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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MillCreek on December 23, 2020, 10:53:05 AM
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https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/boomers-are-showing-worse-cognitive-decline-than-previous-generations/?fbclid=IwAR3Wt5O3Ed0PjRPs68WmJzwNrPm_2Z4zFiiLZkFkfGEV72KwuVqlrcEgx60
https://academic.oup.com/psychsocgerontology/article-abstract/doi/10.1093/geronb/gbaa107/5877935?redirectedFrom=fulltext
Baby boomers are showing a decline in cognitive function compared to other older age groups. Uh oh.
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Cognitive sharpness appeared to improve generation after generation, starting with the so-called greatest generation (born 1890-1923) and peaking among war babies (born 1942-1947). However, scores started to slip in the early baby boomers (born 1948-1953) and further decreased in the mid-baby boomers (born 1954-1959). This remained true across people from all races, ethnicities, education levels, and financial wealth.
Uh oh is right. I was born in the last month of the last year of the boomers, which apparently means I have the most drop in the population. Also, If I'm the last of the boomers, why am I labeled "mid-boomer"?
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The Baby Boom is most often described as lasting from 1946 to 1964.
When I verified that I found this entry on Wikipedia:
Generation Jones- 1954-1965
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Jones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Jones)
First time I've seen that.
As to why our brains are melting faster than previous generations? I'll blame television.
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More television less reading (RKL beat me to it), divorce and cultural atomization, rich diets and less physical labor due to affluence are all probably just part of the picture.
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less physical labor
From what I've read, the biggest contributor to mental longevity is exercise.
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From what I've read, the biggest contributor to mental longevity is exercise.
Just from my very small sample of data, (my grandparents) I'd say the biggest contributor is doing crossword puzzles. Preferably in ink.
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The Baby Boom is most often described as lasting from 1946 to 1964.
When I verified that I found this entry on Wikipedia:
Generation Jones- 1954-1965
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Jones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Jones)
First time I've seen that.
Generation Jones. Yep, that be me.
My one grandpa went from Alzheimer's. Wasn't pretty.
As to why our brains are melting faster than previous generations? I'll blame television.
First gen with ubiquitous TV, on most of the time.
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https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/boomers-are-showing-worse-cognitive-decline-than-previous-generations/?fbclid=IwAR3Wt5O3Ed0PjRPs68WmJzwNrPm_2Z4zFiiLZkFkfGEV72KwuVqlrcEgx60
https://academic.oup.com/psychsocgerontology/article-abstract/doi/10.1093/geronb/gbaa107/5877935?redirectedFrom=fulltext
Baby boomers are showing a decline in cognitive function compared to other older age groups. Uh oh.
What is he talking about?
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I'm not experiencing any decline. I can still write computer catfish with the best of them.
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Just from my very small sample of data, (my grandparents) I'd say the biggest contributor is doing crossword puzzles. Preferably in ink.
Agreed.
My maternal grandparents hated the NY Times, but they always bought the Sunday Times -- for the crossword puzzle.
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My 93 year old dad does both physical and mental exercise. His feet have started giving him problems with support, so he's been walking with a cane or even walker for aerobic exercise just because he's afraid of falling down, but he does stretching and situps and stuff all the time, and though he is limited in the food he can eat now, he eats as healthy as his diet will allow.
To me, most importantly, is that he constantly exercises his mind. For the past several years, he has started the encyclopedias at "A", read through to "Z", then started over again. I've been in the habit for the last year of also sending him easy to read books on various history topics, which is an interest of his. Further, he sits down at least a few times a week and does math problems to, as he says, "keep his brain goin'. "
I am 100% certain it all has made a difference and warded off dementia.
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^ "Further, he sits down at least a few times a week and does math problems to, as he says, 'keep his brain goin'. '"
Where does he get the math problems?
Terry
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To sure about Bens dad but there are educational websites that you can print math worksheets off that go at least K-12.
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^ "Further, he sits down at least a few times a week and does math problems to, as he says, 'keep his brain goin'. '"
Where does he get the math problems?
Terry
He just makes them up. He doesn't do algebra or anything, just stuff like 15,432*2345 or whatever. Then just does each one a few times to make sure he got the right answer. He's never used a calculator in his life, all math by hand.
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^ "Further, he sits down at least a few times a week and does math problems to, as he says, 'keep his brain goin'. '"
Where does he get the math problems?
Terry
An easy way is to pick a random number and find its square root manually. It will require you do a long division problem for each digit of the root you break out.
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An easy way is to pick a random number and find its square root manually. It will require you do a long division problem for each digit of the root you break out.
Why, that's too easy. All you have to do is find the antilog of half the log of the number.
I thought maybe there was a site you could draw problems from.
Reminds me of my shame with a problem on the "Are you smarter than a fifth grader?" show I was watching.
Problem involved the meter length measurement. I got a crazy answer. Somehow I had it stuck in my puddin' head that a meter was six feet. :facepalm:
I guess I'd'a been correct if the problem was in fathoms. =D
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More television less reading (RKL beat me to it), divorce and cultural atomization, rich diets and less physical labor due to affluence are all probably just part of the picture.
