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Title: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Brad Johnson on May 06, 2020, 09:56:49 AM
Dallas salon owner Shelley Luther sentenced to a week in jail. Her crime? Trying to keep herself and her fellow beauticians financially afloat during a police-state lockdown.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-lockdown-dallas-woman-7-days-jail-refusing-to-close-salon-shelley-luther/

I looked up the judge on FB. Unabashed Obama supporter, pics and all. I hope the case gets picked up by some liberty-minded group and hizzoner gets the notoriety he rightfully deserves.

https://www.facebook.com/eric.v.moye

A GoFundMe account has been set up for the salon owner's legal bills.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/kpzy2g-salon-a-la-mode

Brad
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: WLJ on May 06, 2020, 09:59:38 AM
Meanwhile they're releasing rapists and burglars because they don't want them to catch C19.  
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: makattak on May 06, 2020, 10:02:52 AM
Dallas salon owner Shelley Luther sentenced to a week in jail. Her crime? Trying to keep herself and her fellow beauticians financially afloat during a police-state lockdown.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-lockdown-dallas-woman-7-days-jail-refusing-to-close-salon-shelley-luther/

I looked up the judge on FB. Unabashed Obama supporter, pics and all. I hope the case gets picked up by some liberty-minded group and hizzoner gets the notoriety he rightfully deserves.

https://www.facebook.com/eric.v.moye

A GoFundMe account has been set up for the salon owner's legal bills.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/kpzy2g-salon-a-la-mode

Brad

OH. It gets better.

She's not in jail for breaking the lockdown. She's in jail because she refused to kowtow to the state and say she was wrong and selfish.

THAT'S even more egregious. She's in jail for the thoughtcrime more than the actual crime.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 06, 2020, 10:07:09 AM
The part I really don't get is that they want her to apologize and say she was wrong and selfish. If it was a mala in se sort of crime, I could maybe understand, but even then, when did judges become Sunday school teachers? ???
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: dogmush on May 06, 2020, 10:46:42 AM
I feel like there ought to be pretty easy First Ammendment grounds to appeal a jail sentance for saying (or not saying) something.

Although she's missing out on a great oppurtunity to deadpan a proforma apology with a morse code message torn into her sweater.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 06, 2020, 10:58:39 AM
She looks a bit like Charlize Theron.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Northwoods on May 06, 2020, 11:27:46 AM
She looks a bit like Charlize Theron.

From which movie? The prostitute/serial killer one? 
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: dogmush on May 06, 2020, 01:27:44 PM
I find it interesting that the court issued a Temporary Restraining Order based on the Gov's order, then sentenced her to jail for violating the TRO.

Neatly sidesteps any criminal charges, so she can't demand a jury.  Also, some nice mission creep from the TRO process that "is used to protect women from abusers ".  Red Flag Order is probably inbound.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Brad Johnson on May 06, 2020, 01:54:20 PM
Hizzoner the Guv weighs in.

https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/state-regional/gov-abbott-releases-statement-about-jailing-of-dallas-salon-owner/?fbclid=IwAR0uz3UQFh26_GLFEjDmowKJn9ojSK9YWLSDgNZAhbIdDvfarM03Xi6rj9Y

I support a lot of what he does for Texas but him scowling at a situation that's directly tied to his state shutdown orders is the height of hypocrisy. There are more than a few folks who need to be bitch-slapped right now.

Brad
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: MechAg94 on May 06, 2020, 02:40:04 PM
Hizzoner the Guv weighs in.

https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/state-regional/gov-abbott-releases-statement-about-jailing-of-dallas-salon-owner/?fbclid=IwAR0uz3UQFh26_GLFEjDmowKJn9ojSK9YWLSDgNZAhbIdDvfarM03Xi6rj9Y

I support a lot of what he does for Texas but him scowling at a situation that's directly tied to his state shutdown orders is the height of hypocrisy. There are more than a few folks who need to be bitch-slapped right now.

Brad
Given the judge made it part of a restraining order, I am not sure what the Governor has the power to do.  What is the appeal process for that sort of thing?  Or is there one?
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Brad Johnson on May 06, 2020, 02:54:03 PM
Now TX Attorney General Paxton has waded into the fray...

