Post by: Eleven Mike on March 19, 2007, 10:08:14 AM
Or is it all three?
Post by: Manedwolf on March 19, 2007, 10:15:18 AM
I care that he's a lying hypocrite, a total leftist who just bought a new Reagan hat and thinks he's fooling anybody.
Post by: BrokenPaw on March 19, 2007, 10:16:56 AM
I'd rather have an honest president who disagreed with me on some issues, than a dishonest one who told me he agreed with me on everything.
-BP
Post by: RocketMan on March 19, 2007, 10:18:57 AM
However, his seeming inability to research basic things about his target audience causes concern. Witness his address to some in Miami's Cuban community last week where he said, "Patria o muerte, venceremos!" to close. It is a slogan used by Castro for decades at the end of his speeches, meaning, "Fatherland or death, we shall overcome."
Romney apparently meant to say something else. Careless, if you ask me.
Post by: mtnbkr on March 19, 2007, 10:20:09 AM
I went to a Baptist college that happened to have a fairly large Mormon community. The Mormons were among the more principled of the student body.
Chris
Post by: K Frame on March 19, 2007, 10:20:57 AM
Campaign of 1960 there were huge numbers of people who said they would never vote for John Kennedy because he would be more beholden to the Pope than to the US Constitution.
Post by: Matthew Carberry on March 19, 2007, 10:26:12 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 19, 2007, 10:31:25 AM
On a related note, Thompson is getting some attention from radio talk hosts. This is a good sign.
Post by: charby on March 19, 2007, 10:35:47 AM
Post by: Marnoot on March 19, 2007, 10:37:44 AM
Post by: BakerMikeRomeo on March 19, 2007, 10:43:35 AM
I dan't care what he believes. Actually, I'd prefer a Mormon president: confusion to our enemies!
~GnSx
Post by: Car Knocker on March 19, 2007, 10:59:56 AM
As for Romney, his religion isn't an issue for me but I believe his political views expouse whatever he thinks will get him nominated and elected.
Post by: Racehorse on March 19, 2007, 11:09:19 AM
As a non-Mormon living in Salt Lake City, I would have to say that the Mormon church, like any other religious group, has some members that live up to the tenents of their faith, some who don't and some who observe those principles that are convenient. I recall reading several years ago in the newspaper that the state prison religious demographics closely mirror those of the state population.
As a Mormon living in Salt Lake City, I would have to say that that's entirely accurate.
Post by: Manedwolf on March 19, 2007, 11:46:14 AM
As a non-Mormon living in Salt Lake City, I would have to say that the Mormon church, like any other religious group, has some members that live up to the tenents of their faith, some who don't and some who observe those principles that are convenient. I recall reading several years ago in the newspaper that the state prison religious demographics closely mirror those of the state population.
As for Romney, his religion isn't an issue for me but I believe his political views expouse whatever he thinks will get him nominated and elected.
As for Romney, his religion isn't an issue for me but I believe his political views expouse whatever he thinks will get him nominated and elected.
Though I still wonder at religions that have a headquarters that looks like this:
Mormon headquarters, Salt Lake City
Post by: HankB on March 19, 2007, 11:47:40 AM
Some are fine folks, some are not so fine folks.
Just people.
So Romney's Mormonism is a non-issue, as far as I'm concerned. But like the other front-running GOP candidates, I have to ask myself . . . would this clown be any better than (barf, gag) Hillary?
Post by: Car Knocker on March 19, 2007, 11:52:28 AM
Though I still wonder at religions that have a headquarters that looks like this:
Mormon headquarters, Salt Lake City
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Why?
Post by: Marnoot on March 19, 2007, 11:55:56 AM
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Though I still wonder at religions that have a headquarters that looks like this
What are our administrative headquarters supposed to look like? It looks like an office building because that's what it is. It's full of offices to manage all the administrative, charitable, and other affairs of the church.Quote from: Car Knocker
I believe his political views expouse whatever he thinks will get him nominated and elected.
That's what sours me towards him. Unless his campaign can convince me otherwise, that's the sense that will stay with me.
Post by: Manedwolf on March 19, 2007, 11:59:15 AM
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Though I still wonder at religions that have a headquarters that looks like this
What are our administrative headquarters supposed to look like? It looks like an office building because that's what it is. It's full of offices to manage all the administrative, charitable, and other affairs of the church.Something other than a soul-less postmodern block of horrendous blandness! Religions are supposed to make people look up in wonder, a la cathedrals, not look up and go "yuck".
It was an architectural criticism.
Post by: Ron on March 19, 2007, 12:03:22 PM
From what i have heard he hasn't taken enough of his religion to heart, oh well.
I'm with carebear, Fred Thompson for president.
Post by: BrokenPaw on March 19, 2007, 12:06:58 PM
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Something other than a soul-less postmodern block of horrendous blandness!
Does their temple in Maryland make up for it?
When I was a kid, I thought it was a castle.
-BP
Post by: Marnoot on March 19, 2007, 12:11:52 PM
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It was an architectural criticism.
Oh, we're in a agreement on the architecture of that building 
, but it's a functional form for an administrative building.Quote from: Manedwolf
Religions are supposed to make people look up in wonder, a la cathedrals, not look up and go "yuck".
The headquarters isn't a center of the church in that sense. Our temples serve more that function, as BrokenPaw mentioned.
Post by: Standing Wolf on March 19, 2007, 12:36:33 PM
Post by: Eleven Mike on March 19, 2007, 12:50:25 PM
Is it the Christian Right that is uncomfortable with it, or is it the secular left?
