was-basically-an-f5-tornado-of-incompetence-waiting-to-touch-down/


Party of science and high IQs and book learnin' and stuff.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Kingcreek on February 04, 2020, 05:20:18 PM
Boot edge edge followed by sanders then warren with creepy joe pulling down less than 16%
Teeheehee
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 04, 2020, 05:21:52 PM
No.

No possible upside for them because this makes the entire Democratic Party look absolutely incompetent as hell. That would make about as much sense as Nancy Pelosi holding the articles of impeachment to force a better deal in the Senate....

Wait a minute....


 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


In any event, no. This is an absolute image disaster for the Democrats, one they're going to be dealing with for months.

It seems like they believed their base is so fired up, they could just coast to victory, so they just slapped things together in the impeachment and the Iowa caucus.


Some details on how they screwed things up.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/04/the-iowa-democratic-party-is-to-blame-for-caucus-chaos/
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Brad Johnson on February 04, 2020, 05:25:43 PM
With 62% reporting, Buttigieg in the lead with Sanders following closely behind (less than 2% split). Warren, Biden, and Klobuchar are third, fourth, and fifth, respectively, but no real threat to the two frontrunners. The remainder are mere footnotes.

It's fun to point out that little Mikey Bloomberg is being reported with exactly zero percent of the votes.  :rofl:

Brad
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 04, 2020, 05:53:52 PM
It's fun to point out that little Mikey Bloomberg is being reported with exactly zero percent of the votes.  :rofl:

Is he even on the ballot?
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: griz on February 04, 2020, 05:58:44 PM
Looks like a cluster of epic proportions.  The state party hired a firm to put together a custom app to collect the results.  They refused to have it tested beforehand and didn't want to reveal the vendor either.  They also routed the reports and the help requests calls to the same line.  Makes you wonder why the voters would trust their party.

Edited because I merely repeated the same link as above.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Brad Johnson on February 04, 2020, 06:08:08 PM
Is he even on the ballot?


According to Politico he is. Both the "Uncommited" and "Other" categories fared better (actually much better). I expect there will be a big slew of votes for him coming from somewhere, but it's an irrelevant aside at this point.

*edit to add* With 99% of districts reporting, Trump has 97% of the Republican votes. Wow. I've don't recall ever seeing a caucus party vote so decidedly lopsided.

Brad
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Fly320s on February 04, 2020, 07:49:23 PM
Pete Butt-his-leg was in NH today.  He and his entourage, including a film crew, were taking up space in the local Starbucks.  Only one plain clothes security guard was with him, so probably not USSS. 
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: charby on February 04, 2020, 09:13:36 PM
Is he even on the ballot?


Caucuses don't have prefilled out ballots. That is the beauty of a caucus.

Democrats build a collection of supporters to be create a viable candidates, Republicans have a simple straw pole. It is a party driven activity, not an official election process run by county auditors or Secretary of State. It also the event where people are elected from each precinct to be on the county party central committee and pick delegates for the party's conventions.



Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: just Warren on February 04, 2020, 10:14:26 PM
Cool. I got as many votes as Bloomberg.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 05, 2020, 01:18:24 AM
Well 30 minutes away, about 60 people so far at the Democrat caucas for my ward and precinct. So much for my 27 year run as a registered Republican.

You join the party, and suddenly they can't run a caucus anymore? What have you done?
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: K Frame on February 05, 2020, 07:27:30 AM
The best thing about the Democrat's disaster in Iowa?

The internet memes...

Some of them have been absolutely savage.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: charby on February 05, 2020, 08:32:38 AM
You join the party, and suddenly they can't run a caucus anymore? What have you done?

Maybe I am the Angel of Death.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Ron on February 05, 2020, 08:34:20 AM
Maybe I am the Angel of Death.

Good job! You're a natural!
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 05, 2020, 09:32:30 AM
Pete Butt-his-leg was in NH today.  He and his entourage, including a film crew, were taking up space in the local Starbucks.  Only one plain clothes security guard was with him, so probably not USSS. 

Strangely, Bootajudge was the winner from Iowa somehow.

I'm still in shock.  The RNC has been the shoot-ourselves-in-the-foot-party for decades.  We nominated feckless RINO turds to face off against BHO. TWICE.

Trump is the most divisive president, ever.  Impeached in the house, under trial in the Senate.

Yet somehow, the Democrats are  desperate to drive their train into a ditch.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: WLJ on February 05, 2020, 09:52:24 AM
Strangely, Bootajudge was the winner from Iowa somehow.

I'm still in shock.  The RNC has been the shoot-ourselves-in-the-foot-party for decades.  We nominated feckless RINO turds to face off against BHO. TWICE.

Trump is the most divisive president, ever.  Impeached in the house, under trial in the Senate.

Yet somehow, the Democrats are  desperate to drive their train into a ditch.

But the Dems have the media by and large laying new track in front of the train no matter where it goes.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Ron on February 05, 2020, 10:04:26 AM
Strangely, Bootajudge was the winner from Iowa somehow.

