Post by: m1911owner on March 04, 2007, 09:37:48 AM
Does anyone have any info one way or the other?
Post by: CAnnoneer on March 04, 2007, 09:42:55 AM
Post by: m1911owner on March 04, 2007, 09:46:23 AM
I understand that truth is pretty much an unassailable defense against an accusation of slander. So I'm wondering if it was in fact the truth.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 04, 2007, 09:54:55 AM
Besides, where's the slander? Being gay is OK, isn't it?
Post by: Iain on March 04, 2007, 09:57:13 AM
Or I live in a fantasy world. Probably the latter.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on March 04, 2007, 10:02:05 AM
Its like...Oh My God! Ann Coulter said something outrageous!
Post by: MechAg94 on March 04, 2007, 10:28:31 AM
Post by: wingnutx on March 04, 2007, 11:34:57 AM
Post by: roo_ster on March 04, 2007, 11:52:52 AM
Mahr says her wishes VP Cheney had eaten it in the terrorist attack: <sound of crickets from MSM>
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FWIW, I am kinda cool towards Coulter, but I am not going to get all riled up over such a comment. There is already too much "Isn't it wonderful*" sensitivity toward and toleration of what ought to be discouraged** on (public & private) health grounds alone.
* "Isn't it wonderful Bob/Jane/whomever is gay and that we are such tolerant and wonderful people, too?" They ought to rent out their self-satisfied sanctimony by the hour They'd be monied and sactimonious then.
**By means of moral suasion, reference to data, etc. Trying to legislate people from killing themselves has a poor track record.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 04, 2007, 12:24:17 PM
Coulter doesn't call Pony Boy a *Not nice word for gay men*: sound & fury, lotsa coverage in MSM, calls for repudiation.
Mahr says her wishes VP Cheney had eaten it in the terrorist attack: <sound of crickets from MSM>
Mahr says her wishes VP Cheney had eaten it in the terrorist attack: <sound of crickets from MSM>
Yeah. Mahr was agreeing with what people wrote into Huffington's blog, wishing for the death of Cheney and such-lilke. And this right after all the hatred directed toward Zumbo. And we're supposed to be all ashamed that people said mean things about Zumbo. Come on. This is the internet. People say that kind of crap on the internet. No story there, really. A guy like Mahr saying it on TV, though. That's a little different.
Post by: CAnnoneer on March 04, 2007, 12:38:41 PM
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Mahr says her wishes VP Cheney had eaten it in the terrorist attack: <sound of crickets from MSM>
Their silent agreement is thunderous. Still, I thought Mahr had at least slightly more self-respect than that. Ah-well.
Post by: SteveS on March 04, 2007, 01:29:33 PM
Mahr says her wishes VP Cheney had eaten it in the terrorist attack: <sound of crickets from MSM>
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Bill Maher??? I saw the bit and didn't exactly say that he wished the VP died, he just thought a joke about it was funny. Not nice, but not the same as wishing him dead.
I used to like Coulter. While some of the stuff she has to say is funny, she seems to offer nothing in terms of intelligent discussion. I don't see why she gets invited to speak at public events or on TV shows. I guess it might help ratings.
Post by: Manedwolf on March 04, 2007, 01:31:23 PM
Mahr says her wishes VP Cheney had eaten it in the terrorist attack: <sound of crickets from MSM>
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Bill Maher??? I saw the bit and didn't exactly say that he wished the VP died, he just thought a joke about it was funny. Not nice, but not the same as wishing him dead.
I used to like Coulter. While some of the stuff she has to say is funny, she seems to offer nothing in terms of intelligent discussion. I don't see why she gets invited to speak at public events or on TV shows. I guess it might help ratings.
The same reason why studio execs continue to believe that an orangutang wearing human clothes and doing raspberries is something to feature in a movie because it's somehow "funny".
Coulter is their on-cue equivalent of someone with Tourette's. They put the increasingly-more-unstable and foulmouthed person on because they know they'll say something shocking and cause controversy, which boosts ratings.
Post by: gunsmith on March 04, 2007, 02:09:00 PM
Yet I forgive her because she is intelligent and beautiful and funny.
