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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Nick1911 on December 15, 2021, 11:32:38 AM
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We're getting some pretty significant wind here in the Midwest. Gusts in the Kansas City area are forecaster to hit 55mph today. Further out in Kansas, Colorado, and up in Iowa I'm hearing 70+ mph winds are forecasted. Wildfire risk in Colorado is severe.
Yea yea, I know this is normalish for you folks down in hurricane-land, but it's significant for here. Our trees and structures aren't often subjected to this kind of loading.
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Yep, I'm wondering if I'll be getting a new roof. I'm in the 70-80 mph wind warning area. I've already moved any loose items in the yard into the 3 season porch.
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xyzbob is in the severe area too.
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Yep, they are predicting gusts in excess of 65mph here. (from the west, I think) Not quite hurricane strength, I think that's called "severe storm". It's more than a gale
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We're battening down as well. And planning for loss of power.
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Yep, they are predicting gusts in excess of 65mph here. (from the west, I think) Not quite hurricane strength, I think that's called "severe storm". It's more than a gale
Check again, 70-80mph for Rochester area, coming from southwesterly direction.
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Check again, 70-80mph for Rochester area, coming from southwesterly direction.
Oh, *expletive deleted*it, they've upgraded it. My roof should be okay, but I better bring everything in that's still outside. (metal snow shovel would make an awful missile. etc) I have lots of flashlights and lot and *lots* of batteries charged for them. Kerosene for the emergency heater... Hope I can sleep without a CPAP for a night or two. I also should bring the kerosene in the house in case the garage blows down
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West, 80mph gusts predicted for here near Golden CO. There's a dying/dead pine tree to the west outside my apartment bedroom window I'm concerned about. I thought they'd have taken it down before this. If it comes down, there's no doubt it'll crunch my bedroom. But then again, I've always been a worrywart about shitty weather.
I'm deciding whether I want to go run errands today or stay around the house just in case.
Current for when you click on it. Peak just around noon local (MST) time:
https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=39.7836&lon=-105.1675&unit=0&lg=english&FcstType=graphical
Terry
ETA I wish to hell people would at least give an approximate idea of where "here" is. I know, click on their handles and sometimes they'll say, and sometimes they're known by past associations and they're in your coterie and sometimes you can get a general idea from their local time, but boy, I sure wish to hell people would at least give an approximate idea of where "here" is.
Run-on sentence, but...
Yeah, it's windier than crap "here."
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Yep, I'm wondering if I'll be getting a new roof. I'm in the 70-80 mph wind warning area. I've already moved any loose items in the yard into the 3 season porch.
Better move the 3 season porch into the house.
We had a significant wind even like that here in DC metro maybe 3 years ago?
JamisJockey said there were wind gusts of 90+ MPH registered at the airport, and we had most of the day of sustained winds over 30 mph and many gusts over 60 mph, IIRC.
I lost a bunch of shingles on my roof, but a house on the other end of the community, which was facing right into the wind, lost maybe 40% of their shingles on the side facing the wind and about 15% on the reverse side.
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I'm in Rochester, MN. (Charby knows that even tho' we've never met IRL) I thought my profile said "S.E. Minnesota" and that was carried forward to all my posts, but that must be on other forums. "Sorry about that, Chief".
(it's not obvious from this message but I agree with Terry. Now it's obvious)
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We had our wind event here* yesterday.
We had a few gusts up into the 40mph range but really wasn't as bad as was predicted.
I had some friends visiting from there* and on the drive home they said they were beat to death by the wind. Later when watching the news they* said 60mph gusts down around Bullhead City. When the friends got home* they had 35-40 mph winds. What we got here* was temps below freezing and a dusting of snow. The main road from Las Vegas to here* was shut down several times due to snow near the summit*
Today is calm and just cold with snow on all of the mountains around the valley*
bob
* here = Wonderful Pahrump, Nevada
* there = Near Quartzsite, Arizona
* they = local Las Vegas weather guesser
* home = Salome, Arizona
* summit = Mountain Springs Summit @ 5502 ft
*valley = Pahrump Valley
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ETA I wish to hell people would at least give an approximate idea of where "here" is. I know, click on their handles and sometimes they'll say, and sometimes they're known by past associations and they're in your coterie and sometimes you can get a general idea from their local time, but boy, I sure wish to hell people would at least give an approximate idea of where "here" is.