Post by: roo_ster on March 19, 2007, 01:22:42 PM
I think it is liklely the same folks who don't like conservative Christians don't like the idea of a Mormon prez.
Post by: Ron on March 19, 2007, 01:24:49 PM
He hasn't passed the smell test. The one thing you can count on a flip flopper to do is flip flop.
Post by: Leatherneck on March 19, 2007, 02:31:31 PM
His politics do. Coming from Massachussetts (my birth-state, although I've washed, lathered, rinsed, repeated many times in 50 years) he's about as conservative as Giulliani or Mccain.
No dice
TC
Post by: Lee on March 19, 2007, 02:39:52 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 19, 2007, 02:43:45 PM
Post by: Strings on March 19, 2007, 03:02:27 PM
Did you get behind your ears, too?
I don't care WHAT someone worships, so long as they'll actually be a good leader for the country. I really don't think we've had one of those in a while (Reagan was good, but not the best)...
Post by: Bigjake on March 19, 2007, 05:20:38 PM
religion doesn't mean a hoot to me, unless the candidate in question happens to be Islamic. No way in hell would I support that. He could be a testube genetic match to Thomas Jefferson, no dice.
I think a Jewish president would be really entertaining. Piss the rags off even more. And, if you hold any stock in Revelation, being buddy buddy with the Izzys is never a negative thing. Revelation says they will make a comeback, and history has recorded that anyone who screws with them looses.
back to topic, Mormons are ok by me, just so long as they aint socialist, commie weasles
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 19, 2007, 05:30:29 PM
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history has recorded that anyone who screws with them looses.
The Jews? Are you sure about that?
Anyhoo, it pains me to agree with you about the Muslim president issue, but I do. I can't quite explain why.
Post by: Bigjake on March 19, 2007, 05:40:33 PM
Babylon, Eygpt, the list goes on. It may not be instant karma, but it seems that any nation that has messed with the Jews throughout history, comes up second best eventually.
Post by: Manedwolf on March 20, 2007, 04:10:02 AM
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history has recorded that anyone who screws with them looses.
The Jews? Are you sure about that?
Anyhoo, it pains me to agree with you about the Muslim president issue, but I do. I can't quite explain why.
Because there's a deep-seated precedent of absolutely no provision for separation of religion and state.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 20, 2007, 04:39:16 AM
But what if the Republican Party nominated and elected a Muslim with political views that most of us APSers agreed with? What if he was more committed to ending terrorism than Bush? Still, I wonder about the message that sends to Islamists and potential Islamists. Would that encourage the jihadis by communicating that we are ready for Muslim rule? Would it make us just another Islamic state run by an apostate Muslim, in need of liberation into true Islam (sharia, etc.)? Like Saudi Arabia, et al? Would they consider us like Spain - Muslim territory in need of reconquering?
Post by: richyoung on March 20, 2007, 04:42:39 AM
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Post by: MechAg94 on March 20, 2007, 05:55:05 AM
Regarding the comment above about not electing Catholics for such a long time, back when the country was founded the history of the Catholic Church's political dealings and religious intolerance was a bit more recent and fresher in people's minds. True Religious Freedom was a new thing. Many of the Christians who came to American were victims of intolerance or their ancestor's were.
One question I was thinking of: How many Catholics were in America before the immigration in the late 1800's and later?
One other thought: The comments about know Mormons who are good people, I think that was the primary reason that my pastor always taught that the first step in witnessing to non-Christians was to walk the walk and lead a Christian life. When people see you leading a happy and good life, they are much more receptive to an evangelical message. Leading by example.
Post by: MechAg94 on March 20, 2007, 05:59:23 AM
As opposed to a Where Wolf.
Post by: Manedwolf on March 20, 2007, 07:06:07 AM
I carry a handgin designed by a Morman
Handgin?
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 20, 2007, 07:52:05 AM
Post by: richyoung on March 20, 2007, 08:05:05 AM
Post by: Racehorse on March 20, 2007, 10:12:32 AM
A Morman, eh? So Mrs. Browning was a Morwoman?
Ummm...not to nitpick, but the correct terminology would be Merman and Mermaid.
Thank you.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 20, 2007, 12:03:40 PM
Post by: stevelyn on March 20, 2007, 12:54:12 PM
I would have a big problem with an east-coast, elitist, leftist puke like Mitt who just happens to be LDS, being president.
Ron Paul has my vote and support. I'll figure out plan B when script plays itself out.
Post by: Leatherneck on March 20, 2007, 01:33:14 PM
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Anyhoo, it pains me to agree with you about the Muslim president issue, but I do. I can't quite explain why.
Could it have anything to do with the fact that fellow Americans and the few remaining friends we have in this world are having to guard against muslims trying to kill us because of who we are/what we believe, around the world?I'd actually like to see religion off the table for who leads the USA.
TC
Post by: thebaldguy on March 20, 2007, 03:15:33 PM
link
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/02/black_president_more_likely_than_mormon_or_atheist_/
Post by: Waitone on March 20, 2007, 03:24:19 PM
Post by: cosine on March 20, 2007, 07:03:19 PM
Well I'm rightwing, Protestant and I was looking forward to supporting him if he was a true conservative.
He hasn't passed the smell test. The one thing you can count on a flip flopper to do is flip flop.
He hasn't passed the smell test. The one thing you can count on a flip flopper to do is flip flop.
Replace "Protestant" with "Catholic" and you've got my opinion.