Post by: HankB on March 04, 2007, 02:59:13 PM
Post by: Dannyboy on March 04, 2007, 03:14:12 PM
Post by: The Rabbi on March 04, 2007, 03:51:44 PM
Post by: Standing Wolf on March 04, 2007, 04:10:54 PM
Post by: Ron on March 04, 2007, 05:01:59 PM
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on March 04, 2007, 05:11:16 PM
You'd think they would learn. Eventually. Maybe.
Post by: Standing Wolf on March 04, 2007, 05:52:12 PM
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You'd think they would learn. Eventually. Maybe.
Why would I think such a silly thing as that?
Post by: CAnnoneer on March 04, 2007, 06:18:19 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 04, 2007, 06:22:01 PM
Mahr says her wishes VP Cheney had eaten it in the terrorist attack: <sound of crickets from MSM>
Bill Maher??? I saw the bit and didn't exactly say that he wished the VP died, he just thought a joke about it was funny. Not nice, but not the same as wishing him dead.
He said more than that. The following is a partial transcript, with controversial comments in bold:
Maher: What about the people who got onto the Huffington Post and these werent even the bloggers, these were just the comments section who said they, they expressed regret that the attack on Dick Cheney failed.
Joe Scarborough: Right
Maher: Now&
John Ridley: More than regret.
Maher: Well, what did they say?
Ridley: They said We wish he would die. I mean, it was (?) hate language.
Barney Frank: They said the bomb was wasted. (laughter and applause)
Maher: Thats a funny joke. But, seriously, if this isnt China, shouldnt you be able to say that? Why did Arianna Huffington, my girlfriend, I love her, but why did she take that off right away?
After some discussion about why Huffington should or shouldnt have taken these comments down, the following occurred:
Ridley: Its one thing to say you hate Dick Cheney, which applies to his politics. Its another thing to say, Im sorry he didnt die in an explosion." And I think, you know&
Maher: But you should be able to say it. And by the way...
Frank: Excuse me, Bill, but can I ask you a question? Do you decide what the topics are for this show?
Maher: Yeah, I decide the topics, they dont go there.
Frank: But you exercise control over the show the way that she does over her blog.
Maher: But I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldnt be dying needlessly tomorrow. (applause)
Scarborough: If someone on this panel said that they wished that Dick Cheney had been blown up, and you didnt say&
Frank: I think he did.
Scarborough: Okay. Did you say&
Maher: No, no. I quoted that.
Frank: You dont believe that?
Maher: Im just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. Thats a fact.
http://newsbusters.org/stories/maher_sorry_cheney_assasination_attempt_failed.html
That's not quite the same as wishing his death. But this sort of thing would ruin just about any conservative who dared to say it.
Post by: crt360 on March 04, 2007, 07:08:55 PM
What is she aiming at in the picture?
I'm not sure, but guessing by her malnourished appearance I'd say she hadn't hit one yet.
Post by: Car Knocker on March 04, 2007, 07:17:57 PM
What is she aiming at in the picture? Kerry's integrity?
She had better aim small, in that case.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 04, 2007, 07:49:00 PM
I thought Mahr had at least slightly more self-respect than that. Ah-well.
All politics aside, your expectations of the man are too high. He strikes me very much as a hollow, craven individual, obsessed with sexual lust and desperate to appear intelligent via contrarianism.
Post by: Winston Smith on March 04, 2007, 09:15:05 PM
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and desperate to appear intelligent via contrarianism.
sounds like Ann Coulter to me
Post by: Ned Hamford on March 04, 2007, 09:36:42 PM
The biggest problem with Coulter's remarks isn't what she said but where she said them. That being CPAC and not some college or some place where her remarks would be taken as the joke that they probably were. Unfortunately for her, CPAC is a bit more mature than that and most of the Republican Presidential candidates were in attendance. Excepting McCain, who, obviously, had more pressing matters to which he needed to attend.
Oh pshaw, watch the video, the people laughed. While not the funniest thing I heard that day it was easily recognizeable as being intended humerously.
I'd agree with Rabbi, but I'm alittle afraid she would eat me afterwards.