I'm still in shock.  The RNC has been the shoot-ourselves-in-the-foot-party for decades.  We nominated feckless RINO turds to face off against BHO. TWICE.

Trump is the most divisive president, ever.  Impeached in the house, under trial in the Senate.

Yet somehow, the Democrats are  desperate to drive their train into a ditch.

It really is bizarre.

The Dole, Bush, Mcain, Romney and Trump votes be were all desperation votes to slow down the descent into societal insanity.

Only Trump, of all people, is actually governing from the right.

The Democrats are on the crazy train, the Double Down Express to Oblivion.


Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: TommyGunn on February 05, 2020, 10:28:34 AM
Trump wouldn't be so divisive if he didn't have enemies .....  [tinfoil]
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: 230RN on February 05, 2020, 11:18:58 AM
Ron noted:

Quote
It really is bizarre.

The Dole, Bush, Mcain, Romney and Trump votes be were all desperation votes to slow down the descent into societal insanity.

It's not so bizarre when you consider that Communism is born out of confusion and discontent.

The trouble is, ever since the excesses of Senator Joseph McCarthy's "McCarthyism" of the late 1940s, people have been afraid to use the term Communist or communism for fear of being called "paranoid" and making baseless accusations.

And...

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The Democrats are on the crazy train, the Double Down Express to Oblivion.

...this is all part of the plan.  Whip 'em up, block or malign all rational processes, break away from any sense of decorum (as in the Speaker's tearing up of her copy of the SOTU), and spread hate and discontent far and wide.

All part of the plan.

And, unfortunately, too many people still vote with their bellies instead of our previous national values.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: K Frame on February 05, 2020, 11:43:02 AM
Well, looks like the Dems have finally thrown in the towel and are calling in an outside expert to get this all sorted out...

(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150609191203-cookie-and-count-sesame-street-don-lemon-cnn-tonight-00005409-large-169.jpg)
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: makattak on February 05, 2020, 11:57:40 AM
Well, looks like the Dems have finally thrown in the towel and are calling in an outside expert to get this all sorted out...

(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150609191203-cookie-and-count-sesame-street-don-lemon-cnn-tonight-00005409-large-169.jpg)

Finally had to call in one o' tham ther' 'listists with his countin' and figgerin'.  (https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/01/28/dumbest-man-on-tv-don-lemon-and-rick-wilson-just-accidentally-handed-trump-the-best-2020-campaign-ad-ever-watch/)
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: WLJ on February 05, 2020, 12:46:27 PM
Poor Warren

https://twitter.com/SirajAHashmi/status/1224915808469553152
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: RocketMan on February 05, 2020, 01:29:48 PM
Poor Warren

https://twitter.com/SirajAHashmi/status/1224915808469553152

One of the comments was great:  "She only received 1/1024th of a delegate."
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: WLJ on February 05, 2020, 04:58:29 PM
Hold on

 
Quote
   There will be a minor correction to the last batch of results and we will be pushing an update momentarily.

    — Iowa Democrats (@iowademocrats) February 5, 2020
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: WLJ on February 05, 2020, 10:02:57 PM
They may never straighten out this mess

NYT’s Nate Cohn says latest results from Iowa have entered many Bernie Sanders results as Deval Patrick or Tom Steyer
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/02/05/nyts-nate-cohn-says-latest-results-from-iowa-have-entered-many-bernie-sanders-results-as-deval-patrick-or-tom-steyer/
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Andiron on February 05, 2020, 10:16:43 PM
Strangely, Bootajudge was the winner from Iowa somehow.

I'm still in shock.  The RNC has been the shoot-ourselves-in-the-foot-party for decades.  We nominated feckless RINO turds to face off against BHO. TWICE.

Trump is the most divisive president, ever.  Impeached in the house, under trial in the Senate.

Yet somehow, the Democrats are  desperate to drive their train into a ditch.

Careful,  I hear that anything short of perfect, verbatim spelling and pronunciation of "Mayor Pete's" impossible to read surname is grounds for a paddlin' here  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Jim147 on February 05, 2020, 10:27:34 PM
And as a surprise Hillary wins.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 05, 2020, 10:48:34 PM
And as a surprise Hillary wins.

I'd prefer Pat Buchanan won.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: zxcvbob on February 05, 2020, 11:09:55 PM
Careful,  I hear that anything short of perfect, verbatim spelling and pronunciation of "Mayor Pete's" impossible to read surname is grounds for a paddlin' here  :facepalm:

You can't even just shorten it to "Mayor Butt" because there actually *is* a Mayor Butt (Tom Butt, of Richmond, CA)
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: dogmush on February 06, 2020, 12:32:10 AM
Careful,  I hear that anything short of perfect, verbatim spelling and pronunciation of "Mayor Pete's" impossible to read surname is grounds for a paddlin' here  :facepalm:

We have gotten a little fast and loose with the no nicknames rule.  It's no like it's that hard to type Buttigieg.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: charby on February 06, 2020, 07:36:48 AM
We have gotten a little fast and loose with the no nicknames rule.  It's no like it's that hard to type Buttigieg.

