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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on July 20, 2020, 05:49:28 PM
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Tell me we're not simply going for black supremacy versus equality. None of these people want equality. BLM and white guilt liberals want role reversal for the past.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/07/20/associated-press-updates-its-style-guide-to-capitalize-black-while-white-remains-in-lowercase-to-avoid-subtly-conveying-legitimacy-to-white-supremacy/
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Anyone who's been paying attention shouldn't be surprised at this latest example of racist pandering by the media.
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Is there some woke contest going on that I don't know about? Maybe a woke decathalon or a woke-olympics?
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Is there some woke contest going on that I don't know about? Maybe a woke decathalon or a woke-olympics?
It's more like the woke World Super Series Bowl.
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:facepalm: This:
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev373c7wSRg#
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Started my career in an AP newspaper shop in 1989.
The AP Style Manual was *expletive deleted*it then, it's *expletive deleted*it now. I refuse to work anywhere where it's the primary manual.
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Strunk & White "Elements Of Style"
https://www.amazon.com/Elements-Style-Fourth-William-Strunk/dp/020530902X/
My "bible" in College English and Technical Writing (my major).
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Strunk & White "Elements Of Style"
https://www.amazon.com/Elements-Style-Fourth-William-Strunk/dp/020530902X/
My "bible" in College English and Technical Writing (my major).
3rd edition was the last good Strunk and White. After that, they started attacking the generic masculine and other deviated preversions.
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I probably used the 3rd or 2nd back when I was in college in the late 80's/early 90's. I just "grabbed" the first one that came up in the simple search for Strunk White "Elements Of Style"
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Hoo, boy.
This thread caused me to fire up Amazon in search of the third edition of Elements of Style. They had it, I ordered it, and it has arrived.
Once it arrived, I thought it looked vaguely familiar. There's good reason for that ... I already had two copies of it (both the third edition) sitting on the reference bookshelf on my computer desk. :facepalm:
Nonetheless, I'm not going to return it. There will soon come a day when it's not available. I've done the same thing with real thesauri. It's virtually impossible to find a "thesaurus" today that isn't just a dictionary of synonyms, masquerading as a thesaurus. Not the same thing, at all. I have at least a half dozen real thesauri (including three copies of one compact, paperback edition), and I don't plan to dispose of any of them. You almost can't get them any more.
You won't find a real thesaurus in Barnes & Noble -- I've looked. You can still find them on Amazon, though:
https://www.amazon.com/Rogets-International-Thesaurus-Barbara-Kipfer/dp/0061715212/ref=sr_1_3?crid=TMRYKJEUGZB6&dchild=1&keywords=roget%27s+international+thesaurus+8th+edition&qid=1596039169&sprefix=Roget%27s+%2Caps%2C191&sr=8-3
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Easter eggs...it won't be long.
=D
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Nonetheless, I'm not going to return it. There will soon come a day when it's not available. I've done the same thing with real thesauri. It's virtually impossible to find a "thesaurus" today that isn't just a dictionary of synonyms, masquerading as a thesaurus. Not the same thing, at all. I have at least a half dozen real thesauri (including three copies of one compact, paperback edition), and I don't plan to dispose of any of them. You almost can't get them any more.
Pardon my ignorance, but what's the difference? Honest question, the only thesaurus I have used is just a dictionary of synonyms.
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Pardon my ignorance, but what's the difference? Honest question, the only thesaurus I have used is just a dictionary of synonyms.
In what I call a "real" thesaurus, the book is split into two parts. The second half is an alphabetical index of words. For any word that carries multiple meanings or shades of meanings, each is listed as a separate subheading, followed by a numerical reference. The first half of the book is arranged numerically, and that's where you look up the words that might be used to convey exactly what you're looking for.
Example (from one of the smaller, pocket editions):
settle: establish 150
... be located 184
... come to rest 265
... subside 306
... decide 480, 609
... pay 807
-down: become stable 150
... locate oneself 184
So from the index we can see that the word "settle" can serve a number of different shades of meaning. From the list, you choose the one or two that are closest to what you want to say, and look those up. So, for "settle" in the sense of "decide," we find the following:
480: V judge, conclude, opine; come to (or arrive at) a conclusion; ascertain; determine.
deduce, derive, gather, collect, infer.
estimate, form an estimate, appreciate, value, count, assess, rate, rank, account; regard, consider, think of, size up [colloq.].
decide, settle; try, pronounce, rule; find, pass judgment, sentence, doom, decree; give (or deliver) judgment; adjudge, adjudicate; arbitrate, award; confirm.
review, comment, criticize; examine.
And that's all just from the first of two numerical references for "settle" in the sense of "decide." The dictionaries of synonyms just don't (and can't) convey the multitude of shades of meaning that the true thesaurus does.
Now ... if anyone is tempted to fire up Amazon and buy a "real" thesaurus ... get the 7th edition, not the 8th. There have been a LOT of complaints about the 8th edition. Basically, it seems that the 8th edition tried to save pages, so in the index they list only the key word and the numerical references, without telling you what shade(s) of meaning the numerical references relate to. Serious writers have been up in arms, and are pretty much in agreement that this makes the 8th edition functionally useless.
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That does seem much more useful. Thanks for the description =)
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In what I call a "real" thesaurus, the book is split into two parts. The second half is an alphabetical index of words. For any word that carries multiple meanings or shades of meanings, each is listed as a separate subheading, followed by a numerical reference. The first half of the book is arranged numerically, and that's where you look up the words that might be used to convey exactly what you're looking for.