Post by: Laurent du Var on March 04, 2007, 10:54:56 PM
I'd do her.
Me too, Adam's apple or not.
Post by: gunsmith on March 05, 2007, 01:15:56 AM
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All politics aside, your expectations of the man are too high. He strikes me very much as a hollow, craven individual, obsessed with sexual lust and desperate to appear intelligent via contrarianism.
That is the most accurate description of Maher ever spoken.
Now, back to topic. All the kids today say "gay" as an insult meaning wimpy, hollow, unsubstancial.
It is not homophobic in the slightest.
I.E like South Park said, the 911 truthers are "gay" not meaning homosexual but ...plain idiots.
*Not nice word for gay men* is a lot harsher of a term and is very mean spirited, it was funny when that guy from "greys anatomy" said it. But for some reason it didn't work when Anne did it.
I think she flopped this time.
I lover her anyway.
Post by: Manedwolf on March 05, 2007, 01:26:30 AM
I'd do her.
Boy, you're going to have a rough time when there's finally a "crying game" moment involving Coulter...
But hey, if you'd do trannies, that's your business, not mine.
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 05, 2007, 02:07:24 AM
Post by: El Tejon on March 05, 2007, 02:53:08 AM
A spoiled rich girl who after daddy put her through law school decided to become a poison pen so she wouldn't have to work so hard. Typical East Coast Eloi considers a personal insult a political point.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 05, 2007, 03:01:31 AM
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and desperate to appear intelligent via contrarianism.
sounds like Ann Coulter to me
No, she just wants to appear hard-core. Coulter isn't a contrarian, she's a doctrinaire rightist. Maher, on the other hand, talked like a conservative in the Clinton years and then went full-bore to the left for the Bush era. He'll change his tune again if Democrats keep their hold on Congress and snag the White House.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on March 05, 2007, 07:18:31 AM
If not for the rhetoric she'd have become an authoritative and respectable commentator, whom nobody would read or listen to.
Post by: gunsmith on March 05, 2007, 01:12:18 PM
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Typical East Coast Eloi considers a personal insult a political point
actually the whole debate has just become insults, for instance...calling east coasters "Eloi"
plenty of Eloi in every state of the union.
If people bother to read her stuff you'll see she is 100% correct most of the time.
After getting battered a million times you get bitter, she is fighting back.
Post by: Ned Hamford on March 05, 2007, 01:16:35 PM
Post by: gunsmith on March 05, 2007, 01:20:37 PM
& went to rehab, the black guy from greys anatomy called a gay guy "*Not nice word for gay men*" (twice) & went to rehab, Mel Gibson Jew rant....rehab!
she was making the rehab for everything joke.
I have a friend back in NY, he is BI and Polish/Puerto Rican ...he calls everyone by their respective slur.
and he has more friends that are black, hispanic, gay etc then the white liberals who get bent out of shape
when using incorrect speech.
Post by: Mannlicher on March 05, 2007, 01:49:17 PM
As far as Bill Mahr's untoward remarks vis a vis Cheney, it only reflects the same BS from him back after 911.
Post by: gunsmith on March 05, 2007, 03:24:46 PM
I found it!! It needs its own thread...LOL
Post by: Standing Wolf on March 05, 2007, 04:08:07 PM
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What is she aiming at in the picture? Kerry's integrity?
She'd need a scanning electron microscope for that, not a rifle.
Post by: Standing Wolf on March 05, 2007, 04:57:11 PM
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Ms. Coulter, asked for a reaction to the Republican criticism, said in an e-mail message: "C'mon, it was a joke. I would never insult gays by suggesting that they are like John Edwards. That would be mean."
I just encountered that at the Wall Street Journal site, and laughed aloud.
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 06, 2007, 03:06:18 AM
Coulter generally makes good, insightful points, points which are generally overlooked (if not deliberately ignored or suppressed) by the mainstream commentators. That she wraps her message up in overbearing rhetoric, probably for the sake of publicity, is incidental. The rhetoric doesn't change the fact that many of her observations and insights are dead on.
If not for the rhetoric she'd have become an authoritative and respectable commentator, whom nobody would read or listen to.
