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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Perd Hapley on April 10, 2020, 03:33:25 PM
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Then again, I guess it's no more absurd than anything else the Left does, and we allow them to get away with.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/she-accused-him-of-sexual-assault-even-though-he-says-she-initiated-university-puts-him-in-solitary-confinement
“Immediately after the female student stated she wanted to pursue an investigation, the university evicted Doe from his dorm room based on nothing more than a meritless allegation, and without providing Doe any due process . . . and the opportunity to be heard,” John says in his lawsuit. “Furthermore, Doe was placed in solitary confinement in a moldy apartment, and was informed that he could not have any visitors without approval from the Title IX office.”
John also says the apartment the university put him in didn’t even have internet access or a place to do laundry.
John says in his lawsuit that once school investigators began looking into Jane’s claims, he filed his own complaint alleging that she was the real aggressor and one who initiated the kissing, which he did not want. But even though John had just as much evidence to suggest he was the victim (perhaps more so with the video evidence from his dorm room), Transylvania only “investigated” his claim for two weeks before dismissing it. The school investigated Jane’s claims for two months, and a hearing was set for her complaint in mid-April, but John’s attorneys have filed an injunction to force Transylvania to abandon the hearing.
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I don't know if it's amazing. College campuses continue to be "closed societies" with this stuff with their own rules, embraced by the commie pinko majority on those campuses. Until there are massive - and I mean MASSIVE lawsuits - plus firings, this will not change.
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From what I've seen as father of one in college and one on the way, the big difference is private and public. Amazingly enough, this is one place where state schools are better, because state law controls, and not a bunch of ivory tower academic types creating their rules as they go.
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I don't know if it's amazing. College campuses continue to be "closed societies" with this stuff with their own rules, embraced by the commie pinko majority on those campuses. Until there are massive - and I mean MASSIVE lawsuits - plus firings, this will not change.
Just like their larger outside world equivalents
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Amazingly enough, this is one place where state schools are better, because state law controls, and not a bunch of ivory tower academic types creating their rules as they go.
I dunno, that may depend on the state. I was in the UC system, and even over 20 years ago, I was forced to be a witness in one of these kangaroo courts. That one was "guilty and this is just a formality where everyone just needs to agree with us." When I (honestly) said I never witnessed the behavior the accused was accused of, I can tell you it did not go over well for me or the two other people (we were all his officemates in grad school, one a female) who said the same thing I did.
I couldn't tell you if he did the stuff he was accused of outside our presence, but his "aggressive and threatening nature" was never witnessed by us. Regardless, he was kicked out.
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I hesitate to use the term 'kangaroo courts', but I think these proceedings should use the same right to counsel, due process, evidentiary, and procedural standards as a criminal court hearing.
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I hesitate to use the term 'kangaroo courts',
From my understanding, "kangaroo court" is almost literally the definition of these tribunal things.
From the Oxford:
noun
noun: kangaroo court; plural noun: kangaroo courts
an unofficial court held by a group of people in order to try someone regarded, especially without good evidence, as guilty of a crime or misdemeanor.
From the wiki:
A kangaroo court is a court that ignores recognized standards of law or justice and often carries little or no official standing in the territory within which it resides.
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I hesitate to use the term 'kangaroo courts', but I think these proceedings should use the same right to counsel, due process, evidentiary, and procedural standards as a criminal court hearing.
If this stuff is that serious, let the professionals of the actual justice (not the social justice) system handle it.
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If this stuff is that serious, let the professionals of the actual justice (not the social justice) system handle it.
Quite correct. If there is actual evidence of a sex crime (or any other crime) it should be a matter for ACTUAL police and ACTUAL prosecutors in an ACTUAL court - and out of the school's hands.
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We've had to start telling our 13 year old that when he gets to college he simply cannot ever be in a room with a woman that's not his wife without someone else (ideally several someones, her friends and his) being present. The risk of a spurious accusation is just too high. And whatever else he does, don't ever be alone with an inebriated woman (unless she's married to him). That's just begging for a sexual assault allegation.
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We've had to start telling our 13 year old that when he gets to college he simply cannot ever be in a room with a woman that's not his wife without someone else (ideally several someones, her friends and his) being present. The risk of a spurious accusation is just too high. And whatever else he does, don't ever be alone with an inebriated woman (unless she's married to him). That's just begging for a sexual assault allegation.
I was also thinking there are likely people who those in charge like who get away with actions others would not. Leftists have a habit of ignoring bad actions of fellow leftists.
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We've had to start telling our 13 year old that when he gets to college he simply cannot ever be in a room with a woman that's not his wife without someone else (ideally several someones, her friends and his) being present. The risk of a spurious accusation is just too high. And whatever else he does, don't ever be alone with an inebriated woman (unless she's married to him). That's just begging for a sexual assault allegation.
That's a good rule everywhere. Mike Pence was right.
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I don't know if it's amazing. College campuses continue to be "closed societies" with this stuff with their own rules, embraced by the commie pinko majority on those campuses. Until there are massive - and I mean MASSIVE lawsuits - plus firings, this will not change.
Until you can sue the Title IX "officers" personally and severally, separate from the university system (which in most cases has deep enough pockets to delay, delay, delay) I don't see this changing.
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I would guess that one half-assed advantage of being tried and booted out by the college's kangaroo court is that if it doesn't go any further (i.e., into the regular Court system) then there's no official record of a "Sex Crime" to limit the guy's future rights.
Or so I'm guessing.
As I'm fond of iterating,
Accusations are cheap.
Defense is expensive.
Trite, but too often used by prosecutors and sex crime complainants.