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/05/06/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-immediate-release-jailed-dallas-salon-owner-shelley-luther/?fbclid=IwAR1-NYv7PuY3h85iZch7oJ74HaxVU0_Ghfsv8n26tCMYT3piO4Bpe5IYlQI

Statement, summarized:
(1) You overstepped your authority.
2) Even if were a jailable offense, the punishment is ridiculously disproportionate with the supposed crime.
3) We have our eye on you.

Brad
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Brad Johnson on May 06, 2020, 03:00:48 PM
Given the judge made it part of a restraining order, I am not sure what the Governor has the power to do.  What is the appeal process for that sort of thing?  Or is there one?

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Unknown, but presume there is.

Judge Moy is an unabashed liberal Obama supporter with a history of hotheadedness (google Carlos Cortez, Eric V. Moy, assault) and a penchant for overzealous procedural adherence. The lady didn't respect his authoritah and had to be punished. Given his history, the fact that she's white and conservative likely played a part, too.

Brad
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Brad Johnson on May 06, 2020, 04:36:52 PM
New and improved Gestapo tactics... SWAT team raid on a bar owner who dares open for business because they can't afford to stay closed any longer.

https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/state-regional/swat-team-raids-texas-bar-for-reopening-hosting-protest/?fbclid=IwAR1bsz1IkiAirkU5tcIIp5m7Sch8hZIbG3kscIAy5ZoDchHZ9jWQBs2epiU

Police departments really need to be careful right now. Some of them are going full retard. This is prima facie evidence.

They need to be careful who they pick on, too. This was in Odessa, a west Texas roughneck, redneck, rough-and-tumble oil town with hot tempers and lots of folks with questionable morals, flexible ethics, and plenty of firepower. They're already on edge because of recent oil price plunges and the related job losses. Not folks who's buttons I'd want to go around punching. I go through Odessa occasionally, but only if I'm well-strapped and have plenty of daylight. More than a few there who wouldn't think twice about going back to prison for popping some jackhole who's abusing Badge & Gun privileges.

Brad
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Andiron on May 06, 2020, 10:27:50 PM
Accountability Roster.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: makattak on May 06, 2020, 11:02:37 PM
New and improved Gestapo tactics... SWAT team raid on a bar owner who dares open for business because they can't afford to stay closed any longer.

https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/state-regional/swat-team-raids-texas-bar-for-reopening-hosting-protest/?fbclid=IwAR1bsz1IkiAirkU5tcIIp5m7Sch8hZIbG3kscIAy5ZoDchHZ9jWQBs2epiU

Police departments really need to be careful right now. Some of them are going full retard. This is prima facie evidence.

They need to be careful who they pick on, too. This was in Odessa, a west Texas roughneck, redneck, rough-and-tumble oil town with hot tempers and lots of folks with questionable morals, flexible ethics, and plenty of firepower. They're already on edge because of recent oil price plunges and the related job losses. Not folks who's buttons I'd want to go around punching. I go through there occasionally, but only if I'm well-strapped and have plenty of daylight. More than a few there who wouldn't think twice about going back to prison for popping some jackhole who's abusing Badge & Gun privileges.

Brad

Odessa's err... "finest" didn't seem to be quite up for a sustained.... Well, anything really. Standing looked like it would wind the members of "Meal Team Six"* that went all gestapo on the peaceful protestors.

It won't go well if those types of people you mention decide to resist.


*I stole that from elsewhere. I also liked "Porker, Texas Ranger" and "Green Buffets" and "Size 54 Where are you?"
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 06, 2020, 11:20:38 PM
This shows just how civilized and generally peaceful your average gun toting, law abiding redneck really is.
Until you push them too far. We aren't there yet, I hope we don't get there ever. But damn, the jackboots are starting to push their luck.

Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: HankB on May 06, 2020, 11:28:53 PM
This shows just how civilized and generally peaceful your average gun toting, law abiding redneck really is.
Americans have always been generally peaceful and law abiding. Back in the 18th Century, it took years - decades! - of increasingly abusive British misrule of their colonies in North America before "the shot heard 'round the world" was finally fired.