If not for the rhetoric she'd have become an authoritative and respectable commentator, whom nobody would read or listen to.
Once in awhile even Hitler made good points....didn't make him less of an ahole though.
Post by: HankB on March 06, 2007, 03:09:32 AM
Once in awhile even Hitler made good points....didn't make him less of an ahole though.
At least we got to the second page of this thread before the inevitable comparison of a conservative with Hitler . . .
Post by: SteveS on March 06, 2007, 03:23:56 AM
I think if she wanted to be an intelligent commentator, she could have been. She is content with throwing out one liners and sound bites and seems to making a good living doing so.
Post by: The Rabbi on March 06, 2007, 04:59:13 AM
WHO FREAKIN CARES???!!
This is so like American politics in general. Why dont we focus on something important, like why electing Tort Boy Edwards to anything will spell doom for American business, or how his election would be the triumph of trial lawyers in American life.
So she called him a *Not nice word for gay men*. Big deal. Some people might get offended at that. But some people get offended at a sunny day.
Post by: BryanP on March 06, 2007, 06:40:33 AM
After all, who cared about what Zumbo said? Why make a big deal about it? Oh, right ...
As for her being attractive at all ... bleah. She's a MAN baby!
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 06, 2007, 06:52:09 AM
Post by: The Rabbi on March 06, 2007, 07:21:29 AM
Post by: tyme on March 06, 2007, 07:37:28 AM
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If people bother to read her stuff you'll see she is 100% correct most of the time.
The few facts she provides are mostly true. The insinuations, which make up the bulk of her writing and speaking, are absurd from a morally neutral viewpoint, and only appeal to right-wingers already predisposed to agree with her beliefs.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 06, 2007, 07:42:11 AM
I still don't know why she gets so much press.
No, actually I understand why she gets so much press. She's a conservative that speaks bluntly and provocatively. The media loves that. But why do gun nuts spend so much time arguing about her?
Post by: wmenorr67 on March 06, 2007, 07:46:15 AM
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I still don't know why she gets so much press.
Because she gets ratings.
On another note. Why isn't there as big, if not bigger, outrage over Bill Mahar's comment that it was a shame that Dick Cheney didn't get killed in the bomb attack in Afghanistan, more or less?
Post by: Sindawe on March 06, 2007, 08:26:11 AM
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Why isn't there as big, if not bigger, outrage over Bill Mahar's comment that it was a shame that Dick Cheney didn't get killed in the bomb attack in Afghanistan, more or less?
Its because all the right thinking people in media KNOW that Repugnicans are the root of all that is evil, nasty and icky in the world. So its only right that barbs targeting Repugnicans are ignored as harmless fun.Speak similar about the good, enlightened and cuddly Democrats and it only proves the point that Repugnicans are evil, nasty and icky.
You know wmenorr67, you REALLY should wear those rose colored glasses and drink the Kool-Aid so graciously provided the media. Its for your own good after all....
Post by: BryanP on March 06, 2007, 08:46:36 AM
I'm just not into the whole skeletal look, whether it be Ann Coulter or her long lost twin Maria Shriver.
Post by: The Rabbi on March 06, 2007, 08:58:42 AM
Post by: mtnbkr on March 06, 2007, 09:00:37 AM
BryanP, you need a beer. In a bad way.
Trying to get him drunk?Bryan, I wouldn't worry about the skeletal girls. Be afraid of roofie-beer laden Rabbis.
Chris
Post by: The Rabbi on March 06, 2007, 09:02:08 AM
Post by: BryanP on March 06, 2007, 09:04:05 AM
No beer for me today. I've never been much of a drinker anyway and I'm trying to drop a few (dozen) pounds.
Post by: SomeKid on March 06, 2007, 09:47:22 AM
Can anyone honestly say that this is anything less than pretty? (It is a bit old, back when she had a bit more curves, and used makeup really well.)
If you don't think that there is pretty, your an Edwards. Yah, I said it.