Which I did, in no small part because I'm aware not doing so annoys you. ;)
ETA: And I don't disagree. If we're talking about something location specific, you lose a lot of meaning by not including the location.
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All those in favor of continuing to piss of Terry?
AYE!
:rofl:
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All those in favor of continuing to piss of Terry?
AYE!
:rofl:
I'm good with that from over thisaway here. =)
Nick- Do you know what the building codes for wind loads are in your area? We can get some pretty good winds here. I think the highest I've recorded on my WX station was around 60mph, with 50mph gusts very common certain times of the year. Codes here call for roofs to take something like a 110mph wind.
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AYE!
Motion passes. We will meet up at that one place and then proceed to the other location whereupon we will commence Operation Terryrism.
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Nick- Do you know what the building codes for wind loads are in your area? We can get some pretty good winds here. I think the highest I've recorded on my WX station was around 60mph, with 50mph gusts very common certain times of the year. Codes here call for roofs to take something like a 110mph wind.
I do not know that, but it's a good question.
I did once attend a storm spotter session put on by meteorologists down in Pleasant Hill, MO. In part of the presentation, he noted that in severe storms, garage doors will often cave in at around 70-80 mph, after which a tremendous pressure against the underside of the roof will often cause failure.
Motion passes. We will meet up at that one place and then proceed to the other location whereupon we will commence Operation Terryrism.
Can we burn some floppy disks at the meeting, and blame it all on the member formerly known as fistful?
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If I got 40mph wind for any amount of time, let alone the 50-90mph y’all are discussing I’d have very few standing trees left.
This reminds me, I need to replace the gas line on my generator.
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I do not know that, but it's a good question.
I did once attend a storm spotter session put on by meteorologists down in Pleasant Hill, MO. In part of the presentation, he noted that in severe storms, garage doors will often cave in at around 70-80 mph, after which a tremendous pressure against the underside of the roof will often cause failure.
Can we burn some floppy disks at the meeting, and blame it all on the member formerly known as fistful?
When they were developing Table Mesa subdivision, they just kind of oriented homes randomly according to whim and sometimes solar energy acquisition.
What they forgot was that Table Mesa was right under a wind funnel from the mountains and subject to occasional 100mph+ winds when the jet stream was just right.
First time that happened, all the homes with the garage doors facing west blew open and essentially destroyed the houses.
Fortunately, the first time this happened, the subdivision was just starting up. After that, they always arranged things so the garage doors faced east, and if you're looking for that kind of thing, it's pretty obvious that there are darned few garages on the west sides of the homes.
I don't know this part of it by first-hand knowledge but I understand they even had to change a few of the platted streets to accomplish the change in the buildings' orientations.
Oh. Table Mesa is on the south side of Boulder CO, where I lived for over twenty almost thirty years. On the CB radio Circuit Boulder was known as "the windy city," just as Longmont was known as "Longtown."
That was the "here" then. The "here" now is near Golden Colorado. Where Coors is brewed, which ought to pin the locale down pretty good.
And thanks for the few brave comments of heroic support on my "where the hell is 'here'?" rant. We need more real men like you. =D
Terrible Terry, 230RN
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I'll let you guys know if I find any of your photos, checks, documents here.
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We can support it and still ridicule you at the same time, you know. :rofl: We're multitalented like that.
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60 mpg gusts covering the Texas panhandle with several experiencing gusts well north of that. One station saw 90 mph earlier today.
http://rain.ttu.edu/tech/1-output/current.php
Brad
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Oh, *expletive deleted*it, they've upgraded it. My roof should be okay, but I better bring everything in that's still outside. (metal snow shovel would make an awful missile. etc) I have lots of flashlights and lot and *lots* of batteries charged for them. Kerosene for the emergency heater... Hope I can sleep without a CPAP for a night or two. I also should bring the kerosene in the house in case the garage blows down
Tornado watch now too. (hopefully doesn't turn into a warning)
I grabbed 5 gallons of gasoline for the generator over lunch. I have at least 31# of propane on hand for the buddy heater if I really need it.
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Better move the 3 season porch into the house.
Naw, bringing it into the enclosed room means insurance will replace it if decides to blow to Minnesota.
3 season porch is southern Iowan for 3 season room.