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Until you push them too far. We aren't there yet, I hope we don't get there ever. But damn, the jackboots are starting to push their luck.
Revolutions aren't fun - for anyone involved. Let's hope sanity prevails and the lefties step back from the brink.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Brad Johnson on May 07, 2020, 10:43:47 AM
Apparently Meal Team Six didn't go unnoticed (I am flagrantly ripping that off for daily use, by the way. Coffee coming our your nose hurts.)

https://www.facebook.com/ectorcountysheriffsoffice/

Aside from a smattering of "Thank You's", the preponderance of comments is decidedly negative, evenly split between "Get a brain, moron" and "Get some insulin, stat". Entertaining, for sure.

Brad
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: MechAg94 on May 07, 2020, 11:20:12 AM
Americans have always been generally peaceful and law abiding. Back in the 18th Century, it took years - decades! - of increasingly abusive British misrule of their colonies in North America before "the shot heard 'round the world" was finally fired.
Revolutions aren't fun - for anyone involved. Let's hope sanity prevails and the lefties step back from the brink.

The little I have heard about past vigilante groups in the US, it was the same.  It took some pretty over the top actions to force people to take action and even then they often didn't kill them. 
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Brad Johnson on May 07, 2020, 11:34:12 AM
Governor Abbott issues amendment to his EO clarifying that jail time is not an option when it comes to folks who's businesses were shut down through no action of their own.

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/96683576_10163707239040088_1213887938308341760_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=M8ywhQxXWisAX_GsTNw&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=d3d30fc2ec53cb5bfd07ea1e3eb6c70a&oe=5EDAFDA0

(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/96683576_10163707239040088_1213887938308341760_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=M8ywhQxXWisAX_GsTNw&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=d3d30fc2ec53cb5bfd07ea1e3eb6c70a&oe=5EDAFDA0)

Also, the Ector County Sheriff is in some serious hot water with his constabulary. I'm seeing several reports that crowds are increasingly gathering outside his personal home, and not for pie and ice cream. I hope they keep their wits about them and their heads on straight or this could turn bad.

Brad
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Brad Johnson on May 07, 2020, 12:53:37 PM
Texas Supreme Court has spoken on the Salon a la Mode case. Set her free, or else.

https://www.kcbd.com/2020/05/07/texas-gov-greg-abbott-updates-executive-order-protect-dallas-salon-owner-others-who-ignore-shutdown-orders/?fbclid=IwAR2leVegKs-em84xHYfxfOy7_redwnzrdwFYZqhhewb9OgLjyMBo-2VI7Wo

Maybe this is a turning point but I'm not holding my breath.

Brad
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: MechAg94 on May 07, 2020, 04:01:15 PM


Also, the Ector County Sheriff is in some serious hot water with his constabulary. I'm seeing several reports that crowds are increasingly gathering outside his personal home, and not for pie and ice cream. I hope they keep their wits about them and their heads on straight or this could turn bad.

Brad
Sometimes I think it would be healthy in the long run for some bad stuff to happen to law enforcement officials who exceed their authority.  I just hope the people involved are judicious in their use of force, pick the right targets, and don't all get slammed by the law in response.  At the least, I hope they throw him out of office the next election.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 07, 2020, 09:25:35 PM

A GoFundMe account has been set up for the salon owner's legal bills.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/kpzy2g-salon-a-la-mode


That GoFundMe is no longer accepting contributions. Does anyone know why?
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Andiron on May 07, 2020, 09:45:12 PM
That GoFundMe is no longer accepting contributions. Does anyone know why?

Because they're against using it for anyone right of Marx?
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: WLJ on May 07, 2020, 10:06:14 PM
Because they're against using it for anyone right of Marx?

There are certain members of congress that if Marx was alive today would probably label him a far right extremist  
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Andiron on May 07, 2020, 10:18:09 PM
There are certain members of congress that if Marx was alive today would probably label him a far right extremist  

My first comment on this thread surmises my opinion on that.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 08, 2020, 01:04:18 AM
That GoFundMe is no longer accepting contributions. Does anyone know why?