Well you can just say "Pete" or "Mayor Pete"
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Ben on February 06, 2020, 08:48:15 AM
Trump supporters to blame.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-supporters-flood-hotline-for-iowa-precinct-chairs-adding-to-the-chaos-report
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 06, 2020, 08:52:59 AM
Careful,  I hear that anything short of perfect, verbatim spelling and pronunciation of "Mayor Pete's" impossible to read surname is grounds for a paddlin' here  :facepalm:

Playing on the fact that its hard to pronounce his name.
Using his name to make homosexual jokes is what got the mods worked up last time and I'd consider that a serious violation of the Art's Grandma clause.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: DittoHead on February 06, 2020, 09:07:54 AM
If you're going to make a rule, it should be enforced or repealed.
Ya know, like immigration laws  :P
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 06, 2020, 09:09:29 AM
Won't do it again. 
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: HankB on February 06, 2020, 09:27:14 AM
Trump wouldn't be so divisive if he didn't have enemies .....  [tinfoil]
Ummm . . . dems aren't really going after Trump, they're going after us.

Trump is just in their way.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: TommyGunn on February 06, 2020, 08:01:18 PM
Ummm . . . dems aren't really going after Trump, they're going after us.

Trump is just in their way.

Yea,  but that's been true for longer than Trump has been prez. 
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Andiron on February 06, 2020, 10:01:33 PM
We have gotten a little fast and loose with the no nicknames rule.  It's no like it's that hard to type Buttigieg.

Mea culpa.

Color me annoyed when everyone (including mods) else gets away with the obvious low hanging fruit...
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: charby on February 06, 2020, 10:12:24 PM
Finally Iowa...

Virtual tie with Bernie and Pete, both got 11 delegates from Iowa for the National Convention.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: WLJ on February 06, 2020, 10:33:11 PM
Finally Iowa...

Virtual tie with Bernie and Pete, both got 11 delegates from Iowa for the National Convention.

22 delegates for Hillary. Check
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: charby on February 06, 2020, 10:35:11 PM
22 delegates for Hillary. Check

Pretty sure we'd witness an purely organic blood sport at the DNC convention if that happened.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Northwoods on February 06, 2020, 10:35:28 PM
22 delegates for Hillary. Check

Doesn't she have to eat parts of her opponents to gain their powers?
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: WLJ on February 06, 2020, 10:36:51 PM
Pretty sure we'd witness an purely organic blood sport at the DNC convention if that happened.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/RHiD0K65NxxLO/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: bedlamite on February 06, 2020, 11:40:57 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP_Gbx6X0AAKRf4?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 07, 2020, 09:02:08 AM
22 delegates for Hillary. Check

You misspelled "Bloomberg".  I have a feeling he is the anointed one this time, even over Biden.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: makattak on February 07, 2020, 09:15:49 AM
You misspelled "Bloomberg".  I have a feeling he is the anointed one this time, even over Biden, now that Biden has been irreparably damaged by impeachment.

Fixed that for you. They wanted Biden- he'd have been very easy to... influence. Likely setting up getting whomever they put in the VP slot to either become President early or run in 2024.

Now that they killed his candidacy with 24/7 talking about how corrupt he is, they need a new savior to prevent admitting they are just socialists.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: WLJ on February 07, 2020, 01:51:29 PM
According to this Sanders actually did clearly win

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/02/07/buckle-up-dnc-byron-york-and-brit-hume-break-down-iowa-caucus-numbers-and-show-bernie-sanders-really-did-win/
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: MechAg94 on February 07, 2020, 02:42:48 PM
Rush mentioned a few minutes ago that some Dems were talking about drafting Romney.   =D
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: DittoHead on February 07, 2020, 02:43:42 PM
According to this Sanders actually did clearly win

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/02/07/buckle-up-dnc-byron-york-and-brit-hume-break-down-iowa-caucus-numbers-and-show-bernie-sanders-really-did-win/

lol only if you go by the popular vote  ;/
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: TommyGunn on February 07, 2020, 07:53:19 PM
Rush mentioned a few minutes ago that some Dems were talking about drafting Romney.   =D

Now THAT  would be a hoot!   :rofl:
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Andiron on February 07, 2020, 08:42:03 PM
Now THAT  would be a hoot!   :rofl:

He could then go hang out with Clinton and Biden at the "lost multiple presidential campaigns" table.
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: 230RN on February 09, 2020, 11:17:06 PM

'It would have worked except they didn't have the right people in charge."
Title: Re: Looks like Bernie is winning Iowa...
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 10, 2020, 05:53:36 PM
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/02/10/metaphors-galore-this-magic-moment-from-iowa-dem-party-chairs-presser-pretty-much-sums-it-all-up-for-iowa-video/