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here is a current wind map of Iowa if anyone want to see the wind develop
https://www.usairnet.com/weather/maps/current/iowa/wind-speed/
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There's also this one if you want to see what's going on everywhere:
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/700hPa/winkel3=-106.45,39.59,696
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There's also this one if you want to see what's going on everywhere:
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/700hPa/winkel3=-106.45,39.59,696
That's interesting. Looks like there are multiple systems converging in about Oklahoma or maybe Kansas right now.
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There's also this one if you want to see what's going on everywhere:
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/700hPa/winkel3=-106.45,39.59,696
I like that one. It looks like around 33,000 feet (around 34K) is the sweet spot for flying west to east today. Not so much the other way.
https://www.aviationweather.gov/windtemp
bob
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That's interesting. Looks like there are multiple systems converging in about Oklahoma or maybe Kansas right now.
For those that haven't found it, there's the clicky thing in the lower left where you can adjust for altitude. just figure hPa is the same as mbar and use this to get altitude:
https://www.boqueteweather.com/millibars_altitude.htm
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Getting word from peeps in the Texas panhandle that it's bad. Lots of fires breaking out, fire fronts advancing faster than some of the older fire trucks can even drive. Multiple houses already lost in Pampa, TX. Evacuation orders issued for Guymon, OK. Several major roads closed due to smoke or blowing dust.
*edit to add*
And a snow squall in Colorado Springs.
https://fb.watch/9W4ASjvTeP/
Brad
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radar is wild too
https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/iowa/weather-radar
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Starting to look similar to the 2020 derecho, I hope not, because that is a whole lot of suck.
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Driving home from a furnace install there were shingles all over the road and a carport got relocated to a back yard. No trees down here yet but it is a blowing.
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We're getting some pretty significant wind here in the Midwest. Gusts in the Kansas City area are forecaster to hit 55mph today. Further out in Kansas, Colorado, and up in Iowa I'm hearing 70+ mph winds are forecasted. Wildfire risk in Colorado is severe.
Yea yea, I know this is normalish for you folks down in hurricane-land, but it's significant for here. Our trees and structures aren't often subjected to this kind of loading.
Tornado warnings watch here (NWIL), through the evening until 11. Sounds a bit breezy outside.
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Tornado warnings here (NWIL), through the evening until 11. Sounds a bit breezy outside.
That's a really long time for a t-warning. Are you sure it's not a watch? Those can last for hours.
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Winds are still strong here. There's an incredible amount of dust in the air. I still have power and hope it lasts, but 166k folks in KC are down. Our power company notes: "We are experiencing a high number of outages related to extreme wind. Restoration times are unavailable at this time due to the extent of the storms. Expect delayed restoration times."
I've lost some branches. I'll have to do some yard cleanup - if that's the worst of it, I'm happy.
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The rain hitting me sitting 10 feet from the south window woke me up. It's starting to cool off and the wind is dyeing down.
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I'm betting I'll have at least one guy in the store tomorrow, looking at the "car wash" aisle, asking what he can use to fix a big dent...
"What do you mean I can't just rub something on?"
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That's a really long time for a t-warning. Are you sure it's not a watch? Those can last for hours.
You are correct. Fixed.
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83 mph gusts here, power lines down in town. Big cottonwood in my backyard snapped off mid trunk and in my pond. I'll check my roof in the AM.
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SE Minnesota (a.k.a. here) is under a tornado watch until 23:00. Then a high wind warning until 06:00 tomorrow. We've had one band move through; lightning and a brief hard rain but no other drama yet. It's calm right now but stormy-looking.
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83 mph gusts here, power lines down in town. Big cottonwood in my backyard snapped off mid trunk and in my pond. I'll check my roof in the AM.
Ahh, that sucks. Sounds like a lot of work.
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We're under a sever thunderstorm watch here in NE Oklahoma.
Had some strong winds earlier today but 45-50 mph were the worst we saw.
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SE Minnesota (a.k.a. here) is under a tornado watch until 23:00. Then a high wind warning until 06:00 tomorrow. We've had one band move through; lightning and a brief hard rain but no other drama yet. It's calm right now but stormy-looking.
Map I saw on the book of faces showed a watch area going from NWIL (aka "down where I is") to up past Minneapolis.
Lights flickered a bit earlier.
I suspect the guys in the wifi side (http://www.jcwifi.com) will be scrambling tomorrow.