Isn't the state government coming out pretty strongly on her side? Is she behind bars right now? She may not have any further legal bills.

The Daily Wire says she closed the GoFundMe after it topped a half-million dollars.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: MechAg94 on May 08, 2020, 10:31:41 AM
Isn't the state government coming out pretty strongly on her side? Is she behind bars right now? She may not have any further legal bills.

The Daily Wire says she closed the GoFundMe after it topped a half-million dollars.
I thought I heard there was still some follow up legal action by the city that was still alive and well, but I forget where I saw that.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: fifth_column on May 08, 2020, 03:18:17 PM
Heh.  Cruz got a haircut:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ted-cruz-gets-haircut-at-dallas-salon-where-owner-was-jailed (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ted-cruz-gets-haircut-at-dallas-salon-where-owner-was-jailed)
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 08, 2020, 04:25:55 PM
Heh.  Cruz got a haircut:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ted-cruz-gets-haircut-at-dallas-salon-where-owner-was-jailed (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ted-cruz-gets-haircut-at-dallas-salon-where-owner-was-jailed)

Nice.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Battle Monkey of Zardoz on May 11, 2020, 11:12:49 AM
I work in the Permian Basin, been working there for the last 10 years. The Meal Team raid was bad. Folks in the Permian that once believed that cops would not take your guns if the order was given are re thinking that belief.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Brad Johnson on May 11, 2020, 12:04:53 PM
I think it just got more interesting. I took a look at the Ector County Sheriff's facebook page this morning and every post back to April 17 is gone (they were giving daily COVID case number updates). It now simply says "Under Maintenance".

Now we have another civil liberties issue... censorship. There have been rulings specifically stating that governments and public officials using FB as an official means of disseminating information cannot edit or delete comments posted there, or censor or ban individuals for posting them.

https://www.govtech.com/social/Can-Elected-Officials-Censor-Their-Critics-on-Social-Media.html

Looks like Sheriff Mike just took his Trouble Sundae and made it a Deluxe. I don't see he and the Buffet Brigade getting out of this one soon, or cheaply.

Brad
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Battle Monkey of Zardoz on May 11, 2020, 04:21:36 PM
Sheriff Is full of *expletive deleted*it.

https://www.oaoa.com/news/local/article_520b2d78-8f1d-11ea-bd6f-3b0b89933742.html?mode=jqm
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Brad Johnson on May 11, 2020, 04:45:53 PM
An interesting twist, though unrelated. Gov Abbott's chair of Emergency Communications is an Ector County judge.

https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/abbott-names-hays-chair-of-commission-on-state-emergency-communications

Brad
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 11, 2020, 05:15:01 PM
One of these days "they" are gonna try to pull one of these "respect my authority" events and we are going to have another Waco.

Another thing these incidents across the country should show everyone is that the cops WILL follow orders if they are ever told to confiscate guns.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: bedlamite on May 11, 2020, 05:38:33 PM

Another thing these incidents across the country should show everyone is that the cops WILL follow orders if they are ever told to confiscate guns.

That's been obvious since Katrina
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: MechAg94 on May 11, 2020, 05:39:30 PM
One of these days "they" are gonna try to pull one of these "respect my authority" events and we are going to have another Waco.

Another thing these incidents across the country should show everyone is that the cops WILL follow orders if they are ever told to confiscate guns.
I would at least say that there are plenty that will even if not all of them.  Enough of them and scattered around enough that you really won't be able to say you are "safe" in your area.

I would hope that events like this one both get voters thinking about the local elections more and get LEO's thinking more about what they would be willing to do.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Brad Johnson on May 11, 2020, 05:40:08 PM
Oh, and the good sheriff is on Gov Abbott's Commission on Law Enforcement.

https://www.newswest9.com/article/news/local/sheriff-griffis-appointed-texas-commission-law-enforcement/513-b537dc30-233f-4737-82e0-93ac1f7b3b1d

https://www.tcole.texas.gov/

https://www.facebook.com/txcole/

If the Governor Abbott is any kind of man, he'll be tearing Sheriff Griffis a new ahole right now. If TCOLE has any integrity (and common sense), they'll be inviting him to kindly tender his resignation.