Post by: CAnnoneer on March 06, 2007, 10:05:35 AM
Post by: roo_ster on March 06, 2007, 10:48:37 AM
Perhaps y'all would prefer Andrea Dworkin was still around to work Fox News & saying stuff like, "Sexism is the foundation on which all tyranny is built. Every social form of hierarchy and abuse is modeled on male-over-female domination," and "Seduction is often difficult to distinguish from rape. In seduction, the rapist often bothers to buy a bottle of wine."
Post by: SteveS on March 06, 2007, 11:30:37 AM
That being said, what commentators do you like?
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 06, 2007, 12:16:04 PM
Once in awhile even Hitler made good points....didn't make him less of an ahole though.
At least we got to the second page of this thread before the inevitable comparison of a conservative with Hitler . . . Just to be clear, I hold her in exactly the same regard as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, James Carville....etc etc. All are political hatchet men, spin machines, rhetoric makers. When those kind of people run thier sucks, it just drives me further and further away from the two corrupt political parties into the arms of third parties.....
Post by: Monkeyleg on March 06, 2007, 01:16:31 PM
Cal Thomas, Charles Krauthammer, and George Will all make excellent points without the carnival atmosphere. But they're in the business of writing seriously.
I enjoy Ann Coulter, in the same way that I enjoy Robin Williams.
Post by: Iain on March 06, 2007, 01:21:26 PM
Ann Coulter is in the business of selling books. The more outrageous she is, the more books she sells.
And she certainly does sell books. All five have made NYT's best seller lists. I have a grudging respect for that.
Post by: Standing Wolf on March 06, 2007, 03:47:22 PM
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She's a MAN baby!
I think you need to get nearly nose to nose with a good optometrist.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 06, 2007, 04:45:34 PM
Post by: roo_ster on March 06, 2007, 05:26:14 PM
Jfruser, that is a seriously scary picture. My vote goes for neither of them.
That being said, what commentators do you like?
SteveS:That being said, what commentators do you like?
I feared if I did the usual image link, some of our more frail & elderly readers might not be with us tomorrow.
I have had either no cable or hoopty* cable for the last five years. None of the cable news channels in my residence. Discovery channel is as exciting as it gets.
I do catch some bit of video on the net, however.
So, I doubt I am the best judge in these matters, anymore. My old favorite was Bob Novak on Crossfire. I loved the way he'd smile, just before going in for the kill. Prince of Darkness, indeed.
If we expand the role of commentator to radio folk, I liked G Gordon Liddy the best. I don't know if he even still has a show. I haven't been able to hear him in years.
The liberal commentators almost always suffered from a case of taking themselves & the world too seriously. Or, they all had a corn cob stuffed up their 4th point of contact. It was hard to tell which. My favorite of them was Bob Beckel. He had hte least amount of cob, I'd wager, and I bet he would be a good man to have on your side in a bar fight.
I'd give fistful's left kidney for a website to download all the old Bill Buckley Firing Line shows. Never has a man been so articulate while sounding like he had a mouth full of spighetti. To think that the man's father was a Texas oil man.
* The cable you can get for a net of $2. I already had/have a cable modem. To add the cheapest cable TV service is $12, but I get a $10 discount for already having the cable modem.
Post by: roo_ster on March 06, 2007, 05:32:14 PM
And Ann needs to get up close and personal with some chicken-fried steak and gravy. And lots of buttered rolls.
Ann is from Connecticut (spelling? paging all yankees...). She wouldn't know what to do with a chicken fried steak, the poor dear. She would need a yankee-to-middle-america native guide to help her with the finer points of CFS.I could show her a couple places to get to-die-for CFS in the Dallas area. Guaranteed to put on a pound, clog your arteries, and soften the countenence of the most vituperous commentatrix.
Post by: mustanger98 on March 06, 2007, 05:43:27 PM
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She wouldn't know what to do with a chicken fried steak, the poor dear. She would need a yankee-to-middle-america native guide to help her with the finer points of CFS.
I could help her out with deer steak and bisquits and gravy in Georgia.
But then she'd have to put up with Mexican food from a restraunt run by Mexicans too. I don't know if that'd work. She might put our local newspaper on the map though.