Example (from one of the smaller, pocket editions):
settle: establish 150
... be located 184
... come to rest 265
... subside 306
... decide 480, 609
... pay 807
-down: become stable 150
... locate oneself 184
So from the index we can see that the word "settle" can serve a number of different shades of meaning. From the list, you choose the one or two that are closest to what you want to say, and look those up. So, for "settle" in the sense of "decide," we find the following:
480: V judge, conclude, opine; come to (or arrive at) a conclusion; ascertain; determine.
deduce, derive, gather, collect, infer.
estimate, form an estimate, appreciate, value, count, assess, rate, rank, account; regard, consider, think of, size up [colloq.].
decide, settle; try, pronounce, rule; find, pass judgment, sentence, doom, decree; give (or deliver) judgment; adjudge, adjudicate; arbitrate, award; confirm.
review, comment, criticize; examine.
And that's all just from the first of two numerical references for "settle" in the sense of "decide." The dictionaries of synonyms just don't (and can't) convey the multitude of shades of meaning that the true thesaurus does.
Now ... if anyone is tempted to fire up Amazon and buy a "real" thesaurus ... get the 7th edition, not the 8th. There have been a LOT of complaints about the 8th edition. Basically, it seems that the 8th edition tried to save pages, so in the index they list only the key word and the numerical references, without telling you what shade(s) of meaning the numerical references relate to. Serious writers have been up in arms, and are pretty much in agreement that this makes the 8th edition functionally useless.
I'm so glad you went through that exercise. Thank you.
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More on their reasoning:
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/07/29/ap-stylebook-explains-why-decision-to-use-lowercase-for-white-was-more-complicated-than-choice-to-capitalize-black/
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When they have to go into multiple attempts to explain it, they know they *expletive deleted*ed up, they're catching a lot of heat for *expletive deleted*ing up, but they're too stupid/stubborn/woke/douchy to admit they *expletive deleted*ed up.
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And now the Washington Post, which decided to capitalize W, is now coming under fire.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-draws-backlash-over-decision-to-capitalize-white
Apparently when you're the wokest son of a gun in town, you're still not woke enough.
Some of the twitter comments are... well... wow. Just wow.
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Some people wrote something about some other people.
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The planet names are next. How can we be so cruel as to make black children look up into the sky and see white gods over them. They might start doing poorly in school because of the shame.
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And now the Washington Post, which decided to capitalize W, is now coming under fire.
You mean the washington post.
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The planet names are next. How can we be so cruel as to make black children look up into the sky and see white gods over them. They might start doing poorly in school because of the shame.
In order to rectify this, I propose that when the presence of a 10th planet is officially verified, it be named Malcolm.
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In order to rectify this, I propose that when the presence of a 10th planet is officially verified, it be named Malcolm.
But when a tenth planet is officially verified, it won't be the tenth planet, because "science" has now decreed that Pluto isn't a planet, it's only a planetoid.
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Earth needs to check it's planet privilege and stop holding other heavenly bodies back.
It's only [solar] systemic planetism that has allowed the inner planets to hoard all the heat and light at the expense of the downtrodden outer planets.
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Some are suggesting that it could be a small back hole responsible for the orbital patterns which is why we haven't found it yet.
Which brings up the question. Which is PC, black hole or Black hole?
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Going on the thread veer of trying to find a good thesaurus in this modern age; I have wondered about dictionaries, especially the online variety. When getting into online debates at times I've tried to look up if websites like dictionary.com or merriam-webster.com ever had different definitions of words to see if they've tried to subtly change certain words, but they don't put any of that type of information up from what I've been able to see.
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Going on the thread veer of trying to find a good thesaurus in this modern age; I have wondered about dictionaries, especially the online variety. When getting into online debates at times I've tried to look up if websites like dictionary.com or merriam-webster.com ever had different definitions of words to see if they've tried to subtly change certain words, but they don't put any of that type of information up from what I've been able to see.
You have to be an olde pharte, like me, and have old books. I have a copy of the Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary from when I was in high school in the early 1960s. I also have my father's Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary from when he was in college in the 1920s.
And, of course, there's always this: http://webstersdictionary1828.com/
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A few years ago, I was at a thrift store that had a row of dictionaries from various publishers. They had maybe 10 or 15, not counting the duplicates. I found the definition for marriage in each one, and photographed it, just for kicks. Disgustingly inclusive they were, what with demanding both sexes be involved...
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A few years ago, I was at a thrift store that had a row of dictionaries from various publishers. They had maybe 10 or 15, not counting the duplicates. I found the definition for marriage in each one, and photographed it, just for kicks. Disgustingly inclusive they were, what with demanding both sexes be involved...
Well, out of curiosity let's see what the definition of "marriage" was in 1828:
MAR'RIAGE, noun [Latin mas, maris.] The act of uniting a man and woman for life; wedlock; the legal union of a man and woman for life. marriage is a contract both civil and religious, by which the parties engage to live together in mutual affection and fidelity, till death shall separate them. marriage was instituted by God himself for the purpose of preventing the promiscuous intercourse of the sexes, for promoting domestic felicity, and for securing the maintenance and education of children.
Marriage is honorable in all and the bed undefiled. Hebrews 13:4
1. A feast made on the occasion of a marriage
The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king, who made a marriage for his son. Matthew 22:2.
2. In a scriptural sense, the union between Christ and his church by the covenant of grace. Revelation 19:7.
As compared to the current definition on Merriam-Webster online:
marriage noun
mar·riage | \ ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij \
Definition of marriage
1a see usage paragraph below : the state of being united as spouses in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law
b : the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock
c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
2 : an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3 : an intimate or close union the marriage of painting and poetry— J. T. Shawcross
I think I prefer the 1828 definition. It seems the damage had already been done by 1989:
marriage \ˈmar-ij\ 1: the state of being married 2: a wedding ceremony and attendant festivities 3: a close union