Brad
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: MechAg94 on May 11, 2020, 05:45:52 PM
It also underscores that while Texas has a lot of things going for it, there are some areas where we have a lot of overly broad regulations open to abuse, the alcohol regulations appear to one.  I saw the definition of what they could consider "premises" near that bar and it sounded like they could pick someone up down the street in a Walmart parking lot and make the same charge. 
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Ben on May 11, 2020, 06:22:50 PM
It also underscores that while Texas has a lot of things going for it, there are some areas where we have a lot of overly broad regulations open to abuse, the alcohol regulations appear to one.  I saw the definition of what they could consider "premises" near that bar and it sounded like they could pick someone up down the street in a Walmart parking lot and make the same charge.  

The whole alcohol thing has always bugged me regarding guns. I'm sure some will disagree with me, but even beyond carrying in a place that serves alcohol, if you can't handle a beer, then don't carry and drink a beer. Simple. People meet up for lunch to have a burger and beer all the time, then get back in their cars and drive home, no drinking and driving problems with Johnny Law. But in some of those same states, if you just enter an establishment armed, look out.

I like the way they do it here. You can't be intoxicated and carry a gun. Doesn't mean you can't go into a bar and have a beer, or a glass of water.

Late edit: I just saw I left out a closing quote bracket and it made it look like what I wrote was a quote from mech.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: HankB on May 13, 2020, 06:43:38 PM
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I like the way they do it here. You can't be intoxicated and carry a gun. Doesn't mean you can't go into a bar and have a beer, or a glass of water.
In TX you can't go into an establishment while carrying that makes 51% of its sales in alcohol for on-premises consumption, which means most bars are off limits to licensed carry. The term "intoxicated" AFAIK has NOT had any case law established in regard to licensed carry; the assumption (always a dangerous word) is that it has the ordinary meaning. Note that under TX law, there is no requirement to take a BAC or field sobriety test if you are carrying - unless you're also driving a motor vehicle.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Ben on May 13, 2020, 07:10:10 PM
The term "intoxicated" AFAIK has NOT had any case law established in regard to licensed carry;

That's certainly a danger. Without some number like a BAC, it will be left up to the cop, which could be good or bad.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: MechAg94 on May 14, 2020, 01:26:36 PM
In TX you can't go into an establishment while carrying that makes 51% of its sales in alcohol for on-premises consumption, which means most bars are off limits to licensed carry. The term "intoxicated" AFAIK has NOT had any case law established in regard to licensed carry; the assumption (always a dangerous word) is that it has the ordinary meaning. Note that under TX law, there is no requirement to take a BAC or field sobriety test if you are carrying - unless you're also driving a motor vehicle.
It doesn't help that the State sends those 51% signs to every establishment with a liquor license and many put them up with the other signs whether they actually make 51% of their income from alcohol sales or not 
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: HankB on May 15, 2020, 11:11:58 AM
That's certainly a danger. Without some number like a BAC, it will be left up to the cop, which could be good or bad.
Without a BAC or the results of a field sobriety test, the cop will have to be able to articulate in court before a judge why you were a danger to yourself or others because of your intoxication based solely on his observations of your behavior. I've been told by an attorney that this is actually pretty difficult when no motor vehicle is involved, but in case of a bad cop, it will probably become a situation where "you'll beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride."

Quote from: MechAg94
It doesn't help that the State sends those 51% signs to every establishment with a liquor license and many put them up with the other signs whether they actually make 51% of their income from alcohol sales or not 
It's my understanding that posting a 51% sign in a non-51% establishment is considered a violation by the TABC, but it's unlikely any action will be taken other than telling the establishment to remove it.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: French G. on May 15, 2020, 12:21:16 PM
My 220 lb self will drink up to two beers and carry, shoot, hunt whatever. Legal for a 4000lb 65mph killing machine at that level.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Brad Johnson on May 26, 2020, 10:35:57 AM
I work in the Permian Basin, been working there for the last 10 years. The Meal Team raid was bad. Folks in the Permian that once believed that cops would not take your guns if the order was given are re thinking that belief.

Any local updates? Over the weekend I tried to find an update but my Google Fu is weak.