And the drugs.
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And the drugs.
Shifting from fat/protein majority diet to starch and carb majority diet.
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My brain is certainly not near as sharp as it used to was! I can see the decline and it scares the carp outta me. It's not "bad" yet, but it IS noticeable. The dang shakes/twitches/tremors in my hands/arms are pretty unnerving as well.
"Golden Years", my @$$! :old:
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I thought maybe there was a site you could draw problems from.
There is: https://brilliant.org/
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Math problems? I couldn't do those when I was in high school. I got a C in geometry in 10th grade because the teacher said he'd give me a C instead of an F as long as I promised him I'd never take another math course as long as I lived. I did and he did.
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My brain is certainly not near as sharp as it used to was! I can see the decline and it scares the carp outta me. It's not "bad" yet, but it IS noticeable. The dang shakes/twitches/tremors in my hands/arms are pretty unnerving as well.
"Golden Years", my @$$! :old:
Same here, except for tremors. I'm having some trouble remembering names, especially prominent people like actors.... Humphrey... ummm....
They usually pop into my head a couple of minutes later if I quit struggling to remember them.
I had three concussions due to 2-wheel accidents on the right side of my head... speech centers... maybe that explains it.
Either that or there are simply too many names "up there" and it's just taking longer for them to percolate to the top when an access request is made.
Bogart.
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Double Post
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Are they or are studies like this part of message of “we need to do something to control the old people that remember freedom, oh wait let’s say they have more mental problems”
Call me suspicious but to me much of the medical community these days are just as in bed politically as the media. It’s not like they benefited from Obamacare or anything...
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boomhauer mused:
Are they or are studies like this part of message of “we need to do something to control the old people that remember freedom, oh wait let’s say they have more mental problems”
You're not the first to wonder about this. I remember the outrage at GCA 68 (I was 29yo), yet now many gun folks support most of it nowadays.
They probably never had the experience of going into a Colorado (for example) gun shop and buying a handgun, needing only a driver's license to prove Colorado residency.
And before that,when no ID at all was needed, where you could walk into any hardware store in any state and trade money for a firearm.
See, memories of that kind of situation have passed on.
That kind of "freedom" will never come again, since the "habit" of gun restrictions has taken over. "New normal" and all that BS.
"What, Terry, you mean you would allow even felons to own guns?"
Well, yeah. See, they were doing a pretty good job of eliminating other felons. Like the Valentine's Day massacre, which a lof of people think resulted in NFA34. The proper lesson there was not that guns cause violence, but that four bad guys wiped out seven other bad guys.
That's my kind of a Darwinian attitude toward criminals carrying guns... as you can see... as long as upright people get even odds and can also carry them without any (ahem, koff-koff) ...what's the word?
Oh. Yeah. "Infringements." Almost forgot. Gettin' old, y' know.
Terry, 230RN
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Are they or are studies like this part of message of “we need to do something to control the old people that remember freedom, oh wait let’s say they have more mental problems”
Call me suspicious but to me much of the medical community these days are just as in bed politically as the media. It’s not like they benefited from Obamacare or anything...
Well, if you read some (or most) of the comments, you'll find a lot of, "because the boomers ruined the world with their oil pollution, industrial chemicals, nukes, etc." posts. So if nothing else, there's certainly an environmental, SJW reaction to the study, whether the study was biased in that way or not.
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Related to the thread: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/technology/how-to-effectively-teach-a-boomer-to-zoom-from-3000-miles-away/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR22QNxQbCqn9EdcUrDRb8YbcWKeIMz9-ff26JbIXLxDg2Z9wTYebHZKMIQ#Echobox=1608877345
We in healthcare have run into this a lot, as so many of our visits in recent months have to be via telemedicine. Our nurse and medical assistant staff have gotten to be IT support experts in teaching people how to install, configure and use Zoom or other software.
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Related to the thread: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/technology/how-to-effectively-teach-a-boomer-to-zoom-from-3000-miles-away/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR22QNxQbCqn9EdcUrDRb8YbcWKeIMz9-ff26JbIXLxDg2Z9wTYebHZKMIQ#Echobox=1608877345
We in healthcare have run into this a lot, as so many of our visits in recent months have to be via telemedicine. Our nurse and medical assistant staff have gotten to be IT support experts in teaching people how to install, configure and use Zoom or other software.
I don’t know anything about Zoom because I’ve never used it but Microsoft Teams is what my company uses. Teams is extremely overcomplicated for what it needs to be. We have a large amount of people from late 30s-60s who none of them grew up using a computer and have needed very little from a computer in their professional life. My work is trying to get them to do everything on a computer from work orders, parts ordering, email of course, a customer update system (you know those automated text messages you get from a car dealer service Dept? That kind of system), online safety training, benefits management, submitting tickets for support to the OEM through a very overly complicated system, and now this *expletive deleted*ing Teams *expletive deleted*it. I struggle with some of it and I am by far the most computer literate person there so I am now the guy who gets them fixed because our worthless IT department doesn’t listen to anybody on their issues and thinks everything can be done remotely. Oh and then they want every password changed every 90 days and I have to get everybody’s password changed when it expires and they lock themselves out because they don’t understand that.