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It is still dark so I haven't been outside yet to look around, but we never lost power last night, and if there was a storm I slept through it.
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Looks like there is no power in my town. Glad I'm outside of town on a different power company.
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Got an e-mail in to see how my friends made out. They live in the outskirts of Cedar Rapids.
They lost some fence panels and tree limbs to the Derecho last year, and had their cars pretty beaten about, but nothing catastrophic.
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I like that one. It looks like around 33,000 feet (around 34K) is the sweet spot for flying west to east today. Not so much the other way.
https://www.aviationweather.gov/windtemp
bob
Yep. 6:20 BOS-SFO today. Last week was 6:40.
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It is still dark so I haven't been outside yet to look around, but we never lost power last night, and if there was a storm I slept through it.
Likewise. My shop computer had rebooted itself, otherwise nothing much.
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Friends in Cedar Rapids metro said the worst of it missed them. They got some rain and some gusts of about 40 mph but nothing serious.
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Lots of weather stations in the path were kia last night too.
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We lost power for a few hours this morning, along with many thousands of other people in the area. A tree in our yard was also brought down. It was a tree I've been wanting to take down for years. I hadn't because it was tall enough that I'd have to top it, which I wasn't willing (or felt able) to do. The wind broke it at just the right height to avoid hitting the road or any buildings. Then, apparently, someone complained about it and the town sent someone out to take it the rest of the way down. So everything was taken care of with zero effort on my part. I'm hoping someone complains that our house has to be painted so the town can send someone out to do that too. :rofl:
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We're in Pueblo CO, about 100 miles south of 230RN.
We had sustained winds of over 50 MPH all day, with a high recorded gust of 89 MPH at the airport, which is about 3 miles northwest of us. We had one small cottonwood blow down about 250 yards north of the house. It's across the neighbor's fence, but shouldn't take more than an hour to clean up and repair the fence. Probably lost a few trees on the river bottom too, but all they can damage down there are fences. (the 2002-03 drought killed multiple cottonwoods, and a one or two blow down every time we get wind.)
Lots of "sleeping" semis lined I-25 yesterday, and one person videoed one standing on the side of the road just as it went over. Lots of trees and power poles blown down in town, but we haven't gone anywhere to see them.
Our power never went out, but it also stayed on during the 1997 blizzard, which was worse than this.
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Our power never went out, but it also stayed on during the 1997 blizzard, which was worse than this.
I've been pretty impressed with the power company here. I've only had it go out once during a wind event and Idaho Power had it back on within a couple of hours. Plus it was at night so I only knew about it because their text message telling me the power was out woke me up. :laugh:
There must be some standard for power infrastructure in places prone to wind. I dealt with a lot less wind in CA and had power go out all the time if something over 30mph kicked up.
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Passing through town today I saw my late friends welding shop had lost the whole east wall. A very large brick building that the currant owner was in the middle of a roof replacement. With no roof to hold it together and no rear door the wind just built up inside until it found a way out.
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There must be some standard for power infrastructure in places prone to wind. I dealt with a lot less wind in CA and had power go out all the time if something over 30mph kicked up.
As the use of electric cars increases, imagine the load on the infrastructure when everyone "tops off" their "tank" at the same time when there's a storm warning.
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National Weather Service has confirmed 19 tornadoes in north central Iowa and south central Minnesota. EF0 and EF1 in terms of strength.
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There must be some standard for power infrastructure in places prone to wind. I dealt with a lot less wind in CA and had power go out all the time if something over 30mph kicked up.
I'm on the east coast. Not Floriduh, but we get some hurricanes every couple or three years. The standard for power infrastructure is to tell us that their crews are ready and standing by ... and then to wait until half the state is out of power before calling in the troops from other states to fix the downed lines. The two major power companies serving the state have spent beaucoup bucks on tree removal along their lines -- and it seems to have made things worse instead of better.
When I was younger, a power outage was usually repaired within a few hours (unless it was a major disaster). Now? I pretty much figure that any outage will be two to three days, and for a major storm I plan on no power for a week.
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Us rubes out here hillbilly land have it rough.
In the 26 years I've lived at my house I can count the number of extended, (at least six hours) power outages on one hand the number of multiple day outages on one finger.
In January 2007 we had a major ice storm blow through. We lost power on a Monday morning before 8:00 AM and it was restored midday the following Saturday.