ETA: Looks like Open Carry Texas is returning. I don't particularly care for their tone, which I think is caustic, inflammatory, and overly confrontational, but the part of me which usually cautions patience, decorum, and diplomacy is plumb out of shits to give. The Sheriff painted a big political target on his chest with his own poor decision-making. If he doesn't like it, maybe he'll get his head out of his ass before doing something this abysmally stupid again.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Open-Carry-Texas-plans-rally-to-teach-Ector-15288789.php

Brad
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 26, 2020, 08:51:28 PM
 [popcorn]

Twin Peaks II Coming soon to a Texas near you!

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/04/03/biker-shootout-texas-twin-peaks/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2019/04/03/biker-shootout-texas-twin-peaks/)
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: WLJ on May 26, 2020, 09:17:30 PM
[popcorn]

Twin Peaks II Coming soon to a Texas near you!

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/04/03/biker-shootout-texas-twin-peaks/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2019/04/03/biker-shootout-texas-twin-peaks/)

In the comments
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The story I got here in the DFW are was that the County was going to go broke with the costs of the trials... I don't know if that's ALL that was to this but it makes sense, and as far as I know, no innocent civilians were hurt or killed... Just MG members.

Very well could be the costs of such a large trial was too much for them
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: dogmush on May 27, 2020, 06:48:05 AM
Any local updates? Over the weekend I tried to find an update but my Google Fu is weak.

ETA: Looks like Open Carry Texas is returning. I don't particularly care for their tone, which I think is caustic, inflammatory, and overly confrontational, but the part of me which usually cautions patience, decorum, and diplomacy is plumb out of shits to give. The Sheriff painted a big political target on his chest with his own poor decision-making. If he doesn't like it, maybe he'll get his head out of his ass before doing something this abysmally stupid again.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Open-Carry-Texas-plans-rally-to-teach-Ector-15288789.php

Brad

I sympathize with Open Carry Texas. Their folks were scooped up by LARPers on BS charges that even a cursory reading of the law would show was wrong.

And I am well into NWA territory on department's that roll around in military gear like they are doing a cordon and search in Fallujah. If I were emperor for a day every one of those cops would be unemployed with their Law Enforcement certifications canceled. We have a real problem with petty tyranny in the US and that Sheriff seems to be on the forefront. If I thought it could end well with the Sheriff being cucked and embarrassed in public, I'd be cheering OCT.

However,  I suspect that the LEO's ego is too involved,  and Meal Team Six will just escalate until there are a bunch of innocent folks in jail, or someone gets shot.  Because whatever the first protest was doing, the second one is absolutely carrying firearms to "intimidate the police" and that idiot won't allow himself to appear publicly intimidated. So OCT will have to be forced to bend the knee, whatever it takes.

Sidenote: didn't someone show up to an OC protest recently with an AT-4?  We need that guy when they roll their MaxxPro out again.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Brad Johnson on May 27, 2020, 09:35:22 AM
Would be funny as hell if this guy showed up.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a28472/texas-man-parks-sherman-tank-in-his-front-yard/

Watch the Paunch Platoon collectively *expletive deleted*it their pants as the turret slowly traverses towards their little toy. Maybe even have a giant "BANG!" flag pop out of the barrel for comedic effect.

I'm usually fully supported of law enforcement, at least around these parts. Most of them are good folks doing their job with the proper mindset and sense of restraint. This group, however? I hope they get their asses handed to them, both in real court and the court of public opinion. What they did was nothing short of jackbooted thuggery.

Brad
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: MechAg94 on May 27, 2020, 10:33:51 AM
Would be funny as hell if this guy showed up.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a28472/texas-man-parks-sherman-tank-in-his-front-yard/

Watch the Paunch Platoon collectively *expletive deleted*it their pants as the turret slowly traverses towards their little toy. Maybe even have a giant "BANG!" flag pop out of the barrel for comedic effect.

I'm usually fully supported of law enforcement, at least around these parts. Most of them are good folks doing their job with the proper mindset and sense of restraint. This group, however? I hope they get their asses handed to them, both in real court and the court of public opinion. What they did was nothing short of jackbooted thuggery.