I can’t turn a goddamn bolt without getting called to fix something or show somebody how to do something.
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We use Teams also.
It really is a pretty crappy product.
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Related to the thread: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/technology/how-to-effectively-teach-a-boomer-to-zoom-from-3000-miles-away/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR22QNxQbCqn9EdcUrDRb8YbcWKeIMz9-ff26JbIXLxDg2Z9wTYebHZKMIQ#Echobox=1608877345
We in healthcare have run into this a lot, as so many of our visits in recent months have to be via telemedicine. Our nurse and medical assistant staff have gotten to be IT support experts in teaching people how to install, configure and use Zoom or other software.
Tangentially related to the link (and trying to get boomers off the hook), Apple users have been hounding me to "get facetime so we can video chat!". I have to explain to them that Apple only makes facetime available to apple users, and if they want to video chat with me, they should install Google Duo or else some other video chat program that both our platforms can use. I am dealing with 30 and 40something Apple users who can't figure out how to install and use the non-Apple product. It's like I'm asking them to defuse a bomb.
I ran into this kind of stuff a lot at work. I was one of the oldest guys in the office, so the instagrams and the twitters were things I didn't know my way around internally because I had no interest in them. Yet many of the younger people couldn't figure out how to start and use gotomeeting without me actually standing next to them and walking them through it.
So some of it isn't necessarily age and the "grandpa can't figure out how to get the 12:00 to stop blinking on the VCR." It's somewhat being insulated within the technology. I suppose an analogy might be the 25 year old male that can run circles around me regarding the infotainment center in a 2020 car, but if the battery dies, doesn't know how to hook up the jumper cables to get the infotainment center running again.
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Tangentially related to the link (and trying to get boomers off the hook), Apple users have been hounding me to "get facetime so we can video chat!". I have to explain to them that Apple only makes facetime available to apple users, and if they want to video chat with me, they should install Google Duo or else some other video chat program that both our platforms can use. I am dealing with 30 and 40something Apple users who can't figure out how to install and use the non-Apple product. It's like I'm asking them to defuse a bomb.
I ran into this kind of stuff a lot at work. I was one of the oldest guys in the office, so the instagrams and the twitters were things I didn't know my way around internally because I had no interest in them. Yet many of the younger people couldn't figure out how to start and use gotomeeting without me actually standing next to them and walking them through it.
So some of it isn't necessarily age and the "grandpa can't figure out how to get the 12:00 to stop blinking on the VCR." It's somewhat being insulated within the technology. I suppose an analogy might be the 25 year old male that can run circles around me regarding the infotainment center in a 2020 car, but if the battery dies, doesn't know how to hook up the jumper cables to get the infotainment center running again.
I've survived in the field almost 30 years. And grew up when there wasn't any of this stuff. I'm definitely "Generation Jones". I'm always running into people doing things with their computers that I absolutely don't see the point of doing. Partly I've seen a lot of latest greatest things come and go. (Do you have any idea how many times tablet pcs were the next big thing, before someone finally made it work well?)
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Our company uses Google apps. Google Meet is easy to use at the basic level, but people get messed up with speakers and microphones and mute buttons. Most of the people around here work with their hands and have varying levels of comfort with computers. However, most all of our company apps and such have been online for a while now so most of us are used to it.
Our IT group is similar to Boomhauer's. It is all 3rd party and remote. They do not have field people outside corporate. It is dang near an Act of God to get someone to come to the site. We were able to do that about 5 years back when our external internet to the site was down for 3 months. We got someone on site in the 3rd month who helped fix the issue after a couple meetings which included the head of our IT group.
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I've survived in the field almost 30 years. And grew up when there wasn't any of this stuff. I'm definitely "Generation Jones". I'm always running into people doing things with their computers that I absolutely don't see the point of doing. Partly I've seen a lot of latest greatest things come and go. (Do you have any idea how many times tablet pcs were the next big thing, before someone finally made it work well?)
We are supposed to be getting tablets for the operators to use in the field for rounds and procedure sign-off (class 1, div 2 electrically classified area). It was delayed. They are still working on it.
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We are supposed to be getting tablets for the operators to use in the field for rounds and procedure sign-off (class 1, div 2 electrically classified area). It was delayed. They are still working on it.
I can remember at least a couple different tablet-ish things in the early 90s, that were the Next Big Thing according to the trade rags. Dos based or Win 3.1 based. Then Apple's Newton. Then Palm made something that, while quirky and limited by today's standard, folks found actually useful.
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My company was big on iPads, still are to some extent.
We were issued iPads and had a bunch of apps that were intended to make us more "mobile" .
They all had cellular plans which was good because we generally don't have wifi in our offices.
After about a year of use I had finally gotten to where I was starting to like he damned thing and along with my co-workers were finding it actually useful and a help on the job.
Corporate decided we didn't need them..
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We still use I Pad Minis hooked up to our intranet for some specific jobs.