Post by: SteveS on March 06, 2007, 06:15:08 PM
So, I doubt I am the best judge in these matters, anymore. My old favorite was Bob Novak on Crossfire. I loved the way he'd smile, just before going in for the kill. Prince of Darkness, indeed.
If we expand the role of commentator to radio folk, I liked G Gordon Liddy the best. I don't know if he even still has a show. I haven't been able to hear him in years.
The liberal commentators almost always suffered from a case of taking themselves & the world too seriously. Or, they all had a corn cob stuffed up their 4th point of contact. It was hard to tell which. My favorite of them was Bob Beckel. He had hte least amount of cob, I'd wager, and I bet he would be a good man to have on your side in a bar fight.
I'd give fistful's left kidney for a website to download all the old Bill Buckley Firing Line shows. Never has a man been so articulate while sounding like he had a mouth full of spighetti. To think that the man's father was a Texas oil man.
If we expand the role of commentator to radio folk, I liked G Gordon Liddy the best. I don't know if he even still has a show. I haven't been able to hear him in years.
The liberal commentators almost always suffered from a case of taking themselves & the world too seriously. Or, they all had a corn cob stuffed up their 4th point of contact. It was hard to tell which. My favorite of them was Bob Beckel. He had hte least amount of cob, I'd wager, and I bet he would be a good man to have on your side in a bar fight.
I'd give fistful's left kidney for a website to download all the old Bill Buckley Firing Line shows. Never has a man been so articulate while sounding like he had a mouth full of spighetti. To think that the man's father was a Texas oil man.
I always liked G. Gordon, too. I know he isn't on areound here anymore. The station that used to carry him has Rush, O'Reilly, and Sean Hannity.
Does anyone remember the old SNL bits with Dana Carvey doing one of the talk show hosts? The guest would be in the middle of something and he would interrupt them by yelling, "wrong!"
Post by: wmenorr67 on March 06, 2007, 08:22:51 PM
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You know wmenorr67, you REALLY should wear those rose colored glasses and drink the Kool-Aid so graciously provided the media. Its for your own good after all....
The rose colored glasses that the media wants me to wear are not ballestic so over here in Iraq I can't wear them. And ever since the Democrats took over Congress they cut our Kool-Aid funding.
In reality being in the military I have found normally makes you immune to that crap. However, we still have our nut jobs who buy into it also.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 06, 2007, 08:25:00 PM
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Ann is from Connecticut (spelling? paging all yankees...). She wouldn't know what to do with a chicken fried steak, the poor dear.
"Vituperous commentatrix" that she is, I think she's predatory enough to know what meat is for. Eating! Great phrase, there. I used to call my wife my navigatrix,* but it sounded too much like another word, so she made me quit.
*She knows the local streets better than I do.
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 07, 2007, 02:28:33 AM
And Ann needs to get up close and personal with some chicken-fried steak and gravy. And lots of buttered rolls.
I don't care who you are, that there is funny.......
I like skinny women just fine, but not skelatal....and Ann Coulter is skelatal.....
hot:
not hot:
15lbs would do that woman some good. My wife just lost 10lbs, maybe she can donate it to Coulter.......
Post by: The Rabbi on March 07, 2007, 04:49:25 AM
And Ann needs to get up close and personal with some chicken-fried steak and gravy. And lots of buttered rolls.
Hye Fistful, if you like women with some meat on them, here's a hotty for ya:
That's Donna "Boom Boom" Shalala, btw.
Post by: Ron on March 07, 2007, 06:09:17 AM
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Does anyone remember the old SNL bits with Dana Carvey doing one of the talk show hosts? The guest would be in the middle of something and he would interrupt them by yelling, "wrong!"
I think they were making fun of the PBS show " The McLaughlin Group".
Before cable I watched that show religiously. I hated that arrogant ass Jack Germond.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 07, 2007, 06:54:26 AM
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That's Donna "Boom Boom" Shalala, btw.
Oh, yeah. That's so hot.
Post by: The Rabbi on March 07, 2007, 07:11:17 AM
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That's Donna "Boom Boom" Shalala, btw.
Oh, yeah. That's so hot.
We're sick, Fistful. No question about it.
Post by: CAnnoneer on March 07, 2007, 10:16:52 AM
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