Brad
I think that tank has since gone to a muzeum.  That guy ran for mayor of Houston last year.  Lost.

I think the tank was only supposed to be there for a day or so, but after some complaints, he decided to leave it there a couple weeks.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: MechAg94 on May 27, 2020, 10:46:38 AM
In the comments
Very well could be the costs of such a large trial was too much for them
I think the entire case was completely mismanaged by the former prosecutor.  They arrested and held hundreds of people on $1 Million bonds.  I think they mismanaged the evidence and couldn't prove who did what.  There was also a lot of people asking how many people police sharpshooters shot.  I don't remember was the coroner's information showed. 

There are also numerous on-going lawsuits from all that so maybe they are trying to settle and put the whole thing behind them.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: MechAg94 on May 27, 2020, 10:49:10 AM
I sympathize with Open Carry Texas. Their folks were scooped up by LARPers on BS charges that even a cursory reading of the law would show was wrong.

And I am well into NWA territory on department's that roll around in military gear like they are doing a cordon and search in Fallujah. If I were emperor for a day every one of those cops would be unemployed with their Law Enforcement certifications canceled. We have a real problem with petty tyranny in the US and that Sheriff seems to be on the forefront. If I thought it could end well with the Sheriff being cucked and embarrassed in public, I'd be cheering OCT.

However,  I suspect that the LEO's ego is too involved,  and Meal Team Six will just escalate until there are a bunch of innocent folks in jail, or someone gets shot.  Because whatever the first protest was doing, the second one is absolutely carrying firearms to "intimidate the police" and that idiot won't allow himself to appear publicly intimidated. So OCT will have to be forced to bend the knee, whatever it takes.

Sidenote: didn't someone show up to an OC protest recently with an AT-4?  We need that guy when they roll their MaxxPro out again.
I don't remember the AT-4, but someone showed up to the Virginia protest last year carrying a Barrett 50. 
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Brad Johnson on June 08, 2020, 09:24:09 AM
Saturday's OCT follow-up protest wrapped without incident. No statement from Sheriff Griffis, who conveniently took the day off.

Brad
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Ben on June 08, 2020, 09:55:43 AM
Saturday's OCT follow-up protest wrapped without incident. No statement from Sheriff Griffis, who conveniently took the day off.

Brad

Even if the protest didn't involve BLM, I guess even that dummy knew that the optics of showing up with his MRAP and Meal Team would be horrible for him, given what has been going on the last couple of weeks.

It's a shame if riots are what caused him to rethink his policies.
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Brad Johnson on June 11, 2020, 03:16:56 PM
And now Sheriff Griffis has the unmitigated gall to start posting the Pledge of Allegiance to their FB page almost every day.

https://www.facebook.com/ectorcountysheriffsoffice/

It also appears they've been rigorously sanitizing comments to their FB posts. I thought a public office wasn't legally able to edit/restrict FB comments under Free Speech provisions?

Brad
Title: Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 11, 2020, 03:40:01 PM

It also appears they've been rigorously sanitizing comments to their FB posts. I though a public office wasn't legally able to edit/restrict FB comments under Free Speech provisions?


They aren't supposed to be allowed to do that, but I don't know if there is a SCOTUS ruling or only lower court rulings that might not apply in Texas unless/until someone sues and wins.

I'm still looking for the exact language of the sheriffs' oath of office. It might not hurt to remind him of that as a counter to the Pledge. I did find this:

https://www.sheriffstx.org/about

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Every Texas Sheriff, upon assuming their office, took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the great state of Texas. Of course, the Sheriffs of Texas are committed to uphold their oath of office. It goes without saying that Texas Sheriffs recognize that Amendment II of the Constitution provides that “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” and that Amendment IV provides that “the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated…”

[Edit to add] Found it:

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/CN/htm/CN.16.htm

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Sec. 1.  OFFICIAL OATH OF OFFICE.  (a) All elected and appointed officers, before they enter upon the duties of their offices, shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

"I, _______________________, do solemnly swear (or affirm), that I will faithfully execute the duties of the office of ___________________ of the State of Texas, and will to the best of my ability preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States and of this State, so help me God."